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..........not happy Jann!
Firstly Spunkstar.....re: MEL S/H flying.
Easy answer..........MEL-SYD-MEL-SYD-MEL-SYD-MEL-SYD-MEL.....that just about does it.......exciting eh!!!!!
Speaking of the MEL base.
GOOD NEWS for those ex PER long haulers wanting to get back to the state where real estate prices jumped by 45% last year. They are able to transfer back to PER S/H.
Obviously this WAS initially offered to them when the Base was closed down....BUT they thought the "grass was greener" on the East coast !!!!!
Another rumour from someone in the know -Geoff was NOT HAPPY about the ACCC draft ruling again denying a tie up with our Kiwi cousins-Air NZ. Word is -QF have spent more than $8m in legal bills trying to grease it thru.
So thats it !!!
Dixon apparently is now going to plan #B. That is, a commercial tie up with..............wait for it.................SQ!!!!!!!!!!!
Air NZ apparently will be signing up a new deal with Virgin/Pacific Blue for their domestic feed.
Interesting to see how it all pans out...... now that Jet* are spreading all over SE Asia/ Japan/Asia and soon to be the world!!!
Easy answer..........MEL-SYD-MEL-SYD-MEL-SYD-MEL-SYD-MEL.....that just about does it.......exciting eh!!!!!
Speaking of the MEL base.
GOOD NEWS for those ex PER long haulers wanting to get back to the state where real estate prices jumped by 45% last year. They are able to transfer back to PER S/H.
Obviously this WAS initially offered to them when the Base was closed down....BUT they thought the "grass was greener" on the East coast !!!!!
Another rumour from someone in the know -Geoff was NOT HAPPY about the ACCC draft ruling again denying a tie up with our Kiwi cousins-Air NZ. Word is -QF have spent more than $8m in legal bills trying to grease it thru.
So thats it !!!
Dixon apparently is now going to plan #B. That is, a commercial tie up with..............wait for it.................SQ!!!!!!!!!!!
Air NZ apparently will be signing up a new deal with Virgin/Pacific Blue for their domestic feed.
Interesting to see how it all pans out...... now that Jet* are spreading all over SE Asia/ Japan/Asia and soon to be the world!!!
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Max overnites: 14
Hotel requirements for month :
ADL 654, AKL 267, BNE 133, BOM 6, CBR 304, CGK 225, CNS 225, DRW 363, HBA 132, HKG 27, OOL 81, PER 414, SIN 125, SYD 203, TSV 131
Sounds alright to me!
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Hmm, so the mJORITY OF MELB SH tris are just to sydney and back? can u give me an aproximATE NUMBER OF OVERNITES I COULD EXPECT and also LET ME KNOW WHAT THE CITIES THEY OVERNITE IN MORE OFTEN ARE?
Also, anyone that is A MAMER, could you pm me so we can have a chat?
thanks very much for ur help
Also, anyone that is A MAMER, could you pm me so we can have a chat?
thanks very much for ur help
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As a MAMer it will be very difficult to say how many trips etc you will get.
I know in the SYD base alot of them are just doing MEL returns this month - if your a language speaker and you hold an aussie passport then you will prob do some regionals.
Really hard to say as you dont get to bid for any trips - you just get what the allocate you.
A good idea would be to start sleeping with someone in crewing.
I know in the SYD base alot of them are just doing MEL returns this month - if your a language speaker and you hold an aussie passport then you will prob do some regionals.
Really hard to say as you dont get to bid for any trips - you just get what the allocate you.
A good idea would be to start sleeping with someone in crewing.
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HAHA, well wen u have morals that wood be outtA the question!!! I do hold japanese language skills and an aussie passport but I'm not sure whether mel mamers do narita yet?
on average would you say id get 8 overnites or 12 or 4? LOL
cheers
on average would you say id get 8 overnites or 12 or 4? LOL
cheers
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qf/mam
qantas/mam same same, there is more info here related to qf than on the mam forum.
anyways having caught up for lunch with my flying friends, i hear that 2 casuals down in melbourne are in office jobs? is this right? or is it purely gossip? they must be having a field day down there..(flash back to interview in 2002) "you do know that this job is casual and will not lead to any type of employment with qantas"
on another note, my girlfriend said that many of the new contract c crew coming out, belive they are more senior that those who have been there from the start! lots of issues there, and a few arguments in breifings. What is going on? now casuals are arguing with casuals?
