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Originally Posted by ShesGreatintheGalley
goodness..
As it is at the moment, they are openly discrimating between new crew and old crew, giving new crew any overnights that are available, days off on weekends and great rostering patterns with lots of available days.. older crew get awful rosters and yet again told (although never so that there are witnesses) that our lifespan with the company is up..
As it is at the moment, they are openly discrimating between new crew and old crew, giving new crew any overnights that are available, days off on weekends and great rostering patterns with lots of available days.. older crew get awful rosters and yet again told (although never so that there are witnesses) that our lifespan with the company is up..
Instead of sour grapes over overnights, which incidentally will disappear once crewing levels are back to where they should be, maybe we should be fighting for a union rep to oversee rostering
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Your union reps could do with all the help they can get. Scanning the master rosters is a very time consuming task...and the reps do the best between balancing flying (they are all full time crew), answering phone calls from members, etc.
Fighting for a union rep to check the rosters??...how about crew actually putting their hands up to assist the current reps?
For what it's worth of late, the union reps continually have their hands full, from dealing with the EBA negotiations, disciplinaries, and so on.
Fighting for a union rep to check the rosters??...how about crew actually putting their hands up to assist the current reps?
For what it's worth of late, the union reps continually have their hands full, from dealing with the EBA negotiations, disciplinaries, and so on.
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1st Year Base Wage for Jetstar
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Who can tell me what the 1st year base wage is for jetstar? How much does this go up each year? How much extra do you get for being a cabin manager? Is Jetstar recruiting now? If so for which state?
why are people bagging jetstar so much for? to me jetstar sounds similar to virgin blue?
low budget airline, some cabin service.......
the interview process sounds like, you pay a lot of money but when do you actually get looked at? is it a group interview or a one on one?
many thanks, zoom-zoom
Who can tell me what the 1st year base wage is for jetstar? How much does this go up each year? How much extra do you get for being a cabin manager? Is Jetstar recruiting now? If so for which state?why are people bagging jetstar so much for? to me jetstar sounds similar to virgin blue?
low budget airline, some cabin service.......the interview process sounds like, you pay a lot of money but when do you actually get looked at? is it a group interview or a one on one?
many thanks, zoom-zoom
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ZoomZoom: Its completley irrelevant what kind of airline/what kind of service it does.. in this case its all about the morale/support.
DJ get hammered.. they work hard.. but they (seem to) have a supportive management structure and some perks which keep mostly everyone happy.. they love the company and what it stands for. Sadly.. ask any JQ flighty if they truly LOVE the company, management and what it stands for (and i am not talking about loving the fellow crew) and you wont get many (if any) people raise their hands. We are in this because we A) Love Flying B) believe we can provide a safe, professional flying environment in the cabin for our pax and we only stick with it because C) we love our fellow crew. Its said many times.. if the crew were not so great, a hell of a lot would leave, pilots and cabin crew.
jetstarFA: i am glad to see that you did get some overnights.. you seem to be in a minority of sorts.. either way - some crew didnt get ANY. So its a really fair rostering system dont you think? As for the union rep.. i hear he works his ass off checking the rosters.. and gets a generally average to sometimes ****ty roster because of his position. As MrSeatback2 says.. they need more crew support.. the union support in this company is ridiculous.. i agree.. it dosent look like they are doing much with the whole "we dont agree with this EBA but vote it in anyway cos its the best you will get" but there's only looking up.. we cant really get any lower in the bucket.. can we?
DJ get hammered.. they work hard.. but they (seem to) have a supportive management structure and some perks which keep mostly everyone happy.. they love the company and what it stands for. Sadly.. ask any JQ flighty if they truly LOVE the company, management and what it stands for (and i am not talking about loving the fellow crew) and you wont get many (if any) people raise their hands. We are in this because we A) Love Flying B) believe we can provide a safe, professional flying environment in the cabin for our pax and we only stick with it because C) we love our fellow crew. Its said many times.. if the crew were not so great, a hell of a lot would leave, pilots and cabin crew.
jetstarFA: i am glad to see that you did get some overnights.. you seem to be in a minority of sorts.. either way - some crew didnt get ANY. So its a really fair rostering system dont you think? As for the union rep.. i hear he works his ass off checking the rosters.. and gets a generally average to sometimes ****ty roster because of his position. As MrSeatback2 says.. they need more crew support.. the union support in this company is ridiculous.. i agree.. it dosent look like they are doing much with the whole "we dont agree with this EBA but vote it in anyway cos its the best you will get" but there's only looking up.. we cant really get any lower in the bucket.. can we?
