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Congraturations for those who got accepted! You must be so so excited..!
Also, I thought they are basically calling applicants by the order of shortlist but apparently not. I can't help but a bit shocked by this fact. Let's hope that we're next those who are still waiting, my fingers have been crossed so tight for so long I think they look kind of blue-ish now. lol
So the training is in July. I wonder if they have already filled that one or still under process..
Also, I thought they are basically calling applicants by the order of shortlist but apparently not. I can't help but a bit shocked by this fact. Let's hope that we're next those who are still waiting, my fingers have been crossed so tight for so long I think they look kind of blue-ish now. lol So the training is in July. I wonder if they have already filled that one or still under process..
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Letsfly & JB_OZ, i couldnt agree more. i just dont see the logic behind MAM hiring more people. there simply isnt enough work as it is.
i kinda feel bad for people who are applying and now being told they have ground school dates- bcos i was SOOOO excited 18mths ago just like you guys when i started training with MAM. But im sorry to say it hasnt really been a totally positive experience. Yes the people ive met and freinds ive made have been fantastic, the actual work itself is great too- but the reality of being a casual flight attendant with MAM/Qantas is really not something id recommend to anyone.
My close girlfriend initially had interviews etc with MAM a few months ago, but bcos i care about her and bcos of my experience as shes seen it, we've had a few long chats about the pros & cons, and she decided not to pursue it any further. she the same age as me (31) and just like me would like some stability with money, and finances etc- which we just have not had with MAM.
i guess if nothing else its an exciting experience that even if you only do it for a year or so once in your lifetime then its something to remember. theres been lots of good stuff- but unfortuantely its been tainted by struggling to pay bills, counting all your pennies and dealing with your own questions of 'when do i leave and say enough is enough' and hanging in there 'just a little bit longer bcos this month wasnt so bad' to see if it will improve. for me and a few of my friends, right about now is when enough is enough. i dont want to sound like im being negative when people are so excited- bcos that seems so mean.....but honestly if you have serious financial issues like a mortgage, or something along those lines, pls think seriously about giving up a secure job/wage to take up with MAM. If you have no financial commitments then i guess you have the luxury of just taking a chance!
i just hope people are aware of what the situation is so they dont get a huge disappointment down the track.
i kinda feel bad for people who are applying and now being told they have ground school dates- bcos i was SOOOO excited 18mths ago just like you guys when i started training with MAM. But im sorry to say it hasnt really been a totally positive experience. Yes the people ive met and freinds ive made have been fantastic, the actual work itself is great too- but the reality of being a casual flight attendant with MAM/Qantas is really not something id recommend to anyone.
My close girlfriend initially had interviews etc with MAM a few months ago, but bcos i care about her and bcos of my experience as shes seen it, we've had a few long chats about the pros & cons, and she decided not to pursue it any further. she the same age as me (31) and just like me would like some stability with money, and finances etc- which we just have not had with MAM.
i guess if nothing else its an exciting experience that even if you only do it for a year or so once in your lifetime then its something to remember. theres been lots of good stuff- but unfortuantely its been tainted by struggling to pay bills, counting all your pennies and dealing with your own questions of 'when do i leave and say enough is enough' and hanging in there 'just a little bit longer bcos this month wasnt so bad' to see if it will improve. for me and a few of my friends, right about now is when enough is enough. i dont want to sound like im being negative when people are so excited- bcos that seems so mean.....but honestly if you have serious financial issues like a mortgage, or something along those lines, pls think seriously about giving up a secure job/wage to take up with MAM. If you have no financial commitments then i guess you have the luxury of just taking a chance!
i just hope people are aware of what the situation is so they dont get a huge disappointment down the track.
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have been with mam nearly 4 years, and im glad to say I am resigning! Its not the job but the company which makes me unhappy. Its the handballing between qantas and mam regarding issues which is most annoying. Also the fact that they make you not required, and all of a sudden you get a txt msg. "we need crew this weekend etc etc" Well I am not ringing up crewing to make myself available. You decided to make me non av, you can deal with the problem!
