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Re-branding
I can see Darths logic,he will offer us a life if we merge with S/H and accept their conditions and then after a year or two (maybe...probably less) he will say the same thing if we merge with J*and accept their conditions...Then re-spray the whole thing QF and bob's your uncle
1. Lower the traditional Qantas cost structure by creating Jet* both (domestic and international).
2. At the right time, kill off the Jet* brand and rename it Qantas... (Similar to what happened with Australian Airlines albeit in guise of a wet lease). This ensures the Qantas brand survives.
3.Voila a brand new inexpensive Qantas emerges.
Everything transforms and nothing is created!
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CSM and CSS training in the AKL base
let me claifify without equivocation that there is no training of AKL base CSM's and CSS's taking place at the moment.
Any training that is taking place is certainly not in the AKL base.
Whilst there is an agreement that facilitates the appointment of CSM's and CSS's in AKL it is my hope that any negotiations that take place between the FAAA and Qantas will negate the need for these appoinments.
The law does not allow any agreement with LH crew that would restrict Qantas from appointing AKL crew to these positions any more however if we are able to deliver some increased productivity we may be able to disuade QF from that course of action. A long shot perhaps...but in the current IR environment the only hope we have.
In fact any increased productivity for the LH division will undoubtedly swing some of our traditional flying back to long haul division. Other than that its the way of the dinosaur for us i am afraid.
But at this stage just be sure there is no training of AKL crew to CSM and CSS positions.
Call Alison Webster or Samantha Taranto for a direct answer. The other visitors wouldnt know if their collective asses were on fire
Any training that is taking place is certainly not in the AKL base.
Whilst there is an agreement that facilitates the appointment of CSM's and CSS's in AKL it is my hope that any negotiations that take place between the FAAA and Qantas will negate the need for these appoinments.
The law does not allow any agreement with LH crew that would restrict Qantas from appointing AKL crew to these positions any more however if we are able to deliver some increased productivity we may be able to disuade QF from that course of action. A long shot perhaps...but in the current IR environment the only hope we have.
In fact any increased productivity for the LH division will undoubtedly swing some of our traditional flying back to long haul division. Other than that its the way of the dinosaur for us i am afraid.
But at this stage just be sure there is no training of AKL crew to CSM and CSS positions.
Call Alison Webster or Samantha Taranto for a direct answer. The other visitors wouldnt know if their collective asses were on fire
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I note Jetstar have entitled their international managers as CSMs. Does that mean a greater area or level of responsibility? Doesn't seem that way if payscales are anything to go by?!
CSMs at QF may be interested to note that FAs and MAM casuals have operated as CSM on occaison. Sends out an odd message from the company I think. Way of the future I guess...
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Pegasus,
Can you expand on your statement
"Whilst there is an agreement that facilitates the appointment of CSM's and CSS's in AKL"
It has been my understanding as well as a number of others that the only base the company is allowed to appoint on board mangers is LHR.
If the faaa has given it's approval for the company to do this ,when was this done?
Can you expand on your statement
"Whilst there is an agreement that facilitates the appointment of CSM's and CSS's in AKL"
It has been my understanding as well as a number of others that the only base the company is allowed to appoint on board mangers is LHR.
If the faaa has given it's approval for the company to do this ,when was this done?
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BUN-TOSSERS RULE has had 3 posts deleted because he/she is a brand new member who was too lazy to read the forum FAQ and the post by Danny about probationary membership posts, resulting in a triplicate post of the same text. A really promising start there BUN-TOSSERS RULE!
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The agreement i referred to is the one reached between Qantas and Jetconnect in NZ. THe agreement between the FAAA and Qantas that restricts promotional opportunities other than for the LHR base has been invalidated by the New IR laws that prohibit sucg restrictions.
Despite the agreement between QF and Jetconnect in NZ being reached there doesnt appear to be any indication that QF will move to appoint straight away.
All this info was provided in great detail at the recent FAAA meetings
Despite the agreement between QF and Jetconnect in NZ being reached there doesnt appear to be any indication that QF will move to appoint straight away.
