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The take over
It looks as though we are about to be caught between a rock and a hard place.
Has anyone considered that GD has had a hand in this and there is a job waiting for him at macquarie Bank.
He certainly would like the pay scale for execs there.
Has anyone considered that GD has had a hand in this and there is a job waiting for him at macquarie Bank.
He certainly would like the pay scale for execs there.
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It's Still The Same Old Story......
macq.bank + qf = corporation that only puts needs of shareholders 1st b4 those of staff
so will this mean selling financial or investment products as part of the inflight service routine then?
so will this mean selling financial or investment products as part of the inflight service routine then?
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the horse has already bolted
LOL - with this threatened take -over bid -NOW the politicians are saying that they are worried about(quote) " TAKING THE KANGAROO OUT OF QANTAS"
Sorry boys -but Qantas Senior Management have been doing this by stealth -with full Federal Govt support - these last few years ......
SAWADEECUP! FUSH & CHUPS ANYONE??
Sorry boys -but Qantas Senior Management have been doing this by stealth -with full Federal Govt support - these last few years ......
SAWADEECUP! FUSH & CHUPS ANYONE??
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Sorry boys -but Qantas Senior Management have been doing this by stealth -with full Federal Govt support - these last few years ......
why of course - they have much to gain with their shares etc etc
why of course - they have much to gain with their shares etc etc
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Perhaps the CSM your friend was talking to might have been blowing their own trumpet a little bit.
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BA Lert Grudge
There are about 6 or 7 LH CC posters in these forums..not all are FAAA members.
This small group could hardly be considered indicative of LH CC in general.
Most current LH CC have no idea or knowledge of the 1981 SP dispute....so they can hardly be held accountable.
It was a regrettable situation and most if not all of the individuals concerned have since left.
The self appointed keeper of the moral high ground..Mr Lert can be best characterised as a bitter old person who has way too much time on his hands and nothing positive to say about anything or anyone.
The SP event occurred almost a generation ago....time we moved on.
This small group could hardly be considered indicative of LH CC in general.
Most current LH CC have no idea or knowledge of the 1981 SP dispute....so they can hardly be held accountable.
It was a regrettable situation and most if not all of the individuals concerned have since left.
The self appointed keeper of the moral high ground..Mr Lert can be best characterised as a bitter old person who has way too much time on his hands and nothing positive to say about anything or anyone.
The SP event occurred almost a generation ago....time we moved on.
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Surfside,
I agree it is time to move on however my point was that there are some long memories in the union movement .This is one reason why I believe that there is no solidarity within QF as far as unions go or at least seemingly so.
You only have to remember the strikebreakers being trained and bused to the jetbase at night not even 2 years ago to see how we are perceived.
As far as the current leadership is concerned they have exactly the same attitude as the ones in 81 and that is my concern as my memory is still vivid of that stupidity
I agree it is time to move on however my point was that there are some long memories in the union movement .This is one reason why I believe that there is no solidarity within QF as far as unions go or at least seemingly so.
You only have to remember the strikebreakers being trained and bused to the jetbase at night not even 2 years ago to see how we are perceived.
As far as the current leadership is concerned they have exactly the same attitude as the ones in 81 and that is my concern as my memory is still vivid of that stupidity
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Guys,
with this news about Macq bank etc i reckon its pretty important for all QF staff to stick together.
I know you think we (SH) are a bunch of pricks for a whole bunch of reasons and thats understandable but maybe we should be seriously banding together quite soon.
You guys (LH) are going to be heading into EBA negotiations over the next 12months - rumours of higher hours/roster, seniority etc etc are important items and if we support you guys then it might go towards repairing some damage that has been done between the 2 divisions.
with this news about Macq bank etc i reckon its pretty important for all QF staff to stick together.
I know you think we (SH) are a bunch of pricks for a whole bunch of reasons and thats understandable but maybe we should be seriously banding together quite soon.
You guys (LH) are going to be heading into EBA negotiations over the next 12months - rumours of higher hours/roster, seniority etc etc are important items and if we support you guys then it might go towards repairing some damage that has been done between the 2 divisions.