I am not jaded or angry, i am past that. I am so happy to have made my decision and lined up a job elsewhere to go to. Guys all I can say is no matter how good the money is, at the end of the day if you are not happy leave. Its the best decision I have ever made, sure I will miss flying, my mates there, but i wont miss the early starts!, the bitching between casuals, and the blatent bull**** from cabin crew management and maurice!
how much notice does one need to give?
I am not jaded or angry, i am past that. I am so happy to have made my decision and lined up a job elsewhere to go to. Guys all I can say is no matter how good the money is, at the end of the day if you are not happy leave. Its the best decision I have ever made, sure I will miss flying, my mates there, but i wont miss the early starts!, the bitching between casuals, and the blatent bull**** from cabin crew management and maurice!
how much notice does one need to give?
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Mamslave,
It certainly is a shame it has come to that. I myself am waiting on a few other opportunities to come through, but regardless of the outcome I don't see myself flying with MAM. Having said that, I won't entirely rule it out.
Don't spend your hard-earned, consistant, guaranteed income all at once!
Best of luck back in the real world and thanks for all the advice/info you have given us hopefuls.
Flyboy
It certainly is a shame it has come to that. I myself am waiting on a few other opportunities to come through, but regardless of the outcome I don't see myself flying with MAM. Having said that, I won't entirely rule it out.
Don't spend your hard-earned, consistant, guaranteed income all at once!
Best of luck back in the real world and thanks for all the advice/info you have given us hopefuls.
Flyboy
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Hey guys, I've been offered a g/s with MAM for QF.... after much soul searching and agonising over whether I'm doing the right thing I have decided to politely decline... I've had another offer which for me personally suits me much better and the company just seems to 'fit' better - everything has happened when they said it would and I feel like 'me' and not a number.
As lovely as everyone on the recruitment team (and my fellow applicants were) I feel I have to do what is right for me at this point in time and sadly it's not MAM... I will see if I can go on a list or something as I'd still love to work for them down the track, but at the moment it's just not possible!!
Thanks everyone for all of your help, advice and so forth, and for giving us both sides of the coin to look at. Wish you all success whether you are just starting with MAM or are now looking for your next adventure!!!
Cheers,
Sky
As lovely as everyone on the recruitment team (and my fellow applicants were) I feel I have to do what is right for me at this point in time and sadly it's not MAM... I will see if I can go on a list or something as I'd still love to work for them down the track, but at the moment it's just not possible!!
Thanks everyone for all of your help, advice and so forth, and for giving us both sides of the coin to look at. Wish you all success whether you are just starting with MAM or are now looking for your next adventure!!!
Cheers,
Sky
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Hey there! Just thought I would share my excitment also! I and 2 of my friends have been offered a training school starting on 18 July.
Very happy to be making this move and I have thought through the terms and conditions very carefully! At this point in my life the MAM Casual conditions suit me perfectly. I wish all of you still waiting the best of luck! hang in there, it will happen. To those of you who have also had positive news, I look forward to meeting you all out on line!
Very happy to be making this move and I have thought through the terms and conditions very carefully! At this point in my life the MAM Casual conditions suit me perfectly. I wish all of you still waiting the best of luck! hang in there, it will happen. To those of you who have also had positive news, I look forward to meeting you all out on line!
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Sky Sista,
As a fellow serial airline applicant, I was very surprised to read your post. I'm sure you have your reasons, be them career, lifestyle or financial. I hope you have really considered what it is you really want in life, rather than what is the right thing to do. Sometimes you need to sacrifice things to follow your dreams, but then again, some things are not worth the sacrifice.
I'm leaving my dog, wish I could say "Sexy Boyfriend", my mortgage, my family, my friends, the Aussie SUN, a $95K job, to go all the way to London to fly for a discount airline, wearing an bright orange shirt!
Will it be worth it...? 
Ask me in 6 months! If not, I can always come back, and pick things up where I left them... even the job...
Good luck with whatever you decide to do in the future. Although we have not communicated directly, your support and advice to wannabes is invaluable.
You are an asset to pprune!
As a fellow serial airline applicant, I was very surprised to read your post. I'm sure you have your reasons, be them career, lifestyle or financial. I hope you have really considered what it is you really want in life, rather than what is the right thing to do. Sometimes you need to sacrifice things to follow your dreams, but then again, some things are not worth the sacrifice.