All this info was provided in great detail at the recent FAAA meetings
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Apology to TIGHTSLOT
My sincere apologies Tightslot 
. I did not read the post by DANNY 
until after I tried to post my message
.......I thought my message was
not getting through because I was using a slow or bad connection.
SORRY
. I did not read the post by DANNY until after I tried to post my message
.......I thought my message was not getting through because I was using a slow or bad connection.
SORRY
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Pegasus,
Thanks for your answer however it looked in your post as if you were saying that the faaa and QF had reached an agreement to allow the appointment of on board managers for the AKL base.I certainly did not hear that at the union meetings and it concerned me.
I don't understand that the new IR laws allow a current contract to be made redundant until the expiry of that contract however that is a moot point as the current EBA has only just over 12 months to run anyway and if you legally challenged that point in court the best you could expect would be to delay them .
I do agree with you however that unless we adapt we will go the way of the dinosaurs and if S/H can do it then so can we and get back our flying.
I personally don't have a problem with the company appointing CSS's and CSM's in other bases however they should rely on the same merit based selection process that we do.
If they do not and appoint them solely on whoever will do the job for the lowest price then it makes a mockery of all the statements the company has made.
We should then make it known to the press that if you are an Australian working for QF ("THe Spirit of Australia")you have to go through a merit based selection process for promotion. However if you are cheap overseas labour then you can get any job as long as you accept third world rates.
In other words the company selects the best person for the job in Australia but overseas will take anyone if they will work for peanuts.Explain to everyone this sort of sweatshop mentality and let the company explain that to the media when questioned ,Australian jobs going offshore at the moment is big news ...let's put the heat on them for a change
Thanks for your answer however it looked in your post as if you were saying that the faaa and QF had reached an agreement to allow the appointment of on board managers for the AKL base.I certainly did not hear that at the union meetings and it concerned me.
I don't understand that the new IR laws allow a current contract to be made redundant until the expiry of that contract however that is a moot point as the current EBA has only just over 12 months to run anyway and if you legally challenged that point in court the best you could expect would be to delay them .
I do agree with you however that unless we adapt we will go the way of the dinosaurs and if S/H can do it then so can we and get back our flying.
I personally don't have a problem with the company appointing CSS's and CSM's in other bases however they should rely on the same merit based selection process that we do.
If they do not and appoint them solely on whoever will do the job for the lowest price then it makes a mockery of all the statements the company has made.
We should then make it known to the press that if you are an Australian working for QF ("THe Spirit of Australia")you have to go through a merit based selection process for promotion. However if you are cheap overseas labour then you can get any job as long as you accept third world rates.
In other words the company selects the best person for the job in Australia but overseas will take anyone if they will work for peanuts.Explain to everyone this sort of sweatshop mentality and let the company explain that to the media when questioned ,Australian jobs going offshore at the moment is big news ...let's put the heat on them for a change
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MAM-CSM's
.......you bet'ya SYD -S/h .......its happened out of the PER base on more than one occasion.
However, to be fair they were usually ex-AN Cabin Managers.
QF doesn't really give a rats at the end of the day WHO stands up at Left -1.
As long as they have an ontime departure, the IFE works, meals are hot, punters get off happy..........SWEET!!
However, to be fair they were usually ex-AN Cabin Managers.
QF doesn't really give a rats at the end of the day WHO stands up at Left -1.
As long as they have an ontime departure, the IFE works, meals are hot, punters get off happy..........SWEET!!
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current issues
i agree qf would not be able to breach current contracts unless the faaa agrees to changes before the eba expires. as i mentioned before one of the big issues is that s/h has agreed to do 126 hours per 28 days. i hear many already complaining about ALL that regional back to back with hardly any rest.
i certainly dont want to see 240 hours per roster in l/h and flying longrange most of the time. as for CSM selection i feel sorry for so many good aussie based css's who appear to loose out in this corporate stupidity.
i hear many already complaining about ALL that regional back to back with hardly any rest.i certainly dont want to see 240 hours per roster in l/h and flying longrange most of the time. as for CSM selection i feel sorry for so many good aussie based css's who appear to loose out in this corporate stupidity.
