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Huh?
In any 46 hour period arent there 2 local sunsets(nights)?
Unless of course you live in the Arctic circle.
Unless of course you live in the Arctic circle.
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[QUOTE=twiggs;]
My comment about the crew rest seats was tongue in cheek, but I will refrain from such irony in the future, as it is lost on the pack of wolves that roam in here.
Perhaps we could have our 46 hour slip strapped into the crew rest seat? Tongue in cheek?......woof....woof....woof
Lowerlobe & Simon T when you're on a good thing stick to it!
My comment about the crew rest seats was tongue in cheek, but I will refrain from such irony in the future, as it is lost on the pack of wolves that roam in here.
Perhaps we could have our 46 hour slip strapped into the crew rest seat? Tongue in cheek?......woof....woof....woof
Lowerlobe & Simon T when you're on a good thing stick to it!
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Maybe she is referring to a slip on some other planet
Uhhh Twiggs sorry to remind you of your own post but you said that it would be difficult to justify a 46 hour slip…so much for caring about crew rest
Actually Twiggs if you know anything about the award regarding the 1,1,2 slipping pattern you would know that the 46 hour amount is meant to equate to 2 local nights (slowly now ...think about it) but obviously you are just reading it verbatim .It has been that way long before enterprise bargaining was thought of .However unless you know of somewhere that 46 hours does not include 2 local nights ( that we have slip ports in I mean ) then reading the EBA will not do you any good at all. !!!!
As far as your sense of irony is concerned does also that mean the post ( which said that it was not the money that is important but the destination) is ironic as well. Twiggs only you know what is going on inside your head because it is not apparent here.
It is not that we are wolves but if you are going to enter into a debate then your posts have to make sense.
Actually Twiggs if you know anything about the award regarding the 1,1,2 slipping pattern you would know that the 46 hour amount is meant to equate to 2 local nights (slowly now ...think about it) but obviously you are just reading it verbatim .It has been that way long before enterprise bargaining was thought of .However unless you know of somewhere that 46 hours does not include 2 local nights ( that we have slip ports in I mean ) then reading the EBA will not do you any good at all. !!!!
As far as your sense of irony is concerned does also that mean the post ( which said that it was not the money that is important but the destination) is ironic as well. Twiggs only you know what is going on inside your head because it is not apparent here.
It is not that we are wolves but if you are going to enter into a debate then your posts have to make sense.
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OK so first we have from Twiggs...
" By the way, the slipping formula dictates 46 hrs minimum, not 2 local nights."
Then in just over an hour later we get this again from Twiggs...
" actually 46 hrs equates to a minimum of 2 nights and 2 days "
Twiggs posts have no point ,no relevance , no direction and contradict most of her previous posts except that now she seems to be trying to rework the Gregorian calendar.
" By the way, the slipping formula dictates 46 hrs minimum, not 2 local nights."
Then in just over an hour later we get this again from Twiggs...
" actually 46 hrs equates to a minimum of 2 nights and 2 days "
Twiggs posts have no point ,no relevance , no direction and contradict most of her previous posts except that now she seems to be trying to rework the Gregorian calendar.
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I am trying to highlight that when you refer to "2 local nights", it implies you are referring to min rest after long range as that is the terminology used.
The min rest for 1 slip in 3 for slipping formula is about 10 hours more.
The min rest for 1 slip in 3 for slipping formula is about 10 hours more.
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Happy to oblige Schlonghaul;
There is an interesting post in the D & G reporting forums .Go to the morale at Qantas thread and look for the letter a retired Capt sent to the CEO of UA.
It's funny but the description of the CEO sounds just like ours.... very interesting reading. I wonder if Darth gets any letters like this one ?
There is an interesting post in the D & G reporting forums .Go to the morale at Qantas thread and look for the letter a retired Capt sent to the CEO of UA.
It's funny but the description of the CEO sounds just like ours.... very interesting reading. I wonder if Darth gets any letters like this one ?
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Come in......Tight Slot !!!
Tight slot... t'was wondering whether you could do us all a favour and start a new thread called:
TWIGGS
This way she could talk to her self and reply to her own posts.
will make great reading.
Word of advice: ensure spellcheck/grammar check/meaning check/ is enabled!!
TWIGGS
This way she could talk to her self and reply to her own posts.
will make great reading.
Word of advice: ensure spellcheck/grammar check/meaning check/ is enabled!!
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come on guys, you have to admit Twiggs's posts are every amusing.
How can you forget the line "its not the money but the destinations"
That is one of the funniest things I have heard in a very long time.
its was a precious post!
How can you forget the line "its not the money but the destinations"
That is one of the funniest things I have heard in a very long time.
its was a precious post!
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Management
It seems to me that a lot is being asked of the FAAA, considering the amount of criticism it receives in this forum. In the present industrial climate, and in a company that is highly unionised, a united response is required, from the pilots, engineers, flight attendants, ground staff and everyone else that is directly employed by QF.
