Jetstar

[flyboynath]

I accept your point of view Overhere, although, you seem to be using the term "undermining" rather loosely. On one hand there are people arguing that Jetstar has created jobs that otherwise would not have existed, on the other, there are people who claim that by accepting the conditions, all crew will suffer in the long term by lowering the bar. I believe both of these arguments have merits.

I think there should be room for negotiation and I do not support AWA's or the current govt. We could all look backwards, scratch our heads and ask "why?" or point the finger at each other. Because, for some reason those who do accept those conditions are expected to decline a job offer - incase they are undermining those who have worked hard over the years to secure the very conditions being eroded. But who is undermining who? It has been stated by many people before me in other threads that we are all playing into GD's hands. We cannot possibly ignore that, there is definately a "them/us" mentality between every base, every division and now every group.... the battle is being lost, not because someone decided to accept a job at a lower condition, but because we are not united.

The conditions being offered are not necessarily ideal, but they fall within the legal boundaries on all accounts. The way I see it (and this is my view, not asking you to adopt it), if it becomes too much for Jetstar, they will expand off shore and more jobs will be lost overseas.

Furthermore, I certainly was not critisising anyone, I support the prospect of improving conditions for everyone, beit AUS, AKL, LHR or BKK. But while we scrap over issues like this, we take two more steps back.

As for telling me to do some research, I made it very clear in my post which information was directed where. And, who sets the industry standards out of curiosity? Is it Qantas who regulates the "industry standards"? There is a clear difference between standards and benchmarks.

I am not critisising anyone who is employed by mainline, and I'm not encouraging anyone to undermine anyone else. I was merely trying to show these new comers it is not all bad, not all good (I've acknowledged that), but not all bad.

Thanks Leane7, I'm not going to cry poor me over anything that has happened. It's what happens onboard that counts more to me to an extent, especially when we are all together for long periods of time. But, lets just say we have common ground, things are getting better and to an extent we are in a very stable position now. It can be difficult to seperate emotion from the reality sometimes, but it's important we try. As for the shared hotel rooms, I have heard the same thing, but I don't know if there is any truth to it. I would like to assume it is false, but I'll reserve judgement on that.