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HELP!
hi, i had my MAM interview on 15th May and completed the entire process in the following days - medical, etc.... now its been like 2 months and i havent heard a thing! Does anyone know of a training group coming up??? Are they likely to call or does anyone have a contact number???
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Hi ChristineMAM,
I like you have been waiting the same amount of time as you and I still haven't heard a thing. No news is good news. I did hear though that there will be a ground school in August in Brisbane and that they intend to put another 45-50 through this ground school. I recently got a call from them saying that my file was under review. I don't know about other cities though, can I ask where you are from?
I like you have been waiting the same amount of time as you and I still haven't heard a thing. No news is good news. I did hear though that there will be a ground school in August in Brisbane and that they intend to put another 45-50 through this ground school. I recently got a call from them saying that my file was under review. I don't know about other cities though, can I ask where you are from?
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I am from Brisbane and you? Thats great that you got a call to say your file is under review - i have not had a call since completing my medical. Do you know the date the August training starts? Would be fantastic to just know!!!! I wonder seeing as i have not been called they are no longer interested...
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Hey flocker,
You say that QF sounds like a terrible company to work for, from what you hear.
Is this being said by the MAM casuals? If so, it doesnt matter as they dont work for QF.
And why is Qantas terrible?
Because they dont give these people staff travel, or 125hrs each month, or the days off they want, or the fact they are language speakers and aren't doing a Hong Kong trip each week?
Wake up. Tell us the reasons why.
And please remember in your explanation that if it is the MAMer's complaining then they are CASUAL contractors and keep that thought in-mind when responding.
You say that QF sounds like a terrible company to work for, from what you hear.
Is this being said by the MAM casuals? If so, it doesnt matter as they dont work for QF.
And why is Qantas terrible?
Because they dont give these people staff travel, or 125hrs each month, or the days off they want, or the fact they are language speakers and aren't doing a Hong Kong trip each week?
Wake up. Tell us the reasons why.
And please remember in your explanation that if it is the MAMer's complaining then they are CASUAL contractors and keep that thought in-mind when responding.
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Hi ChristineMam,
My friend who was offered a job with them in Brisbane wasn't able to start in July as it was too early of notice for her current job so she is training in August in Brisbane. She still doesn't know the exact date but apparantly there is a training school every month. I'm not sure though it that is correct but that I've heard that from a few people. Someone else that I have heard of who is training in Brisbane currently was told that they were going to have another 2 or 3 training classes just for Brisbane. These are things that I have just heard, but keep positive and I'm sure it will be good news for you soon.
My friend who was offered a job with them in Brisbane wasn't able to start in July as it was too early of notice for her current job so she is training in August in Brisbane. She still doesn't know the exact date but apparantly there is a training school every month. I'm not sure though it that is correct but that I've heard that from a few people. Someone else that I have heard of who is training in Brisbane currently was told that they were going to have another 2 or 3 training classes just for Brisbane. These are things that I have just heard, but keep positive and I'm sure it will be good news for you soon.
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WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!! Ive been with Qantas as a MAM casual aover 2 years now and have had the time of my life...Its AMAZING,,, Of course i would love full time but for the moment iis what it is... Some of u people are too dramatic and make up your own stories and have these weird theories on Employment and hours ect...Allocations make sure they have enough crew too cover their flying needs they would never hire people and have them just sitting around.... There is more Regional flying coming over too short haul anyway one the LOng Haul redunduncies are proccesed... Just chill out and enjoy it - if its an issue for you or traumatising you that much then maybe u should be looking at another job - not being rude just stating facts and being realistic.....As i said i love my job - but the drama and the bickering from other casuals is soooooooooooooo draining and negative its kinda sickening... So head down and block all the crap...Happy Flying...
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Well said
Well said GreekAngel, I have been flying for over 2 yrs as a MAM casual and logging on to PPRUNE to read some of the comments in this forum, I would suggest that people need to post facts not rumours or dramatic stories heard from other FA's and not from the direct source.