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As I said before why don't we start making some noise about this.
The company goes to great lengths to tell one and all ..
That they are the spirit of Australia
The flying Kangaroo
etc etc......
They want to appeal to the loyalty of all Australians to spend their hard earned savings on flying Australia's international airline BUT...
They don't want to hire Australians or pay Australian rates of pay..that is unless of course you are on the board and even then the bonuses are almost obscene..
Let's tell the media that unless you move overseas or are foreign based crew then you have no prospect of promotion.
Let's tell the media how many foriegn crew J* international are going to hire...
Let's tell Australia how much Darth and his mates are earning while Australian employees are being told they will not fly the new A-380 because Darth will not pay Australian wages...Darth and his mate Johnny are trying to redefine the word "MATE" and we are letting them get away with it.
Let's put the spotlight on Darth and make him answer some questions
The company goes to great lengths to tell one and all ..
That they are the spirit of Australia
The flying Kangaroo
etc etc......
They want to appeal to the loyalty of all Australians to spend their hard earned savings on flying Australia's international airline BUT...
They don't want to hire Australians or pay Australian rates of pay..that is unless of course you are on the board and even then the bonuses are almost obscene..
Let's tell the media that unless you move overseas or are foreign based crew then you have no prospect of promotion.
Let's tell the media how many foriegn crew J* international are going to hire...
Let's tell Australia how much Darth and his mates are earning while Australian employees are being told they will not fly the new A-380 because Darth will not pay Australian wages...Darth and his mate Johnny are trying to redefine the word "MATE" and we are letting them get away with it.
Let's put the spotlight on Darth and make him answer some questions
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AGM this week
The QF Annual General Meeting is this week in SYD.
The media circus will be there in full force.
As shareholders we have right of entry.
Time to mobilise and ask a few questions of the Chairwoman et al.
Lets see them earn there bonuses now defending the whole sale sell off of the Australian worker.
The media circus will be there in full force.
As shareholders we have right of entry.
Time to mobilise and ask a few questions of the Chairwoman et al.
Lets see them earn there bonuses now defending the whole sale sell off of the Australian worker.
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Gd Tells Airbus To Get Act Into Gear!
GD is telling Airbus to get their act into gear!
I can hear it now.............It's incredulous that such delays can be occurring in their production process. It is very disappointing! Who's in charge? If I was at the helm at EADS, this wouldn't be happening. I say cut and slash the existing 55,000 strong work-force. If we can't co-ordinate the production process in the Dozen or so precision facilities around France, Germany and Spain, send as much as we can offshore, to the point that the A380 can still be called European .......to Asia ....better still AKL, I say.
What do you mean the Unions in Europe are strong? BLAH.... They told me that in Australia! We'll work around them. AWA's for all staff at all European Factories or should I say EWA's (European)......everyone on contracts, NO OVERTIME PAYMENTS, NO HOLIDAY PAYMENTS (Actually no holidays), NO LONG SEVICE LEAVE, NO BENEFITS whatsoever and most importantly pay everyone as little as possilble. Build in penalties if one is absent from work and also for failure to meet periodic production deadlines. We'll curb these cost overruns. Compensation from our workforce is only fair.
What do you mean they work a 35hour week! that's ridiculous......double it! ... and we'll be wanting massive increases in productivity!..... and be sure to remind them they are lucky to have a job.....or better still, if they don't like it ......just leave.
What do you mean we provide a fully catered lunch......slash that, they'll all be to busy to have lunch. Get rid of that 4-star lunch room facility with those comfortable tables and chairs. Absorb that space into our production area....they won't be needing that any longer. Space is money.
What do you mean we provide home transport after a 14 hour shift......slash that....they're lucky to have a job!....Duty of Care, HUH!
The Budget over-run......easy solution to recoup costs.....impose a delivery levy.
Its all quite simple you see......its really just a matter of telling the staff
" DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO!"........with the full backing of a Coalition Government.