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Yeah at the assessment they actually tell you that you will get little to no overnights. The lead recruiter tried to keep it as a positive saying that 'here at Jetstar we realise you all have families and loved ones and we like that you come home to them each night or morning. It's also another way to cut costs" or something close to that wording. I guess this appealed to the older applicants on the day with teenagers or late primary school kids. And at least she was frank regarding the 'real' reason, hehe. I don't mind too much. Having no overnights may be a nice way to ease into the lifestyle as a beginner FA.
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you can expect to take home a min $1100 after tax each fortnight i think. it could be less for newer first year FAs.. mrSeatback2 may know
as for the training wage? i dont know.. i thought it may of been unpaid (!) when i was trained years ago we had a take home wage of about $300/week after tax.. it is probably simmilar although it wouldnt suprise me if it was unpaid thesedays
as for the training wage? i dont know.. i thought it may of been unpaid (!) when i was trained years ago we had a take home wage of about $300/week after tax.. it is probably simmilar although it wouldnt suprise me if it was unpaid thesedays
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HAHA ZoomZoom darling.. what were you expecting?
Yes, we work long hours.. with minimum rest between flights. If you get days off.. some people will spend an entire day sleeping to catch up.. sometimes you only get a single day off in between a block of ten or twelve shifts which dosent leave you much time.
Roster varies from earlies to lates, generally a healthy mix with only about two days off in between to adjust.. then back to the former again as soon as your body has become slightly used to it.
This is NOT the industry (esp domestically here in OZ) where if youlove your social life and weekends, you will love flying. because the chances of you getting to go out on weekends are practically nil. You WILL develop strange hours and find it difficult to catch up with friends who work the normal 9-5 routine.. You will get used to coming home from a 9.5 hour day without a proper break for dinner (sometimes not even 20 mins) and having to pee whilst taxiing to the runway cos there is no time to do it during a 25 min HOT turnaround and the pax spend all flight queuing for the loos... Its an easy job.. but make no mistake.. its ******* exhausting and its something that you either love or hate. Flying isnt a job.. its a lifestyle and it runs your life. you learn to fit in things like medical appointments, family gatherings and basic food shopping AROUND the beck and call of the crewing department.
But for some of us.. perhaps pain is pleasure in a way.. i still love flying and the way it destroys my lifestyle.. but its def. no picnic.
Yes, we work long hours.. with minimum rest between flights. If you get days off.. some people will spend an entire day sleeping to catch up.. sometimes you only get a single day off in between a block of ten or twelve shifts which dosent leave you much time.
Roster varies from earlies to lates, generally a healthy mix with only about two days off in between to adjust.. then back to the former again as soon as your body has become slightly used to it.
This is NOT the industry (esp domestically here in OZ) where if youlove your social life and weekends, you will love flying. because the chances of you getting to go out on weekends are practically nil. You WILL develop strange hours and find it difficult to catch up with friends who work the normal 9-5 routine.. You will get used to coming home from a 9.5 hour day without a proper break for dinner (sometimes not even 20 mins) and having to pee whilst taxiing to the runway cos there is no time to do it during a 25 min HOT turnaround and the pax spend all flight queuing for the loos... Its an easy job.. but make no mistake.. its ******* exhausting and its something that you either love or hate. Flying isnt a job.. its a lifestyle and it runs your life. you learn to fit in things like medical appointments, family gatherings and basic food shopping AROUND the beck and call of the crewing department.
But for some of us.. perhaps pain is pleasure in a way.. i still love flying and the way it destroys my lifestyle.. but its def. no picnic.
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its disappointing that an airline whom is under the qantas window pays so poorly.......i understand the lifestyle, but, you need money to survive ah!
do you know, are they recruiting now? are you guys short on staff? do a lot of the current jetstar crew - do they want to move over to international?
its disappointing that an airline whom is under the qantas window pays so poorly.......i understand the lifestyle, but, you need money to survive ah!
do you know, are they recruiting now? are you guys short on staff? do a lot of the current jetstar crew - do they want to move over to international?