I'm leaving my dog, wish I could say "Sexy Boyfriend", my mortgage, my family, my friends, the Aussie SUN, a $95K job, to go all the way to London to fly for a discount airline, wearing an bright orange shirt!
Will it be worth it...? Ask me in 6 months! If not, I can always come back, and pick things up where I left them... even the job...Good luck with whatever you decide to do in the future. Although we have not communicated directly, your support and advice to wannabes is invaluable.
You are an asset to pprune!
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A lot of current MAM Fa's are resigning as there are no hours.
Really? I know maybe 2-3 and thats it.
No hours? Most casuals i work with are up over the 100hrs for June.
Oh, but then again you have to make yourself available to actually get called.
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All heart S/Shaul,your post would appear to reflect an opinion. A casual employee who has been made "not required" due to operational needs forcasting they are not needed may make them selves "AV" meaning 24hrs call out not paid, 2 hrs minimum to base, to be directed to be sent where ever!...A casual employee who has volunteered AV status may not withdraw this status without 48 hrs notice. Hours worked are about 80 to 97 max if you elect say 5-6 days off a month in June,the other days worked would be under the above conditions. The amount leaving to go to another overseas based company is much higher,more for the travel and experience one would imagine.........And for your info i dont like typing,
my letters are from a back ground of dictation so for you to post about ones typing skills,grammar etc which you have done in the past dosnt contribute to the debate/discussion.......GalleyHag??????????????? Cheers gigs oh yeh! capitals Gigs.
my letters are from a back ground of dictation so for you to post about ones typing skills,grammar etc which you have done in the past dosnt contribute to the debate/discussion.......GalleyHag??????????????? Cheers gigs oh yeh! capitals Gigs.
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Gigs - you do not need to explain the whole AV/Not req'd thing to me. I am aware of how the casual MAM system works.
As far as opinion, its not my opinion, its what casuals are saying. Most of them (i worked with) say that they are working over 100hrs.
What any of this has to do with spelling etc is beyond me. And galleyhag? You lost me half way through your post.
Just remember, some...and i mean some casuals think they are owed 100hrs or so each month. You are required whenever the company needs you. When they dont need you, you dont work. Casual workforce. What does suck is that QF havent made more of you fulltime. However, thats the decision Geoff has made.
I'm pretty sure that you were aware of all that when you signed up to work at QF.
As far as opinion, its not my opinion, its what casuals are saying. Most of them (i worked with) say that they are working over 100hrs.
What any of this has to do with spelling etc is beyond me. And galleyhag? You lost me half way through your post.
Just remember, some...and i mean some casuals think they are owed 100hrs or so each month. You are required whenever the company needs you. When they dont need you, you dont work. Casual workforce. What does suck is that QF havent made more of you fulltime. However, thats the decision Geoff has made.
I'm pretty sure that you were aware of all that when you signed up to work at QF.
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I know a lot of MAM crew are hoping for permanent work with Qantas but have you considered jetstar International?
On their website they are taking applications for direct entry CSM's for their 'widebody operations'.
I would think that any MAM crew would have a great advantage with all your experience on QF's A330's, as they are the aircraft Jetstar will start with!
Fortunatly I now have a full-time job with QF but if I were casual I would jump at the chance of a direct entry longhaul CSM job
On their website they are taking applications for direct entry CSM's for their 'widebody operations'.
I would think that any MAM crew would have a great advantage with all your experience on QF's A330's, as they are the aircraft Jetstar will start with!
Fortunatly I now have a full-time job with QF but if I were casual I would jump at the chance of a direct entry longhaul CSM job
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Lizzimac, I have given this a LOT of thought, and put my thoughts on paper and thought it through from lifestyle, financial, 'right thing to do' and 'follow my heart' points of view.
In all cases my decision was the same - MAM was not for me as I had previously thought. I know some of you here who tried/are still trying to get in may find my decision hard to comprehend, but in the end it was the right thing for me to do in all of the above respects, not only for my financial and career satisfaction but for my personal wellbeing as well.