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Interesting
ozskipper i had another person mailing me telling me also he had lhr based csm's in pc. they also told her that they are allowed to purchase pc seats. somewhere there is a little rort going on.
s/h, thats where the company wants lh to follow sh with the eba. longer hours, allowances paid in at home, no slipping formula,etc. unfortunatly as i said before sh union set bar lower again which makes it very hard for us to negotiate. support us, yes, but what do you suggest?
as for the yanks& mac bank bid this will change everthing. regardless of the outcome there will be permanent changes. i predict J* will float, startrack & air express will follow on the exchange, catering will be sold, engineering will be outsourced, and of course pilots & cabin crew will have it a lot harder to get a decent deal
i think everyone should send an email to kim beazley
[email protected]
s/h, thats where the company wants lh to follow sh with the eba. longer hours, allowances paid in at home, no slipping formula,etc. unfortunatly as i said before sh union set bar lower again which makes it very hard for us to negotiate. support us, yes, but what do you suggest?
as for the yanks& mac bank bid this will change everthing. regardless of the outcome there will be permanent changes. i predict J* will float, startrack & air express will follow on the exchange, catering will be sold, engineering will be outsourced, and of course pilots & cabin crew will have it a lot harder to get a decent deal
i think everyone should send an email to kim beazley
[email protected]
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QCC,
I know this is no help whatsoever, but im not sure what we can do to offer support.
I hope that the powers to be (FAAA officials who i pay) can offer advice, support etc if the LH division asks for it.
Hey the SH FAAA are good at fisting us so maybe they can work their evil negotiating skills into something good and help the LH division as well!
I know this is no help whatsoever, but im not sure what we can do to offer support.
I hope that the powers to be (FAAA officials who i pay) can offer advice, support etc if the LH division asks for it.
Hey the SH FAAA are good at fisting us so maybe they can work their evil negotiating skills into something good and help the LH division as well!
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I know I am an enternal optimist but this may just work out for the better.
We all know that our boss set up J* to lower our conditions and use it against us.
If the takeover eventuates and the new owners do what they normally do after taking over they may sell off any part of the QF group that is not making any REAL money.
If J* is not making much money compared to QF mainline then they might sell it and keep the one part making a decent profit and that is us.
I agree with qcc2's sentiment but Kim Beazley has enough problems trying to stay as leader of the opposition.
We all know that our boss set up J* to lower our conditions and use it against us.
If the takeover eventuates and the new owners do what they normally do after taking over they may sell off any part of the QF group that is not making any REAL money.
If J* is not making much money compared to QF mainline then they might sell it and keep the one part making a decent profit and that is us.
I agree with qcc2's sentiment but Kim Beazley has enough problems trying to stay as leader of the opposition.
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in my humble
opinion this is kim's chance to get on the front page and raising his somewhat lagging profile. the publicity experts from the party could very well make this take over look bad in the national interest. doing nothing does nothing for him or his profile.
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On ninemsn.com.au they ran a poll today asking if people want QF to be taken over...
The results were.....
No - 3514
Yes - 26295
30,000 votes in one day indicate the public do give somewhat of a rats arse about our company..
Why arent the Labour party, FAAA and other unions running with this?!
The results were.....
No - 3514
Yes - 26295
30,000 votes in one day indicate the public do give somewhat of a rats arse about our company..
Why arent the Labour party, FAAA and other unions running with this?!
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qcc2 you are wrong
As you know I'm a LHR CSM and the staff travel is exactly the same as Aus based crew.
I can only purchase a ticket in J class but was once given a broken P class seat with no IFE or table and no refund.
Your info. is 100% incorrect.
I can only purchase a ticket in J class but was once given a broken P class seat with no IFE or table and no refund.
Your info. is 100% incorrect.
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thank you
pp then those csm's travelled in pc ( i have been told of 3 ex-sh guys, not on the same trip)have somewhat rorted the system and lied to their fellow crew members. 
s/h the average minor shareholder wont give a t... short term about qf and its future. if they are offered $ 5.50 a share or as much as $6.00 they take the money and run. GD and the pollies main worry will be the publicity this generates. The board most likely recommends an offer of $6.00. however as with most of these deals its the employees which will take the pain. apart from the 3 billion cost saving (sustainable futures program) the company wants to have by next year, that deal would require to get at least 1 billion in cash to the raiders every year for the next 4-6 years. where from? sale,sale,sale, and reduce costs even further.
the AIPA president comments were, he wants a share in the deal?
s/h the average minor shareholder wont give a t... short term about qf and its future. if they are offered $ 5.50 a share or as much as $6.00 they take the money and run. GD and the pollies main worry will be the publicity this generates. The board most likely recommends an offer of $6.00. however as with most of these deals its the employees which will take the pain. apart from the 3 billion cost saving (sustainable futures program) the company wants to have by next year, that deal would require to get at least 1 billion in cash to the raiders every year for the next 4-6 years. where from? sale,sale,sale, and reduce costs even further.
the AIPA president comments were, he wants a share in the deal?