Yes, it is true that some months the hours are low and income can be unstable but that was something we were all made aware of when we accepted a casual position with no pay or hour guarantee. I recall in my panel interview, being asked financially would I would be okay if in a 2 week period, there was less than 10 hours work? I was well warned during the interview process.
Trust me, I understand how much stress can be brought on by financial worry, and YES I have been found counting my last pennies some months when the work has not been there. But overall, the work always balances out from month to month.
All these suggestions in this forum of 'heaps' of crew leaving MAM due to low hours, is a dramatic rumour. Honestly I have heard of only a few.
As for those of you out there waiting to hear from MAM/QF if you have been accepted. Just be patient, we have all been there. I recall waiting 2 months for an answer. So I certainly understand your frustration. But the best advice is not to put all your eggs in one basket. Just play the waiting game, as hard as it is to do. I wish you all luck, with your applications. It is a great job, and MAM really is a good company to work for. At the end of the day, MAM is a labour company, meeting the requirements of QF to hire labour, so don't expect anything over and above but a great job flying when and where QF needs you.
Anyone who wants to PM me, feel free. I will do my best to answer any questions.
Cheers,
Bizzi_Boi
Yes, it is true that some months the hours are low and income can be unstable but that was something we were all made aware of when we accepted a casual position with no pay or hour guarantee. I recall in my panel interview, being asked financially would I would be okay if in a 2 week period, there was less than 10 hours work? I was well warned during the interview process.
Trust me, I understand how much stress can be brought on by financial worry, and YES I have been found counting my last pennies some months when the work has not been there. But overall, the work always balances out from month to month.
All these suggestions in this forum of 'heaps' of crew leaving MAM due to low hours, is a dramatic rumour. Honestly I have heard of only a few.
As for those of you out there waiting to hear from MAM/QF if you have been accepted. Just be patient, we have all been there. I recall waiting 2 months for an answer. So I certainly understand your frustration. But the best advice is not to put all your eggs in one basket. Just play the waiting game, as hard as it is to do. I wish you all luck, with your applications. It is a great job, and MAM really is a good company to work for. At the end of the day, MAM is a labour company, meeting the requirements of QF to hire labour, so don't expect anything over and above but a great job flying when and where QF needs you.
Anyone who wants to PM me, feel free. I will do my best to answer any questions.
Cheers,
Bizzi_Boi
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It is great to hear that mam is a good company to work for. It is reasonable to believe this as the last 2 posts are from actual employees of MAM. I don't think it is fair for people to get on here and say all these bad comments yet they don't even work for the company itself. I am still waiting to hear from mam and if I get offered a job I will be very greatful for the opportunity. Also having worked as a casual for 6 years, you still have the opportunity to become financially stable. There are ways you can go about it. I have tried the banks for a home and investment loan and even though I am casually employed they were still prepared to approve a loan for a reasonable amount. I'm sure most people wouldn't have any trouble because banks actually do want your business. But everybody is different. It would be good if any employees of mam could share their experiences about the flying involved, what sort of routes short haul casuals do etc. Thanks
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Hi,
I still havent heard a thing! I want to call again, but I only called like a week ago - this wait it awful..... i just wish we could be given a time frame..... a friend of mine who started training this month told me there is someone in their class who waited 2 years for the call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still havent heard a thing! I want to call again, but I only called like a week ago - this wait it awful..... i just wish we could be given a time frame..... a friend of mine who started training this month told me there is someone in their class who waited 2 years for the call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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MAM WANTS LOTS OF CASUALS...
Hi Guys..
I dont want to disallusion any one but the writing is on the wall...
with such a huge recruitment drive currently happening the hours have to reduce ...do the maths guys ...more casuals must equal less hours...
It is no rumor and i personally know of at least 10 mamers who have left in recent weeks for being screwed.
My information is coming also directly from qf staff having worked for qf for years.
SO DO NOT sacrifice a permanent job for this guys...
