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Originally Posted by Gomam
No visible tattoos or body piercing (1 earring per ear is acceptable)
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School Certificate (yr 10 or equivalent)
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School Certificate (yr 10 or equivalent)
Year 10 only? Has Jetstar become so well known as a terrible employer that they have lowered the standard in that regard? (Not suggesting that the calibre of applicant would necessarily be any less - just it is a standard that has been lowered).
DJTibby -
I enjoyed my flying at Jetstar as the inflight service was cruisy and my colleagues were sensational(!). I also got more days of a month (both allocated and reserve where I wasn't required) than at Short Haul.
Unfortunately I found management to be absolute thugs. Terrible people who seem to take delight in demoralising and terrorising crew. What horrible people to work for
What HoHum says is ABSOLUTELY true! The contempt they show toward hard working, professional employees is disgusting. I am so glad not to be a part of it any longer.I would discourage anyone from working there. Even if it is to get a foot in the industry. Management really is that bad, in my opinion. I started as part of Impulse Airlines in 2000, where the pay was shocking (less than half of JQ Domestic) and conditions where almost non existant - but we were treated well by management and it made ALL the difference.
Is it true that the FAAA has nothing to do with the International operation? If that is case anyone who subscribes to this total sham has only themselves to blame when they are used, abused and then sacked for no reason. May as well be a strikebreaker I reckon.
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International PAY (or beans) will be less than current JQ domestic... Considering that a Yr 1 FA can earn about $45-50 K, I know that I wouldn't want to be on a lower wage.....No Union protection,,, Under a work choice agreement. Can be sacked for no reason.
Will be interesting to see the outcome of the seminars next week
But my advise to JQ domestic - DO IT.... That will push me up the career progression ladder
.... Next time it will be mine 
Will be interesting to see the outcome of the seminars next week
But my advise to JQ domestic - DO IT.... That will push me up the career progression ladder
.... Next time it will be mine
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What's a year one FA get with Jetstar?
I am happy to apply and hopefully work for Jetstar if I'm chosen. I want to be cabin crew at the end of the day, and you can't base everthing off one unhappy worker. I hear bad things about all airlines. Won't know til I work there. I don't know that I'm using Jetstar as a leap pad, because I may work there and adore it and be there for 7+ years. Hehe.
I am happy to apply and hopefully work for Jetstar if I'm chosen. I want to be cabin crew at the end of the day, and you can't base everthing off one unhappy worker. I hear bad things about all airlines. Won't know til I work there. I don't know that I'm using Jetstar as a leap pad, because I may work there and adore it and be there for 7+ years. Hehe.
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Originally Posted by HoHum
Of course they are all ex-you know who! Funny how that happened....... ),
Dont wish to start an argument about this, just wanted to put my bit in..
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Originally Posted by Sylphie
and you can't base everthing off one unhappy worker.
When I said I would discourage people from being employed by them I meant anyone who mattered to me - friends etc. I reckon Jetstar serves a purpose for young people who want to experience great staff travel and being a flight attendant for say two years. After that you become a liabilty for the company and they will make sure you realise that. (Thug-like Managers have let that one slip more than once.) The rosters, nepotism and harrassment from most managers is enough to make even the happiest and most loyal of employees want to leave. I saw it happy time and time again at Jetstar. Sad but extremely true. I never flew with anyone with more than two years seniority who wasn't looking for a way out. (Actually, in all fairness I can think of one...)
Having said the above there are a couple of positives about working at Jetstar - which I used to get me through the day. And it is possible to have an enjoyable time there having such great crew. I seldom had bad days out on the line.
The proposed EBA is far inferior to the expired one and the fact it has been voted down speaks for itself really. Also Jetstar have new crew pay for all these things like medicals, personality tests etc. before they even know if they have the job. Also remember they are now having new crew sign a bond ($5000?) that forces them to pay money not only if they leave at their own accord but if they are sacked too. That is simply appalling, in my opinion. And under the new agreement Jetstar also wants new crew to pay for their own accommodation if being trained oustide their base. The great costs aside the mere idea of that sort of thing sends shivers down my spine.