I can hear it now.............It's incredulous that such delays can be occurring in their production process. It is very disappointing! Who's in charge? If I was at the helm at EADS, this wouldn't be happening. I say cut and slash the existing 55,000 strong work-force. If we can't co-ordinate the production process in the Dozen or so precision facilities around France, Germany and Spain, send as much as we can offshore, to the point that the A380 can still be called European .......to Asia ....better still AKL, I say. What do you mean the Unions in Europe are strong? BLAH.... They told me that in Australia! We'll work around them. AWA's for all staff at all European Factories or should I say EWA's (European)......everyone on contracts, NO OVERTIME PAYMENTS, NO HOLIDAY PAYMENTS (Actually no holidays), NO LONG SEVICE LEAVE, NO BENEFITS whatsoever and most importantly pay everyone as little as possilble. Build in penalties if one is absent from work and also for failure to meet periodic production deadlines. We'll curb these cost overruns. Compensation from our workforce is only fair.
What do you mean they work a 35hour week! that's ridiculous......double it! ... and we'll be wanting massive increases in productivity!..... and be sure to remind them they are lucky to have a job.....or better still, if they don't like it ......just leave.
What do you mean we provide a fully catered lunch......slash that, they'll all be to busy to have lunch. Get rid of that 4-star lunch room facility with those comfortable tables and chairs. Absorb that space into our production area....they won't be needing that any longer. Space is money.
What do you mean we provide home transport after a 14 hour shift......slash that....they're lucky to have a job!....Duty of Care, HUH!
The Budget over-run......easy solution to recoup costs.....impose a delivery levy.
Its all quite simple you see......its really just a matter of telling the staff
" DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO!"........with the full backing of a Coalition Government.
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contacts perhaps?
some contacts, if enough people write in I am sure they would jump at the story.
http://seven.com.au/todaytonight/contact_suggest
http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/feedback/d...spx?formid=228
http://seven.com.au/todaytonight/contact_suggest
http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/feedback/d...spx?formid=228
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Well....Pegasus ,or any other FAAA rep watching this thread ...what do you think?
If you are going to go into negotiations with the company you have to have some clout behind your argument.If you think the company is going to compromise with you because you are being nice to them then you might as well stay back at FAAA headquarters and play solitaire.
The company will only negotiate and compromise if they think they have something to gain or more importantly something they can lose.If they are being hassled in the media about their attitude to Australian employees then they will be on the back foot and will want to do something to stop media reports ...
In any case we (By that I mean cabin crew and their representing body the FAAA) do not have anything to lose by giving interviews on this subject.The company is continually giving us a hard time as well as other sections of their workforce so why don't we dish some of that back.
Darth is just like the old playground bully ,he is fine as long as everyone backs away but the moment someone stands up to him in public he wilts...come on Pegasus ,give it a shot
If you are going to go into negotiations with the company you have to have some clout behind your argument.If you think the company is going to compromise with you because you are being nice to them then you might as well stay back at FAAA headquarters and play solitaire.
The company will only negotiate and compromise if they think they have something to gain or more importantly something they can lose.If they are being hassled in the media about their attitude to Australian employees then they will be on the back foot and will want to do something to stop media reports ...
In any case we (By that I mean cabin crew and their representing body the FAAA) do not have anything to lose by giving interviews on this subject.The company is continually giving us a hard time as well as other sections of their workforce so why don't we dish some of that back.
Darth is just like the old playground bully ,he is fine as long as everyone backs away but the moment someone stands up to him in public he wilts...come on Pegasus ,give it a shot
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I think the demise of Ansett highlighted that - admittedly there were other news stories at the time that took precedence, but really, with the introduction of Virgin and Jetstar, people just moved carriers and forgot about Ansett.
Whether we get renumerated according to what we have to do and whether we get promoted fairly won't be a big news story for most Aussies in my view. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be, but generally Aussies are fairly complacent and unless its going to directly affect them, then well look at why we have a Liberal Government....
But in any event, I'm pretty sure there are some vocal London crew returning to Australia soon who would also want to contribute to a news story if it got up