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YES, YES AND YES. A few years ago short haul wanted some additional tasman flying to make up for all the 747 flying that long haul was doing on Perth and Cairns and what happened the long haul FAAA marched off to the IR Commission demanding their Auckland's be returned to them, this was well before the short haul FAAA even negotiated regional flying for short haul crew. So dont think for a minute long haul wouldnt cut the throat of short haul if they had the chance as they have tried in the past.
Band payments apply to everyone not just long haul crew transfering to short haul. Anyone that joins short haul is on the same band. Why dont you stop short haul obtaining some allowance during the next EBA if thats makes you feel better.
That little girl that you mention is fast growing into a young women, so look out!!
YES, YES AND YES. A few years ago short haul wanted some additional tasman flying to make up for all the 747 flying that long haul was doing on Perth and Cairns and what happened the long haul FAAA marched off to the IR Commission demanding their Auckland's be returned to them, this was well before the short haul FAAA even negotiated regional flying for short haul crew. So dont think for a minute long haul wouldnt cut the throat of short haul if they had the chance as they have tried in the past.
Band payments apply to everyone not just long haul crew transfering to short haul. Anyone that joins short haul is on the same band. Why dont you stop short haul obtaining some allowance during the next EBA if thats makes you feel better.
That little girl that you mention is fast growing into a young women, so look out!!
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"That little girl that you mention is fast growing into a young women, so look out!!"
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Yes, the little girl may look like an adult but sadly still behaves with the attitude of a petulant 6 year old.
The conditions of CC will be all the poorer for it.
easternboy,
there is only one group of QF CC doing the screwing and it sure isn't Longhaul.
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If you lot really want to be international FAs why not just transfer??
At least you would be doing the flying under conditions that make it worthwhile and not just undercutting the incumbents to spite us.
"That little girl that you mention is fast growing into a young women, so look out!!"
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Yes, the little girl may look like an adult but sadly still behaves with the attitude of a petulant 6 year old.
The conditions of CC will be all the poorer for it.
easternboy,
there is only one group of QF CC doing the screwing and it sure isn't Longhaul.
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If you lot really want to be international FAs why not just transfer??
At least you would be doing the flying under conditions that make it worthwhile and not just undercutting the incumbents to spite us.
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Your assertion that Ansett F/A's made decisions affecting Long Haul at QF is absolute rubbish. This never occurred in my 20 years there . Never ever did Ansett crew vote on a decision regarding long haul flying.
I had just become a minor union branch member when the split between long haul and short haul divisions happened and I can tell you that , although I came in on the tail end of the process , there was a lot of bad feeling between the divisions for reasons that were not really made clear to me . I had my own hands full with rostering issues so did not bother to find out the REAL reasons for it. Can anyone enlighten me with some facts and NOT innuendo or rumour ?
Your assertion that Ansett F/A's made decisions affecting Long Haul at QF is absolute rubbish. This never occurred in my 20 years there . Never ever did Ansett crew vote on a decision regarding long haul flying.
I had just become a minor union branch member when the split between long haul and short haul divisions happened and I can tell you that , although I came in on the tail end of the process , there was a lot of bad feeling between the divisions for reasons that were not really made clear to me . I had my own hands full with rostering issues so did not bother to find out the REAL reasons for it. Can anyone enlighten me with some facts and NOT innuendo or rumour ?
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Frankly by reading this thread, it's the whinging longhaulers that are looking the most petulant.
Using the "everyone's out to get us" line is getting very old hat nowadays. Perhaps start thinking about what you can do as a group to adapt rather than wasting your energies attacking every other division.
Perhaps other divisions would give you some support if you start behaving like you deserve it.
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Using the "everyone's out to get us" line is getting very old hat nowadays. Perhaps start thinking about what you can do as a group to adapt rather than wasting your energies attacking every other division.
Perhaps other divisions would give you some support if you start behaving like you deserve it.
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Galleyhag,
We have always done some domestic flying as on the start of an international sector such as Syd/Mel/Per/Bom/Lhr. Qantas also used us when capacity was needed on flights like Per because Australian airlines did not have wide bodied aircraft.
Yes we did go to arbitration to get back some Tasmans because they are international flying!!!!! You are supposed to be domestic, look at the name on the terminal signs!!!!
I think that from now on we should name the short haul faaa the “Judas division”
Easternboy,there is only one group that is a ME division and that is the Judas division.
What about integrated seniority??
Did TAA or later Australian airlines (original one I mean) ever give integrated seniority to crew from other airlines they absorbed? A quick answer NO
Has S/H faaa allowed CSM’s from Per L/H come over and as CSM’s to S/H???
If you could do the csm’s job internationally ,you could do the csm’s job on a domestic flight with one hand tied behind your back and your eyes closed
Priapism (or as we used to call it, travel thickness)
I still believe the main problem started when the process of deregulation started and I for one wish we could turn back the clock but that is just wishful thinking. When QF took over Australian airlines, it became clear to Ansett that they were now the alternative domestic and international airline in Australia , the old Australian tall poppy syndrome was alive and well and QF long haul were the target. It was not so much that Ansett crew voted against us but that with the numbers domestically the faaa were looking at issues that were of no relevance to Long haul and were not really interested in our problems and the Australian airlines crew looked at us and probably still feel as though we were the bad ones because they had been taken over.