We at Impulse and QantasLink toiled to make the company a great place to work and we were renowned for great service. We certainly didn't work so hard for it to amount in the airline and employment conditions we see today at Jetstar. Please do not insult me, Sheet, by suggesting I am bitter and twisted. I am conveying my honest feelings openly. I make no apology that they differ from yours. How long have you been at the Company anyway? I bet it's less than two years.
There are many senior flight attendants at Jetstar who feel exactly the same way. At the end of the day we all make our own choices in life. But you are simply deluded if you think there is only one or two unhappy crew or that they are simply having a whinge.
For all newbies and hopefuls (I was one once!) just do not go into this with rose coloured glasses. Can you afford to pay for your accomodation if required for a six week intake? If you get sacked in the first year can you afford the bond?
I certainly hope that my posts are helping some people to make informed decisions. That is all I am trying to do. Having worked there for 5.5 years I feel more than qualified to pass on my experiences. You have people like Sheet who send almost threatening PMs to me telling me to "be careful". Yet people like Sheet who claim to love working at Jetstar will not back up these claims with examples. I have gone to trouble to pass on my experience and my opinions using examples and in an open and honest way. Only to have Sheet PM me and tell me I am bitter and twisted. Yeah right - I have stated what I liked about the company. Doesn't sound like someone who is downright negative to me!
Sheet, would I go to this much trouble if I were just having a whinge? No. I would offer useless one-line posts such as yours.
Good luck, Guys. Just KNOW what you are getting in to. Ask around. There are many people here who will share their true Jetstar experiences and feelings (the good, the bad and the ugly). If you want to hear them.
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I don't have any problem with your experienced opinion ditzyboy. I am just aware that in Australia we don't have much room to be picky, at least when entering the industry. If Jetstar decide to hire me after my assessment day[s] then great, a foot in the door and the rest is impossible to speculate.. I was just commenting that I can't really make any opinion as to how I will like the job and the company, until I am working there.
Yes, we have to give a bank cheque for the personality test. But money is money - easy come easy go.. and I can justify paying them for it. Plus, when you add up what you've spent on a suit[s] your nails and other fine details like your passport photo and the like, what is a little bit more?
The bond.. well that seems a biiit dodgy but I don't have any other information about it. Is that allowed?? I suppose it's more to prevent people from 'trying' the job out and ditching.. more than to sack people and still make a profit.. Plus, if you do your job right you won't get sacked.
Are you planning on resigning, ditzyboy?
Yes, we have to give a bank cheque for the personality test. But money is money - easy come easy go.. and I can justify paying them for it. Plus, when you add up what you've spent on a suit[s] your nails and other fine details like your passport photo and the like, what is a little bit more?
The bond.. well that seems a biiit dodgy but I don't have any other information about it. Is that allowed?? I suppose it's more to prevent people from 'trying' the job out and ditching.. more than to sack people and still make a profit.. Plus, if you do your job right you won't get sacked.
Are you planning on resigning, ditzyboy?
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Sylphie -
Yes the bond is in place. It is a bit dodgy, in my opinion. I am not saying for a second that the company would sack you just to have you pay the bond and make a profit. And, yes, it is for the purpose of covering the cost of training should someone 'try it out', as you say, and decide to leave. I don't agree with this practise but can see where they are going with that. What angers me is they can sack you - whether it be with reason or unfairly - and demand the bond back too. That is the ludicris part.
Honey with the IR laws the way they are and the management practice at Jetstar the way it is you could very well be sacked - even if you do your job right. I could rattle off a large number of incidents where management have victimised employees who have done nothing wrong, or based on hearsay with total lack of evidence. It happened more times than I care to remember and it depresses me that it has happened again only recently. A flight attendant refused to act outside the job she is employed to do and was stood down all the same. The Company just made up their own rules. It is referenced on the FAAA website, should you care to look it up.