Take my advice,,
Good luck on whatever you decide.
Flocker.
I dont want to disallusion any one but the writing is on the wall...
with such a huge recruitment drive currently happening the hours have to reduce ...do the maths guys ...more casuals must equal less hours...
It is no rumor and i personally know of at least 10 mamers who have left in recent weeks for being screwed.
My information is coming also directly from qf staff having worked for qf for years.
SO DO NOT sacrifice a permanent job for this guys...
Take my advice,,
Good luck on whatever you decide.
Flocker.
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Flocker,
Thank you for your insight. But can I bring something to your attention.
Everytime MAM/QF have hired more casuals, the hours have not decreased. Given our rosters are primarily made up of FWAO (Duties dropped by full-timers). And the Full-Time EBA was aimed at achieveing 100% of duties requested to be dumped to be picked up. First round being offered to full timers then onto casuals. In order for this to be 100% they need enough resource coverage for that, and also full-timers who have gone part-time, sick leave coverage and of course ad-hoc situations.
2 years ago, FWAO was not here. And I still did 130hrs a month based on sick leave coverage. They have hired a lot since I started and the hours are still up.
We are again at a stage where MAM sends us sms to our mobile phones requesting people who are interested to work on NON AV days. So I know where your thought pattern was going when you do the maths, but the rules don't apply here.
To add to it, we still have resources shortages in all bases. And the new casuals (being mostly language speakers) are to cover the regional flying primarily.
Anyone think any different?
Cheers,
Bizzi_Boi
Thank you for your insight. But can I bring something to your attention.
Everytime MAM/QF have hired more casuals, the hours have not decreased. Given our rosters are primarily made up of FWAO (Duties dropped by full-timers). And the Full-Time EBA was aimed at achieveing 100% of duties requested to be dumped to be picked up. First round being offered to full timers then onto casuals. In order for this to be 100% they need enough resource coverage for that, and also full-timers who have gone part-time, sick leave coverage and of course ad-hoc situations.
2 years ago, FWAO was not here. And I still did 130hrs a month based on sick leave coverage. They have hired a lot since I started and the hours are still up.
We are again at a stage where MAM sends us sms to our mobile phones requesting people who are interested to work on NON AV days. So I know where your thought pattern was going when you do the maths, but the rules don't apply here.
To add to it, we still have resources shortages in all bases. And the new casuals (being mostly language speakers) are to cover the regional flying primarily.
Anyone think any different?
Cheers,
Bizzi_Boi
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heres some more info from an actual mam casual....
im in the process of leaving, bcos after almost 2 years, i cant be bothered anymore with the unreliability of the work/hours. i was NEVER told we could do less than 10hrs per fortnite by anyone. yes, we were told it was casual, but the reality of actually working a casual job that still requires 12days per month and then trying to possibly fit in a second job to supplement your hours is really fairly difficult unless you have a job where you work for yourself. going to work 3 or 4 days a week to do 4.5 hour syd returns (0515 sign ons) started to become very tiresome. and personally i dont agree with making yourself AV without a paid av span and waiting around for hours to maybe get work- yeah sometimes you will get work, but how many hours of free home reserve does Qantas gain by casuals doing this???
i wouldnt agree that the work has always balanced out from month to month for me. i agree that some months have been great, and yes perhaps people like greek angel & bizzi boi are happy to accept the lows & highs simply bcos they love flying that much-but everyones different- and maybe my priorities have changed in the last 2yrs too. i dont want to always be guessing how much money i might have anymore. when i started flying with MAM the hours were much better, and i was told by a 'long time mam'er' that they were doing good hours consistantly.
i wish everyone luck that is applying/being accepted....just bcos its not for me anymore doesnt mean its not for others. you'll make some great friends, you'll have fun times onboard with workmates, and when the hours are there you'll make some good money- but just to re-iterate what a few others have said, think wisely before leaving well paid secure jobs- however if you've got nothing to lose then you've got no problems.