Managements despicable attitude towards its employees, which is nothing new, has to be tackled head on by everyone involved for the reason that you all have a common enemy. Instead of pursuing separate agendas on T & C's, it should be for the removal of the present administrative regime. If the shareholders become aware of the current level of discontent within the workforce and the possibility of a massive all-out confrontation with management, a change may be affected by the people whose interests GD and the Board purports to represent and protect.
Clearly, GD and his mates don't give a damn about QF employees and it may help if their contempt for you was reciprocated in a very public way.
From my perspective, and I have been out for a few years now but I keep in touch with what is happening, if you don't fight collectively for what you have, you will be bullied, threatened and coerced in to surrendering. If there is one thing I know for sure about QF management it is that they are afraid of the truth and adverse public opinion.
Managements despicable attitude towards its employees, which is nothing new, has to be tackled head on by everyone involved for the reason that you all have a common enemy. Instead of pursuing separate agendas on T & C's, it should be for the removal of the present administrative regime. If the shareholders become aware of the current level of discontent within the workforce and the possibility of a massive all-out confrontation with management, a change may be affected by the people whose interests GD and the Board purports to represent and protect.
Clearly, GD and his mates don't give a damn about QF employees and it may help if their contempt for you was reciprocated in a very public way.
From my perspective, and I have been out for a few years now but I keep in touch with what is happening, if you don't fight collectively for what you have, you will be bullied, threatened and coerced in to surrendering. If there is one thing I know for sure about QF management it is that they are afraid of the truth and adverse public opinion.
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you have a point,
however the union has a lot to answer for eg. the keep telling us that lh is more expensive then sh. according to the company this is not the case (source:forum). the annual duty times between the airlines ( showed at the forums) are also very flawed. If they would get their act together and spend some money on proper research they might find a different set of numbers. INSTEAD OF USING THE COMPANIES LINE OF DOOM AND GLOOM do something productive.
as for the LHR base the aus based crews had enough, they want to come home.
one thing i found out about the London base which really TICKED ME OFF BIG TIME is their CSM's can purchase FIRST CLASS TICKETS ON QF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as for the LHR base the aus based crews had enough, they want to come home.
one thing i found out about the London base which really TICKED ME OFF BIG TIME is their CSM's can purchase FIRST CLASS TICKETS ON QF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Time to sell?!!
After a news report this morning mentioning a possible takeover of Qantas have just seen that the share price is over five dollars. It has'nt been that high in years!! The jigsaw puzzle is falling into place.
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look at the detail
SYDNEY, Nov 22 (Reuters) - Macquarie Bank Ltd. (MBL.AX: Quote, Profile, Research) and private equity group Texas Pacific Group [TPG.UL] are preparing a buyout proposal for Qantas Airways Ltd. (QAN.AX: Quote, Profile, Research), the Australian Financial Review reported on Wednesday.
The paper said market sources are saying it is not a question of if Macquarie is working on a bid, but when it is ready to pounce, and added that senior market players were taking seriously rumours of a bid of A$5.20 a share, valuing Qantas at nearly A$10 billion ($7.7 billion).
Qantas shares closed at A$4.35 on Tuesday.
The deal, although fraught with political difficulties, would involve Macquarie and associates taking a 25 percent stake in Qantas, other Australian investors taking 25 percent, Qantas senior management being asked to take 1 percent and international players, led by Texas Pacific, taking the rest, the paper said.
That mix would allow the consortium to get round ownership restrictions that limit one individual entity to no more that 25 percent of the airline, and international interests collectively owning no more that 49 percent.
Qantas executives acknowledged the speculation, but declined to comment, the paper said.
The AFR reported earlier in November that a private equity group was eyeing Qantas, sending shares in the airline sharply higher.
the 1 percent for management means 100 million dollars as another way of bonuses. time to get the pollies reved up.
The paper said market sources are saying it is not a question of if Macquarie is working on a bid, but when it is ready to pounce, and added that senior market players were taking seriously rumours of a bid of A$5.20 a share, valuing Qantas at nearly A$10 billion ($7.7 billion).
Qantas shares closed at A$4.35 on Tuesday.
The deal, although fraught with political difficulties, would involve Macquarie and associates taking a 25 percent stake in Qantas, other Australian investors taking 25 percent, Qantas senior management being asked to take 1 percent and international players, led by Texas Pacific, taking the rest, the paper said.
That mix would allow the consortium to get round ownership restrictions that limit one individual entity to no more that 25 percent of the airline, and international interests collectively owning no more that 49 percent.
Qantas executives acknowledged the speculation, but declined to comment, the paper said.
The AFR reported earlier in November that a private equity group was eyeing Qantas, sending shares in the airline sharply higher.
the 1 percent for management means 100 million dollars as another way of bonuses. time to get the pollies reved up.