Regarding me... I no longer work at Jetstar. I took a Career Progression slot to Short Haul.
You sound as if you are happy to give it a go. Great. Just be cautious and know exactly what you are subscribing to, regarding bonds and paying for accommodation etc. I think it is wonderful you are willing to pay so much money for to be employed at Jetstar. You are obviously very keen and would be a great flight attendant. Unfortunately Jetstar will use you enthusiasm to abuse you. Having you agree to a bond and pay for training accommodation is evidence of this very fact. As long as you get out of the experience what you set out to achieve then it is all good. Though I feel that it is getting more and more difficult.
Yes the bond is in place. It is a bit dodgy, in my opinion. I am not saying for a second that the company would sack you just to have you pay the bond and make a profit. And, yes, it is for the purpose of covering the cost of training should someone 'try it out', as you say, and decide to leave. I don't agree with this practise but can see where they are going with that. What angers me is they can sack you - whether it be with reason or unfairly - and demand the bond back too. That is the ludicris part.
Honey with the IR laws the way they are and the management practice at Jetstar the way it is you could very well be sacked - even if you do your job right. I could rattle off a large number of incidents where management have victimised employees who have done nothing wrong, or based on hearsay with total lack of evidence. It happened more times than I care to remember and it depresses me that it has happened again only recently. A flight attendant refused to act outside the job she is employed to do and was stood down all the same. The Company just made up their own rules. It is referenced on the FAAA website, should you care to look it up.
Regarding me... I no longer work at Jetstar. I took a Career Progression slot to Short Haul.
You sound as if you are happy to give it a go. Great. Just be cautious and know exactly what you are subscribing to, regarding bonds and paying for accommodation etc. I think it is wonderful you are willing to pay so much money for to be employed at Jetstar. You are obviously very keen and would be a great flight attendant. Unfortunately Jetstar will use you enthusiasm to abuse you. Having you agree to a bond and pay for training accommodation is evidence of this very fact. As long as you get out of the experience what you set out to achieve then it is all good. Though I feel that it is getting more and more difficult.
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It All True
To all of you looking at joining Jetstar read Ditzyboys posts. Thats sadly how it is at Jetstar. I like many others have moved on, I really thought it was ths the worst job I ever had. For all of the same reasons in Ditzyboys posts it just wasnt for me.
Think about joining seriously before you take the plunge, there are some happy staff there but many many staff who just dont want to be there. I would suggest you seriously consider all other options..
Think about joining seriously before you take the plunge, there are some happy staff there but many many staff who just dont want to be there. I would suggest you seriously consider all other options..
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Well said Ditz mate...
To answer a previous question posed of me from DJTibby.... read Ditzyboys (and Grove's) posts - they have summed it up extremely well. We worked together and we (like many of our collegues) are happier that we left, but the company has lost so many of its good staff in this process.... 
I would have loved to stay, but the conditions became so bad - I had very little chocie if I wanted to keep my sanity!
I worked at JQ (and its donor company) for many, many years and could not handle the heavy handed and undermined tactics used by JQ management. It was a sad situation and one that I am continually hearing since my departure.
Everything that Ditz wrote is unfortunatley true and it is such a shame to see where the company which had so much potential has been taken..........
So yeah, I might seem to hate JQ with a passion DJTibby, but I don't hate the staff - a few of my old crew mates are still there. As for them I feel sorry and console them when they tell me how bad it has become.
But I, like the others, left for a reason - we all worked very hard to get the airline to where it was about 2 years ago, and for our reward, we were treated with contempt and bad management styles all because it became a "new-budget airline"......allowances dissappeared and conditions got worse and worse each day.... Even the Manager who stood up and told us that our conditions and pay would not change when we became JQ dissappeared within less than 3 mths after the changeover !! What does that tell you??
To anyone thinking I am just plain bitter - No I am not, I am just telling it as it is (or was!) To sum it up - I have had the experience to make a qualified decision about the goings-on in JQ, and it seems that if you ask anyone who has spent more than 3 years there - they will tell you the same.