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EAA is also a subsidary company of qantas and their pay is just as bad.. if not much worse! Thats a pretty basic base pay for a domestic FA here in oz.. you add on top any overnight allowances etc which could bring it up to $1600 or so.. but with us.. not so much.
Yes, we are short of crew.. badly. Yes they are recruiting.. for most bases i expect.. if there was ever a good chance to get your base of choice.. now would be it.
Quite a few ppl have applied to go to International, but as we discussed earlier.. Management are not making it easy and when it comes down to it and we are shown the contract.. i expect most will pull out and stay at domestic. Rumor has it the International Pay will be worse.. if not the same.. and conditions much worse. Quote one JQ manager : "If you think its bad at domestic.. you will HATE international!"
You will get QF staff travel with us but you have to wait six months first.
Yes, we are short of crew.. badly. Yes they are recruiting.. for most bases i expect.. if there was ever a good chance to get your base of choice.. now would be it.
Quite a few ppl have applied to go to International, but as we discussed earlier.. Management are not making it easy and when it comes down to it and we are shown the contract.. i expect most will pull out and stay at domestic. Rumor has it the International Pay will be worse.. if not the same.. and conditions much worse. Quote one JQ manager : "If you think its bad at domestic.. you will HATE international!"
You will get QF staff travel with us but you have to wait six months first.
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I've heard that 17000 people have applied online.
Don't know how true that is.
Yeah Eastern FA's get a crappy base salary too. I know this 'cause I know someone who was interested in applying so they spoke to a base manager. The person would earn a significant amount more working for JQ as a CSO.
Don't know how true that is.
Yeah Eastern FA's get a crappy base salary too. I know this 'cause I know someone who was interested in applying so they spoke to a base manager. The person would earn a significant amount more working for JQ as a CSO.
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i heard that too also. dosent suprise me.. i expect majority are outsiders.. as i really dont htink there are that many ppl that want to fly LH with whats been offered
are you going?
i heard that too also. dosent suprise me.. i expect majority are outsiders.. as i really dont htink there are that many ppl that want to fly LH with whats been offered
are you going?
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Originally Posted by ShesGreatintheGalley
airbusthreetwenty:
i heard that too also. dosent suprise me.. i expect majority are outsiders.. as i really dont htink there are that many ppl that want to fly LH with whats been offered
are you going?
i heard that too also. dosent suprise me.. i expect majority are outsiders.. as i really dont htink there are that many ppl that want to fly LH with whats been offered
are you going?
I've thought about applying. But yeah, i'm of half a mind about it all. I'd like to fly longhaul, but I don't want to fly longhaul that badly.
Also, I'm on holidays for 5 weeks in Late September/October. Which would be during the training period I would imagine.
So yeah!
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Apparently the average pay for first years is around $45k, maybe a little more... My last year at Jetstar I got $54k. (I got more in the years before that at QFLink though.) My average fortnightly pay was around $1500 after tax.
As repeatedly stated the pay is not the issue here - it is totally comparable with the regionals.
The bond means if you resign or you are sacked (whether with cause or just because they don't like you) within the first year you must pay them $5000. (I think that is the figure.)
You will also have to pay for accommodation if the intake is in a port other than your home base.
Both the above are terrible practices and indicitive of how management at Jetstar make you think you owe them a favour for the privilege of being employed by them.
Sylphie -
Having no overnights is actually quite nice for a change. I had only one in my last year at Jetstar. (We did 2 per month at Impulse and 8-12 per month at QFLink.) It was good to be at home more, get more of a routine and you definately see family and friends more. I have now gone back to doing overnights. I have 14. It is great(!) for my bank account balance but I am tired and my wheelie bag never makes it past the laundry now
There is a good and bad side to most situations I guess.
If anyone could take me back to the five day ROK trips we did at QFLink I would be there in a second!!! So would She'sGreatInTheGalley too, from what I hear
Anyone remember the Overnights thread we did? That was funny.
As repeatedly stated the pay is not the issue here - it is totally comparable with the regionals.
The bond means if you resign or you are sacked (whether with cause or just because they don't like you) within the first year you must pay them $5000. (I think that is the figure.)
You will also have to pay for accommodation if the intake is in a port other than your home base.