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Regarding this whole potential takeover by Macquarie etc... I hate to say it but ... maybe better the devil you know.
**** - i cant believe i am saying something in support of that jerk Dixon.
And whats this about the UK CSM's being able to purchase a first class ticket!?! Are you serious?!
**** - i cant believe i am saying something in support of that jerk Dixon.
And whats this about the UK CSM's being able to purchase a first class ticket!?! Are you serious?!
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As I mentioned earlier maybe this is why the company has and is wanting to get rid of as much LSL as possible.They want to make the company's financial position LOOK as good as possible with as little outstanding debt for any investor...
Tropicalchief,
I could not agree more and that is why I have been calling for the FAAA to have a publicity campaign to expose the greed which pervades the QF boardroom. If they could do this in unison with other QF unions then so much the better and maybe even the ACTU.
One of the problems though is the memory with other unions of the 1981 dispute when from memory we went back to work before some of the other QF unions that walked out supporting us.
However the FAAA reps here have argued before that it will do no good and they know how to deal with the company and so as I said before...
It also worries me just a bit that the union will come to us and say "We have some great news guys we managed to get the company down to 240 hours when they wanted 300 hours at the start as well 5000 crew in LHR and FRA and we got them down to 2000 and overtime will now be after 15 hours instead of 17 so we have had a HUGE WIN and strongly recommend that you vote for this EBA."....
The problem is that the FAAA likes to do all the talking behind closed doors and let's us know after a deal has been made and It's like being shot in the leg and feeling as though you have won because you are not dead.
Tropicalchief,
I could not agree more and that is why I have been calling for the FAAA to have a publicity campaign to expose the greed which pervades the QF boardroom. If they could do this in unison with other QF unions then so much the better and maybe even the ACTU.
One of the problems though is the memory with other unions of the 1981 dispute when from memory we went back to work before some of the other QF unions that walked out supporting us.
However the FAAA reps here have argued before that it will do no good and they know how to deal with the company and so as I said before...
It also worries me just a bit that the union will come to us and say "We have some great news guys we managed to get the company down to 240 hours when they wanted 300 hours at the start as well 5000 crew in LHR and FRA and we got them down to 2000 and overtime will now be after 15 hours instead of 17 so we have had a HUGE WIN and strongly recommend that you vote for this EBA."....
The problem is that the FAAA likes to do all the talking behind closed doors and let's us know after a deal has been made and It's like being shot in the leg and feeling as though you have won because you are not dead.
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yes
LHR based CSM's can purchase first class tickets. my friend was recently on a trip where an ex sh f/a now lh lhr based csm travelled in style in pc. ever so curios the crew grilled the individual and he confirmed the deal.It stinks!!!!
LL , it is now imperative the QF unions including the actu start a publicity campaign. been subject to a take over by yanks can never be a good thing
They would brake up the company to get return on their investments. lets have a look
star trak ...listed on the asx as seperate entity
QF catering... sold to whoever
Jetstar domestic, international, asia listed on the asx as seperate entity
Qf holidays ... sold
QF domestic terminals...sold
QF FF flyer program ...sold
QF engineering.(whats left)...sold
QF Cargo ops...sold
QF ground operations...sold
50% air express....sold or listed with star track
QF mainline ???????
LL , it is now imperative the QF unions including the actu start a publicity campaign. been subject to a take over by yanks can never be a good thing
They would brake up the company to get return on their investments. lets have a look
star trak ...listed on the asx as seperate entity
QF catering... sold to whoever
Jetstar domestic, international, asia listed on the asx as seperate entity
Qf holidays ... sold
QF domestic terminals...sold
QF FF flyer program ...sold
QF engineering.(whats left)...sold
QF Cargo ops...sold
QF ground operations...sold
50% air express....sold or listed with star track
QF mainline ???????
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I call OPS about once a year.
Is it my imagination or are they ruder and more unhelpful than ever.?
Ring to get some information and its like you are interrupting them having a bonk.
If it wasnt for crew these turkeys wouldnt have a bloody job.
The disease Dixon has is spreading like wildfire through these groundhogs.
Is it my imagination or are they ruder and more unhelpful than ever.?
Ring to get some information and its like you are interrupting them having a bonk.
If it wasnt for crew these turkeys wouldnt have a bloody job.
The disease Dixon has is spreading like wildfire through these groundhogs.
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Texas "chainsaw" Massacre
...............the reality of having the Chainsaw ( CEO of SACL -Macquarie Airports) being involved in Qantas ( speculation) is too frightening to even contemplate.
This bloke has NO boundaries.
He refers to his "people" as UNITS OF WORK.
Be very careful what you wish for.
Apologies Mr Dixon.............all is forgiven-proceed with the rampage.
This bloke has NO boundaries.
He refers to his "people" as UNITS OF WORK.
Be very careful what you wish for.
Apologies Mr Dixon.............all is forgiven-proceed with the rampage.