The crew are a great bunch of guys and gals, and the way that JQ stands now, it is a great way to try the position of Crew if you are desperate enough to want it, but if you are necessarily looking at a quick way to QF... then I would consider something else..... the crew progression list is sooooo long and I would be surprised if you would stay long enough in those bad conditions to see yourself finally get through to QF shorthaul.
Oh, and my comment to other "ex" crew DJTibby....once again a reference to the Management and their practices at JQ....
I have many great friends from many airlines who I do not have a problem with. It is just very funny that when the Crew Base Manager positions came up in JQ - ALL of them went to outside staff who were ALL from a particular company. No need telling you where the Manager deciding who got the jobs was from!!! Need I say more ? (I think the old reference - Jobs for the boys is appropriate in this situation)
But that is how they run things there...... if you are going, just be prepared to be worked hard, looked over at promotion time, and not be treated like a person or with any respect
I've ranted enough but you wanted the facts....Nuff said from me ...
We worked together and we (like many of our collegues) are happier that we left, but the company has lost so many of its good staff in this process.... I would have loved to stay, but the conditions became so bad - I had very little chocie if I wanted to keep my sanity! I worked at JQ (and its donor company) for many, many years and could not handle the heavy handed and undermined tactics used by JQ management. It was a sad situation and one that I am continually hearing since my departure.
Everything that Ditz wrote is unfortunatley true and it is such a shame to see where the company which had so much potential has been taken..........
So yeah, I might seem to hate JQ with a passion DJTibby, but I don't hate the staff - a few of my old crew mates are still there. As for them I feel sorry and console them when they tell me how bad it has become.
But I, like the others, left for a reason - we all worked very hard to get the airline to where it was about 2 years ago, and for our reward, we were treated with contempt and bad management styles all because it became a "new-budget airline"......allowances dissappeared and conditions got worse and worse each day.... Even the Manager who stood up and told us that our conditions and pay would not change when we became JQ dissappeared within less than 3 mths after the changeover !! What does that tell you??
To anyone thinking I am just plain bitter - No I am not, I am just telling it as it is (or was!) To sum it up - I have had the experience to make a qualified decision about the goings-on in JQ, and it seems that if you ask anyone who has spent more than 3 years there - they will tell you the same.
The crew are a great bunch of guys and gals, and the way that JQ stands now, it is a great way to try the position of Crew if you are desperate enough to want it, but if you are necessarily looking at a quick way to QF... then I would consider something else..... the crew progression list is sooooo long and I would be surprised if you would stay long enough in those bad conditions to see yourself finally get through to QF shorthaul.
Oh, and my comment to other "ex" crew DJTibby....once again a reference to the Management and their practices at JQ....
I have many great friends from many airlines who I do not have a problem with. It is just very funny that when the Crew Base Manager positions came up in JQ - ALL of them went to outside staff who were ALL from a particular company. No need telling you where the Manager deciding who got the jobs was from!!! Need I say more ? (I think the old reference - Jobs for the boys is appropriate in this situation)
But that is how they run things there...... if you are going, just be prepared to be worked hard, looked over at promotion time, and not be treated like a person or with any respect
I've ranted enough but you wanted the facts....Nuff said from me
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Oh no I didn't doubt any of you, that is such a shame! I am really really sad now as it feels like there are no options left for me! I though Jetstar would be good to work for, I don't want to be used and abused! 
I feel like a have no options now to acheive my dream of cabin crew what am I going to do? 
I didn't doubt any of you, that is such a shame! I am really really sad now as it feels like there are no options left for me! I though Jetstar would be good to work for, I don't want to be used and abused! I feel like a have no options now to acheive my dream of cabin crew what am I going to do?
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DJTibby, I'm as desperate as you, and so, should the opportunity arise, I will gladly accept with JQ. I have no dependants, and so the lousy money I'd make, the crap treatment etc wouldn't bother me as I don't necessarily need great pay (sure, it'd be nice, but I am surviving as a high school student as it is, I don't think I could get less pay in a full-time job at JQ as I am currently getting now from Centrelink...! And a part-time job at the lib... so yeh! Plus I have no mortgage and nuffin left to pay on my car.. so its no biggy.