Both the above are terrible practices and indicitive of how management at Jetstar make you think you owe them a favour for the privilege of being employed by them.
Sylphie -
Having no overnights is actually quite nice for a change. I had only one in my last year at Jetstar. (We did 2 per month at Impulse and 8-12 per month at QFLink.) It was good to be at home more, get more of a routine and you definately see family and friends more. I have now gone back to doing overnights. I have 14. It is great(!) for my bank account balance but I am tired and my wheelie bag never makes it past the laundry now
There is a good and bad side to most situations I guess.If anyone could take me back to the five day ROK trips we did at QFLink I would be there in a second!!! So would She'sGreatInTheGalley too, from what I hear
Anyone remember the Overnights thread we did? That was funny.
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Overnights
Overnights are not the be all end all of the world... Yes they help the bank balance which is great but they are tiring..... I read these posts and all i see is people go on and on and on about overnights... Yet walk into the SYD crew room and there are like 5 people saying "TAKE MY OVERNIGHTS"... never going to make everyone happy all of the time.... And trust me I am never happy... People in the crew room go on about it and whinge and whine and management hear about it and willl probably make the effort not to give crew O/N's for whinging about it so much....
If anything be happy for the crew who get them ..... We do support each other don't we.... Well, we can now from home with eOSCAR.....
You have less rest (10 hours) and work more hours (65 hrs in a 6 day period) 1 day off and then back into it....Um,,
Ditzy- we lost the union rep for rosters as they wouldn't allow a bank of days for the rep to go through the rosters,,,, we are on our own now.
My average pay is about $1200 - $1350 per fortnight... which is not that bad... I never nominate my days live either....Just going late the whole time allows a bit of overtime... Sometimes less....???
But remember that JQ will only get $1200 - $1350 worth of work out of me...
None of this Free flying miners to Canberra and promotional day rubbish.... Leave that to the supermodels of the past thank you
If anything be happy for the crew who get them ..... We do support each other don't we.... Well, we can now from home with eOSCAR.....
You have less rest (10 hours) and work more hours (65 hrs in a 6 day period) 1 day off and then back into it....Um,,
Ditzy- we lost the union rep for rosters as they wouldn't allow a bank of days for the rep to go through the rosters,,,, we are on our own now.
My average pay is about $1200 - $1350 per fortnight... which is not that bad... I never nominate my days live either....Just going late the whole time allows a bit of overtime... Sometimes less....???
But remember that JQ will only get $1200 - $1350 worth of work out of me...
None of this Free flying miners to Canberra and promotional day rubbish.... Leave that to the supermodels of the past thank you
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JetstarFA: you have said you have been here for only two years, which means you were not around during the peak of the QFlink days where we had six crews in hobart EVERY SINGLE NIGHT and it was a blast!
You came into the company expecting no overnights because you were recruited and applied for Jetstar.. so did all the newer crew who are now trying to advertise theirs to give away.
i didnt -
and i miss them.
Ahh.. those ROK/MKYs... and HBAs... remember the days?
You came into the company expecting no overnights because you were recruited and applied for Jetstar.. so did all the newer crew who are now trying to advertise theirs to give away.
i didnt -
and i miss them.
Ahh.. those ROK/MKYs... and HBAs... remember the days?
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Originally Posted by ShesGreatintheGalley
JetstarFA: you have said you have been here for only two years, which means you were not around during the peak of the QFlink days where we had six crews in hobart EVERY SINGLE NIGHT and it was a blast!
You came into the company expecting no overnights because you were recruited and applied for Jetstar.. so did all the newer crew who are now trying to advertise theirs to give away.
i didnt -
and i miss them.
Ahh.. those ROK/MKYs... and HBAs... remember the days?
You came into the company expecting no overnights because you were recruited and applied for Jetstar.. so did all the newer crew who are now trying to advertise theirs to give away.
i didnt -
and i miss them.
Ahh.. those ROK/MKYs... and HBAs... remember the days?
I am all to aware of the ROK, MKY OOL and HBA overnights that I had when I was with qantaslink...I am now with Jetstar.
So I was recruited with the expectation of being away from my family/children and I was ok with that.......
When Jetstar started I was told that there would be NO overnights and I was OK with that.....
And the crew who were giving away there O/N's were a mix of old and new crew.....
AND I do remember the days......