i wish i didnt feel the need to leave, but i dont want another 12mths of 'some month are fine- others are woeful'. i dont feel like i was ever lied too in the recruitment process, i acknowledge that we are casual, yes i agreed to a job that has 12 mandatory days- but as stated above, the reality of actually living under these conditions is different once your doing it day to day- after 20mths it just doesnt make me personally happy. so rather than stick around and just going thru the motions of a job that doesnt make me happy anymore im leaving - just like i would do in any other job!
im in the process of leaving, bcos after almost 2 years, i cant be bothered anymore with the unreliability of the work/hours. i was NEVER told we could do less than 10hrs per fortnite by anyone. yes, we were told it was casual, but the reality of actually working a casual job that still requires 12days per month and then trying to possibly fit in a second job to supplement your hours is really fairly difficult unless you have a job where you work for yourself. going to work 3 or 4 days a week to do 4.5 hour syd returns (0515 sign ons) started to become very tiresome. and personally i dont agree with making yourself AV without a paid av span and waiting around for hours to maybe get work- yeah sometimes you will get work, but how many hours of free home reserve does Qantas gain by casuals doing this???
i wouldnt agree that the work has always balanced out from month to month for me. i agree that some months have been great, and yes perhaps people like greek angel & bizzi boi are happy to accept the lows & highs simply bcos they love flying that much-but everyones different- and maybe my priorities have changed in the last 2yrs too. i dont want to always be guessing how much money i might have anymore. when i started flying with MAM the hours were much better, and i was told by a 'long time mam'er' that they were doing good hours consistantly.
i wish everyone luck that is applying/being accepted....just bcos its not for me anymore doesnt mean its not for others. you'll make some great friends, you'll have fun times onboard with workmates, and when the hours are there you'll make some good money- but just to re-iterate what a few others have said, think wisely before leaving well paid secure jobs- however if you've got nothing to lose then you've got no problems.
i wish i didnt feel the need to leave, but i dont want another 12mths of 'some month are fine- others are woeful'. i dont feel like i was ever lied too in the recruitment process, i acknowledge that we are casual, yes i agreed to a job that has 12 mandatory days- but as stated above, the reality of actually living under these conditions is different once your doing it day to day- after 20mths it just doesnt make me personally happy. so rather than stick around and just going thru the motions of a job that doesnt make me happy anymore im leaving - just like i would do in any other job!
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This might be a silly question but is there a huge pay difference between a MAM casual and a QF full time. I mean for example if you are both doing
130hrs for the month? Also I couldn't imagine living on 10hrs wage for any length of time. I can see why alot of MAM casuals are getting annoyed and disgruntled.
130hrs for the month? Also I couldn't imagine living on 10hrs wage for any length of time. I can see why alot of MAM casuals are getting annoyed and disgruntled.
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I dont know how this will effect MAM casuals, however the following information was received by short haul cabin crew from the FAAA on 4 August, 2006 and applies to permanent cabin crew:
SHORT HAUL CABIN CREW SURPLUS
On Wednesday 2nd August an urgent meeting was held with Qantas to discuss their stated surplus
At the conclusion of the meeting it was agreed that a notice would be issued to crew on a range of initiatives. These include:
· Temporary Part time in 6 month blocks
· Leave without pay in 6 month blocks
· Additional annual leave and long service leave opportunities
· A limited voluntary redundancy program
The Association is yet to finalise details on the various initiatives. Once details are available they will be issued accordingly.
SHORT HAUL CABIN CREW SURPLUS
On Wednesday 2nd August an urgent meeting was held with Qantas to discuss their stated surplus
At the conclusion of the meeting it was agreed that a notice would be issued to crew on a range of initiatives. These include:
· Temporary Part time in 6 month blocks
· Leave without pay in 6 month blocks
· Additional annual leave and long service leave opportunities
· A limited voluntary redundancy program
The Association is yet to finalise details on the various initiatives. Once details are available they will be issued accordingly.