Its great theat peeps such as HoHum and ditzyboy are telling us the ins and outs of JQ... but its still shocking to believe.. and I wanna see it for myself, and if it really affects me, theres no doubt I'll be gas-bagging here with you Ppruners
Fingers crossed!
Its great theat peeps such as HoHum and ditzyboy are telling us the ins and outs of JQ... but its still shocking to believe.. and I wanna see it for myself, and if it really affects me, theres no doubt I'll be gas-bagging here with you Ppruners
Fingers crossed!
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the lousy money I'd make
It isn't the money, dudes, it's the treatment from management that is simply inhumane at best.
Give Jetstar you go if you like - just know what you are getting in to. Money and days off are OK and staff travel is great. In all honesty though it is a short term sort of thing - not the career it once was. After two years you will be itching to leave, be assured. The spiralling conditions and poor treatment by management really is that bad!
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Well, I'm not going to get that far ahead of myself, otherwise I'll be disappointed if I don't get invited for another interview. But yeah, I see myself hopefully having a long career as an F/A, whether it is with Jetstar or a series of airlines I do not know. So a short term goal of 2 years is kind of an idea for myself.
Tell me, the bond money, ditzyboy, what's the minimum amount of time you can work for the company that requires bond payment, or is it an indefinite thing that if you leave at all you are to pay up!?
Assessment day tomorrow. So nervous but more relaxed than my VB day.
Tell me, the bond money, ditzyboy, what's the minimum amount of time you can work for the company that requires bond payment, or is it an indefinite thing that if you leave at all you are to pay up!?
Assessment day tomorrow. So nervous but more relaxed than my VB day.
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goodness.. i havent posted on here in over a year or so.. things have been very busy but it was only recently i thought i would pop back on to see whats news.
i am current cabin crew with JQ - and let me tell you all after reading the posts on there.. please dont believe that there are nasty people running round trying to deter you from beginning your flying career.. because they are not. Everything they have said however, is true.. sad as it is.
Its not really the money. its definatly liveable and although we lost alot from our pays when we became JQ over two years ago, its is not a bad salary, basic and average, but not bad.
It really is the management and the way we are treated. Its not only depressing, its demoralising to have to work for a company that seem to try so hard to almost MAKE you want to leave. A great example, (i will not even mention the EBA) is this recent international thing. We were told that we would have first dibs at transferring across and progressing to the international operation, and after they have got all the crew they wanted, they would recruit from the general public.
Sad how applications opened on the Jetstar website almost four days before the letter of invitation was sent internally to crew, and we then find out that not only do we have to interview with the general public (from stage one) but that we dont have any special consideration for the positions.
Those of us that have applied now have been given only days to go out and find a suit.. (because we cant wear uniform.. its a public assessment day) and somehow figure out how to make our first aid certificates current in time for the interviews (because we never had to keep ours current as we had internal first aid training every year that was what the company required.. but now refuses to accept for interviews.. after they told us that we didnt need to keep up our external first aid qualifications too!)
Anyway.. as ditzyboy and others have said.. Jetstar is great for a short term thing, to get the staff travel and say you've 'been a flight attendant' but really, long term it isnt viable for more than a few years.
Dont do it if you 'want to see the world' as you wont get a chance to.. we dont have overnights and the chance of you getting annual leave in a decent slot to let you get anywhere in the world on standby is minimal.
As it is at the moment, they are openly discrimating between new crew and old crew, giving new crew any overnights that are available, days off on weekends and great rostering patterns with lots of available days.. older crew get awful rosters and yet again told (although never so that there are witnesses) that our lifespan with the company is up.
and our CEO and upper management just sit in their offices with their million dollar payrises and business class travel and laugh.
just be warned is all.
i am current cabin crew with JQ - and let me tell you all after reading the posts on there.. please dont believe that there are nasty people running round trying to deter you from beginning your flying career.. because they are not. Everything they have said however, is true.. sad as it is.