Now in regards to what trips you will get spunksta, if you help at every opportunity, dont have a life at all, and develope a relationship with someone in crewing (ie-sex, keep in touch via email etc etc) you will get the best flying! hope that helps, that is what i saw when i was there
anyways having caught up for lunch with my flying friends, i hear that 2 casuals down in melbourne are in office jobs? is this right? or is it purely gossip? they must be having a field day down there..(flash back to interview in 2002) "you do know that this job is casual and will not lead to any type of employment with qantas"
on another note, my girlfriend said that many of the new contract c crew coming out, belive they are more senior that those who have been there from the start! lots of issues there, and a few arguments in breifings. What is going on? now casuals are arguing with casuals?
Now in regards to what trips you will get spunksta, if you help at every opportunity, dont have a life at all, and develope a relationship with someone in crewing (ie-sex, keep in touch via email etc etc) you will get the best flying! hope that helps, that is what i saw when i was there
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dear MAM people,
you have your own thread.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...70#post2963370
click on this, this is a QANTAS thread.........people will be more interested in your posts on THAT thread.
you have your own thread.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...70#post2963370
click on this, this is a QANTAS thread.........people will be more interested in your posts on THAT thread.
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Please use the correct MAM thread from now on.
spunksta22 - hard to know which is the more irritating - your inability to make use of English in any recognisable form or your near total lack of knowledge, sensitivity and awareness of the airline and industry that you aspire to join. Take a little time to read and understand the relevant history and issues before you post again.
spunksta22 - hard to know which is the more irritating - your inability to make use of English in any recognisable form or your near total lack of knowledge, sensitivity and awareness of the airline and industry that you aspire to join. Take a little time to read and understand the relevant history and issues before you post again.
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future of LH crew
those of you attending the forums with AW have got a little insight in the companies approach to the next eba. as AW pointed out there is a future for lh crew but there are of course some hurdles to overcome(speak cost benefits). they are also not in favour of confrontation (speak AWA's).
in summary the wishlist as i understood it.
more productivity in the next EBA (another 20 hours or so per roster )
long range pay/overtime more likley to be capped or other options.
there are no plans in the next 12 month to promote AKl based crew (watch this space).
slipping formula to go
the A380 will have a dedicated crew.
the A380 flies slower then the 747. longer TOD.
more flexibility, more parttime possible for all categories.
in summary the wishlist as i understood it.
more productivity in the next EBA (another 20 hours or so per roster )
long range pay/overtime more likley to be capped or other options.
there are no plans in the next 12 month to promote AKl based crew (watch this space).
slipping formula to go
the A380 will have a dedicated crew.
the A380 flies slower then the 747. longer TOD.
more flexibility, more parttime possible for all categories.
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.....like you QCC I found the AW forums interesting....in fact I was facinated as to what she DID NOT say!!!
Clearly her experience in the trenches up at BA for 10 years has made her a very polished performer, and unlike Kylie , she can hold her own when under intense attack and not make up stuff for the sake of it just to appease the audience at the time ( read :Kylie in Perth 21/06/2003: "Oh no we love the Perth base-it will be staying !!!! ") -yeah right !
Anyway, the rumours around "other " cut backs for crew that she did not mention:
*Transport only offered for LAX's/SFO directs and TOD's >14hrs.
* 3 star Hotels to be the standard.
*No cash allowances-all crew to be issued with a Debit card with port allowance cap's ( ATO would love this one !!! )
* Reintroducing Casuals for L/H.( we still may see Spunkstar spreading her verbage on board some day!)
The above 4 were mumbled to me from my manager early this year as "options the company were considering".
Clearly her experience in the trenches up at BA for 10 years has made her a very polished performer, and unlike Kylie , she can hold her own when under intense attack and not make up stuff for the sake of it just to appease the audience at the time ( read :Kylie in Perth 21/06/2003: "Oh no we love the Perth base-it will be staying !!!! ") -yeah right !
Anyway, the rumours around "other " cut backs for crew that she did not mention:
*Transport only offered for LAX's/SFO directs and TOD's >14hrs.
* 3 star Hotels to be the standard.
*No cash allowances-all crew to be issued with a Debit card with port allowance cap's ( ATO would love this one !!! )
* Reintroducing Casuals for L/H.( we still may see Spunkstar spreading her verbage on board some day!)
The above 4 were mumbled to me from my manager early this year as "options the company were considering".
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qcc2 ,
It is interesting when you say AW believes that the company is not interested in confrontation but after 30 years with the company I'd have to disagree with that .
The reason I don't think we will see AWA's yet is that the goverment does not want that to happen wholesale until after the next election for obvious reasons.
It does not take a rocket scientist to know that they want our slipping formula as they have wanted that for many years.
Although they cannot with any ease lower our allowances they can however change the way it is given.
The other usuals such as Long Range allowance and overtime as well as hotels are also obvious targets but unless they are going to have crew for the 380 on a similar set up to J* international then you would think the extra cost of having a dedicated crew would be prohibitive.Then again it is QF we are talking about so nothing should surprise us.That would also give the company one more group to play divide and conquer with.