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FAAA Media comments
Just thought that you would like to know that re the proposed purchase of Qantas, MM from the FAAA was intervied by a number of media outlets and was heard on 2UE.
The Media are not interested when the Unions talk about job security issues for their members.
However mention sex, strike, or something catchy they will run you as the lead story. Unfortunately the public dont want Qantas sold for parochial reasons. But they always want the promise of cheaper airfares and that's inevitably the spin that the media will run.
At the end of the day i think that the only hope will be the restrictions placed of foriegn ownership. I would also suggest that if the share price rose above $5 the staff (if they havent already sold their shares) would be among the first to sell.
who knows..perhaps the public will really surprise me on this. But when flight attendants threatened induistrial action in 2004 when Qantas was openeing the London base and we were desperate to get another EBA with protections....the caring public couldnt have given a ****e to be quite frank.
At the end of the day most australians want cheap airfares and think that qantas workers are overpaid and over priveleged.
Sad but true
The Media are not interested when the Unions talk about job security issues for their members.
However mention sex, strike, or something catchy they will run you as the lead story. Unfortunately the public dont want Qantas sold for parochial reasons. But they always want the promise of cheaper airfares and that's inevitably the spin that the media will run.
At the end of the day i think that the only hope will be the restrictions placed of foriegn ownership. I would also suggest that if the share price rose above $5 the staff (if they havent already sold their shares) would be among the first to sell.
who knows..perhaps the public will really surprise me on this. But when flight attendants threatened induistrial action in 2004 when Qantas was openeing the London base and we were desperate to get another EBA with protections....the caring public couldnt have given a ****e to be quite frank.
At the end of the day most australians want cheap airfares and think that qantas workers are overpaid and over priveleged.
Sad but true
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Why do you think Jetstar has been given so much emphasis by the Qantas M'ment? If all parties were reasonable with "give and take" on both sides, Jetstar, and AO before that, would never have seen the light of day. Sad but true! If this view is what some of you describe as the 'high moral ground', then so be it.
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Hyundai of the sky
SADLY BA LERT......you are 100% WRONG !!!!
The average Aussie does care about the Icon that is Qantas ( eg MSN vote), BUT at the end of the day they want it all for the lowest possible price.
Just have a look around on the road .......how many Hyundai's, Kia's and Protons do you see. ?? All cheap imitations of a quality products ie. Aussie made Holdens and even ( some) Aussie made Toyota's. Why does the average punter buy this rubbish????
= $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Get in the real world buddy.
Joe Public perceive ALL "crew" as people who swan around the world, stay @ 5-stars and are overpaid.
Our Ace card is the "collective" crew group ( S/H + L/H ).
These circling vultures are only interested in 1 thing-making more money.
You cannot strip much more yield from the assets(aircraft) -they are being flogged already. The ONLY way to gain more money is to strip the workforce down to the barest of margins.
Just read about those who has been involved with this mob ( Continental airlines/US Air staff !!)
On another note, I had a phone call today from my Manager asking me would I like to be part of a "focus group" to help lift crew ENGAGEMENT.
My reply: "I'm too busy............not interested!! "
The average Aussie does care about the Icon that is Qantas ( eg MSN vote), BUT at the end of the day they want it all for the lowest possible price.
Just have a look around on the road .......how many Hyundai's, Kia's and Protons do you see. ?? All cheap imitations of a quality products ie. Aussie made Holdens and even ( some) Aussie made Toyota's. Why does the average punter buy this rubbish????
= $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Get in the real world buddy.
Joe Public perceive ALL "crew" as people who swan around the world, stay @ 5-stars and are overpaid.
Our Ace card is the "collective" crew group ( S/H + L/H ).
These circling vultures are only interested in 1 thing-making more money.
You cannot strip much more yield from the assets(aircraft) -they are being flogged already. The ONLY way to gain more money is to strip the workforce down to the barest of margins.
Just read about those who has been involved with this mob ( Continental airlines/US Air staff !!)
On another note, I had a phone call today from my Manager asking me would I like to be part of a "focus group" to help lift crew ENGAGEMENT.
My reply: "I'm too busy............not interested!! "