Its not really the money. its definatly liveable and although we lost alot from our pays when we became JQ over two years ago, its is not a bad salary, basic and average, but not bad.
It really is the management and the way we are treated. Its not only depressing, its demoralising to have to work for a company that seem to try so hard to almost MAKE you want to leave. A great example, (i will not even mention the EBA) is this recent international thing. We were told that we would have first dibs at transferring across and progressing to the international operation, and after they have got all the crew they wanted, they would recruit from the general public.
Sad how applications opened on the Jetstar website almost four days before the letter of invitation was sent internally to crew, and we then find out that not only do we have to interview with the general public (from stage one) but that we dont have any special consideration for the positions.
Those of us that have applied now have been given only days to go out and find a suit.. (because we cant wear uniform.. its a public assessment day) and somehow figure out how to make our first aid certificates current in time for the interviews (because we never had to keep ours current as we had internal first aid training every year that was what the company required.. but now refuses to accept for interviews.. after they told us that we didnt need to keep up our external first aid qualifications too!)
Anyway.. as ditzyboy and others have said.. Jetstar is great for a short term thing, to get the staff travel and say you've 'been a flight attendant' but really, long term it isnt viable for more than a few years.
Dont do it if you 'want to see the world' as you wont get a chance to.. we dont have overnights and the chance of you getting annual leave in a decent slot to let you get anywhere in the world on standby is minimal.
As it is at the moment, they are openly discrimating between new crew and old crew, giving new crew any overnights that are available, days off on weekends and great rostering patterns with lots of available days.. older crew get awful rosters and yet again told (although never so that there are witnesses) that our lifespan with the company is up.
and our CEO and upper management just sit in their offices with their million dollar payrises and business class travel and laugh.
just be warned is all.
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Seeing as though this is a rumour network, i'll add some fuel to the fire.
Heard a discussion a few days ago about the widebody operation. It seems that yes they are trying to make it difficult for current FA's to join the JQ International operation. According to someone who has a bit to do with the recruitment, they want to hire new flight attendants with a "Fresh approach". Because old staff, bring old views.
I'm sure by this, they mean find staff who will be more than happy to strap on industrial vacuum cleaners at the end of their 10/11 hour back of the clock flight to clean the aircraft.
Heard a discussion a few days ago about the widebody operation. It seems that yes they are trying to make it difficult for current FA's to join the JQ International operation. According to someone who has a bit to do with the recruitment, they want to hire new flight attendants with a "Fresh approach". Because old staff, bring old views.
I'm sure by this, they mean find staff who will be more than happy to strap on industrial vacuum cleaners at the end of their 10/11 hour back of the clock flight to clean the aircraft.
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So true so true so true
Scarily enough - that is probably what they will want the poor crew to do......
So are they saying that the current crew are not doing a good enough job, hence they will not let them transfer into the international side when it happens?? Oh, what has the Australian aviation industry become?
And yes, sad that the management sit there in their high paid office jobs, travel in first class on staff travel and enjoy all the trimmings, while patting themselves on their own backs as to how well they are doing, never mind what they are doing to the workforce in the process... how do they sleep with themselves at night? - one can only wonder!!
At least there is the EAP for the crew, I am sure many will need to use it once they are burnt out by the company.......
So are they saying that the current crew are not doing a good enough job, hence they will not let them transfer into the international side when it happens?? Oh, what has the Australian aviation industry become?
And yes, sad that the management sit there in their high paid office jobs, travel in first class on staff travel and enjoy all the trimmings, while patting themselves on their own backs as to how well they are doing, never mind what they are doing to the workforce in the process... how do they sleep with themselves at night? - one can only wonder!!
At least there is the EAP for the crew, I am sure many will need to use it once they are burnt out by the company.......
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Originally Posted by HoHum
how do they sleep with themselves at night? - one can only wonder!!
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