As for 'doing what I always wanted to do', yes, I will be doing that too!
IJWTF, thanks for your kind words. rest assured I am doing what I want to do, which just happens to also be what I feel is RIGHT for me to do!! I still get to do the job I always wanted (flying) but I get so much more than that too! All the things you mentioned which are important to me like lifestyle, feeling accepted and valued by my company, etc.
It's great to see so many of us finally getting the good karma from all of our trying and waiting and preparing by getting flying work - wish you all the best in your o/s adventure, rock the orange!!!
(Oh, and be sure to swap your funny flying stories with us, ok?! 
)
In all cases my decision was the same - MAM was not for me as I had previously thought. I know some of you here who tried/are still trying to get in may find my decision hard to comprehend, but in the end it was the right thing for me to do in all of the above respects, not only for my financial and career satisfaction but for my personal wellbeing as well.
As for 'doing what I always wanted to do', yes, I will be doing that too!
IJWTF, thanks for your kind words. rest assured I am doing what I want to do, which just happens to also be what I feel is RIGHT for me to do!! I still get to do the job I always wanted (flying) but I get so much more than that too! All the things you mentioned which are important to me like lifestyle, feeling accepted and valued by my company, etc.
It's great to see so many of us finally getting the good karma from all of our trying and waiting and preparing by getting flying work - wish you all the best in your o/s adventure, rock the orange!!!
(Oh, and be sure to swap your funny flying stories with us, ok?! )
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Why does the online application when applying for a FA position have a section for United States citizens, does this mean US citizens can apply? Will QF help w/ the perm. residency.
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syd/s/haul some stuff you get some you just dont but,,good on you for replying ..re..typing skills short memory i guess..???/no we were not made aware of all this as such in my vintage...cheers s/haul gigs.
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MAM WILL BE VERY CASUAL
I am sorry to say guys after having spoken to a number of MAM F/As in recent days those looking for a career with MAM should think very carefully before leaving any permanent position for what appears now to be a very casual one with MAM...I have been told the hours are decreasing as more casual come on board and even those on contract c with 20 gauranteed days per month are not making enough to survive...One q/f flightie told me yesterday that they need stacks of casuals so they can have people at short notice with many in reserve..an essential industry needing to have someone at the moment that is required....extremely necessary to have an abundance of staff than not enough...he warned me to warn others THINK CAREFULLY and dont risk a secure permanent job for something that could ruin you financially....
For those of you who have never worked on a casual basis casual work is soley to the advantage of the employer and the more casuals the less work especially with big employers needing to have lots of people in reserve on the books....also remember s/h is nothing like L/h and has hardly any opportunity to enjoy the travel aspect with mostly quick turn arounds;;;its almost like a standard hospitality job.
Good luck guys but please think before you jump as they sound like a pretty awlful employer from what I am hearing with no regard for its casuals....Its all consistent feedback.
For those of you who have never worked on a casual basis casual work is soley to the advantage of the employer and the more casuals the less work especially with big employers needing to have lots of people in reserve on the books....also remember s/h is nothing like L/h and has hardly any opportunity to enjoy the travel aspect with mostly quick turn arounds;;;its almost like a standard hospitality job.
Good luck guys but please think before you jump as they sound like a pretty awlful employer from what I am hearing with no regard for its casuals....Its all consistent feedback.
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MAM IS TOO CASUAL
Be careful about your decision to join MAM guys...
A qf flightie told me yesterday there will be an abundance of casuals in supply decreasing the hours which appears to be already happening even those on contract c...he told me dont leave a perm job for this or you could be in serious financial strife..
They need heaps of casuals in reserve to always have someone at short notice...its set up for the employers need not ours..they also sound like a terrible company to work for from what is starting to be consistent about what is being said from people who work for them...
A qf flightie told me yesterday there will be an abundance of casuals in supply decreasing the hours which appears to be already happening even those on contract c...he told me dont leave a perm job for this or you could be in serious financial strife..
They need heaps of casuals in reserve to always have someone at short notice...its set up for the employers need not ours..they also sound like a terrible company to work for from what is starting to be consistent about what is being said from people who work for them...