The faaa have been very quiet as usual so we will probably just have to wait and see what comes up.
It also worries me just a bit that the union will come to us and say "We have some great news guys we managed to get the company down to 240 hours when they wanted 300 hours at the start as well 5000 crew in LHR and FRA and we got them down to 2000 and overtime will now be after 15 hours instead of 17 so we have had a HUGE WIN and strongly recommend that you vote for this EBA."
It is a little like being threatened with death and when you only get shot in the leg ,you think you have won.
It is interesting when you say AW believes that the company is not interested in confrontation but after 30 years with the company I'd have to disagree with that .
The reason I don't think we will see AWA's yet is that the goverment does not want that to happen wholesale until after the next election for obvious reasons.
It does not take a rocket scientist to know that they want our slipping formula as they have wanted that for many years.
Although they cannot with any ease lower our allowances they can however change the way it is given.
The other usuals such as Long Range allowance and overtime as well as hotels are also obvious targets but unless they are going to have crew for the 380 on a similar set up to J* international then you would think the extra cost of having a dedicated crew would be prohibitive.Then again it is QF we are talking about so nothing should surprise us.That would also give the company one more group to play divide and conquer with.
The faaa have been very quiet as usual so we will probably just have to wait and see what comes up.
It also worries me just a bit that the union will come to us and say "We have some great news guys we managed to get the company down to 240 hours when they wanted 300 hours at the start as well 5000 crew in LHR and FRA and we got them down to 2000 and overtime will now be after 15 hours instead of 17 so we have had a HUGE WIN and strongly recommend that you vote for this EBA."
It is a little like being threatened with death and when you only get shot in the leg ,you think you have won.
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agree
the wishlist is a lot longer. anything where they see saving money they will table at negotiations.
the proposed A380 dedicated crew is in my view the outcome of:
a) casa wants a limit of aircraft crew can operate on
b)stop senior crew from monopolising lax trips
C) more consistancy in delivering the product
the hotel issue has to be fought vigirously. again the faaa lh is going to be in a difficult position as the domestic union signed of the ibis hotel.
debit cards are a pain as the checkin/ckeckout time will triple.
the cost comparison graphs AW showed us are flawed to a certain extend.
here the faaa lh has a chance to get some leverage (pay someone to get all the appropriate research in cost comparison) some of the numbers MM brought up at the meetings are fundamentaly wrong. pay someone to do the research.
the proposed A380 dedicated crew is in my view the outcome of:
a) casa wants a limit of aircraft crew can operate on
b)stop senior crew from monopolising lax trips
C) more consistancy in delivering the product
the hotel issue has to be fought vigirously. again the faaa lh is going to be in a difficult position as the domestic union signed of the ibis hotel.
debit cards are a pain as the checkin/ckeckout time will triple.
the cost comparison graphs AW showed us are flawed to a certain extend.
here the faaa lh has a chance to get some leverage (pay someone to get all the appropriate research in cost comparison) some of the numbers MM brought up at the meetings are fundamentaly wrong. pay someone to do the research.
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WE all know or at least suspect that the company likes to annoy senior crew but I don't think there would be many senior crew wanting to fly the 380.
Then again if the 380 does all the long trips and that means LHR , FRA , LAX ,SFO etc maybe they will because they might not have any choice.The mothers club certainly will not.
This is of course supposing that the 380 even arrives at all
After looking at that computer course "where experience is everything" or whatever and the company telling us that the "Australian cabin crew arew very much an adantage in customer service" and then going out of their way to hire off shore you might imagine that service consistency is not one of their priorities
Then again if the 380 does all the long trips and that means LHR , FRA , LAX ,SFO etc maybe they will because they might not have any choice.The mothers club certainly will not.
This is of course supposing that the 380 even arrives at all
After looking at that computer course "where experience is everything" or whatever and the company telling us that the "Australian cabin crew arew very much an adantage in customer service" and then going out of their way to hire off shore you might imagine that service consistency is not one of their priorities
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slipping formula
The slipping formula, as it stands, will be very hard to retain as it applies regardless of the fatigue factor of the previous sectors.
If we are to keep it in any form, it has to be modified so that the long slip is positioned when it is needed most, eg. after a night sector with a long TOD.
As it stands now, it doesn't even benefit us in some cases, as it is often placed after an easy day sector, when the following sector is the arduous one.
Also the minimum length of it being 46hrs is probably difficult to justify.
If we are to keep it in any form, it has to be modified so that the long slip is positioned when it is needed most, eg. after a night sector with a long TOD.
As it stands now, it doesn't even benefit us in some cases, as it is often placed after an easy day sector, when the following sector is the arduous one.
Also the minimum length of it being 46hrs is probably difficult to justify.