Sydgirl…If S/H did not act the way they have we would have nothing to complain about!!! It’s as though everyone in the Judas division is living in a type of Alice in Wonderland existence..nothing is as it seems,we didn’t do anything…. If you don’t want any criticism then don’t take other peoples work…SIMPLE
We have always done some domestic flying as on the start of an international sector such as Syd/Mel/Per/Bom/Lhr. Qantas also used us when capacity was needed on flights like Per because Australian airlines did not have wide bodied aircraft.
Yes we did go to arbitration to get back some Tasmans because they are international flying!!!!! You are supposed to be domestic, look at the name on the terminal signs!!!!
I think that from now on we should name the short haul faaa the “Judas division”
Easternboy,there is only one group that is a ME division and that is the Judas division.
What about integrated seniority??
Did TAA or later Australian airlines (original one I mean) ever give integrated seniority to crew from other airlines they absorbed? A quick answer NO
Has S/H faaa allowed CSM’s from Per L/H come over and as CSM’s to S/H???
If you could do the csm’s job internationally ,you could do the csm’s job on a domestic flight with one hand tied behind your back and your eyes closed
Priapism (or as we used to call it, travel thickness)
I still believe the main problem started when the process of deregulation started and I for one wish we could turn back the clock but that is just wishful thinking. When QF took over Australian airlines, it became clear to Ansett that they were now the alternative domestic and international airline in Australia , the old Australian tall poppy syndrome was alive and well and QF long haul were the target. It was not so much that Ansett crew voted against us but that with the numbers domestically the faaa were looking at issues that were of no relevance to Long haul and were not really interested in our problems and the Australian airlines crew looked at us and probably still feel as though we were the bad ones because they had been taken over.
Sydgirl…If S/H did not act the way they have we would have nothing to complain about!!! It’s as though everyone in the Judas division is living in a type of Alice in Wonderland existence..nothing is as it seems,we didn’t do anything…. If you don’t want any criticism then don’t take other peoples work…SIMPLE
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"Perhaps start thinking about what you can do as a group to adapt rather than wasting your energies attacking every other division."
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Adapt to what?
Having the domestics take more of our flying as they have agreed to do it for less?
Do you think that the domestics would NOT take our flying if we were nicer to them..?
"Perhaps start thinking about what you can do as a group to adapt rather than wasting your energies attacking every other division."
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Adapt to what?
Having the domestics take more of our flying as they have agreed to do it for less?
Do you think that the domestics would NOT take our flying if we were nicer to them..?
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It’s funny when you think about it,
Long Haul crews are upset because our jobs are being taken away….
Short Haul crews are upset because people are saying naughty things about them….
Think about it…..Who is being petulant and who has a right to be concerned?
Long Haul crews are upset because our jobs are being taken away….
Short Haul crews are upset because people are saying naughty things about them….
Think about it…..Who is being petulant and who has a right to be concerned?
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It is so true that shorthaul sold out longhaul, but it is also true that the company has shot themselves in the foot by doing it.
Longhaul Bfirst crew do a five day training course, preferred galley operators do an additional 4 days training.
What has shorthaul had in regards to international business training? A couple of days training course that only half was about business class service. I have paxed on flights in J/C done by shorthaul, the product was a joke! Sloppy plating, undercooked meals,no waiters cloths,unopened coke cans delivered to pax,no wine presentation, no bar service.Now I am being forced to transfer to shorthaul, lord help any shorthaul f/a or Purser who tries to 'domestic-ise' the service on international sectors. I will be reporting any deviation from service standards and signatures,with gusto.And will have the precise knowledge of service procedures to back me up.
This is gonna be such a fun game, this old gal is lookin forward to it And the best bit - the crew wont be able to do anything about it 'sorry they dont like me Pretend-Base-Manager, but I was just ensuring our correct service standards and signatures were upheld, as written in our service guides - would you prefer I let the standards drop? Check-mate 
Longhaul Bfirst crew do a five day training course, preferred galley operators do an additional 4 days training.
What has shorthaul had in regards to international business training? A couple of days training course that only half was about business class service. I have paxed on flights in J/C done by shorthaul, the product was a joke! Sloppy plating, undercooked meals,no waiters cloths,unopened coke cans delivered to pax,no wine presentation, no bar service.Now I am being forced to transfer to shorthaul, lord help any shorthaul f/a or Purser who tries to 'domestic-ise' the service on international sectors. I will be reporting any deviation from service standards and signatures,with gusto.And will have the precise knowledge of service procedures to back me up.
This is gonna be such a fun game, this old gal is lookin forward to it And the best bit - the crew wont be able to do anything about it 'sorry they dont like me Pretend-Base-Manager, but I was just ensuring our correct service standards and signatures were upheld, as written in our service guides - would you prefer I let the standards drop? Check-mate
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Adapt to what?
Your heads are in the clouds.. instead of being so busy plotting your revenge and misdirecting your anger towards SH, the FAAA, GoD and goodness knows who else; start looking at yourselves and perhaps think about drinking a warm glass of shut the hell up.
Do you think the threats of "I'm going to dob you in for poor service" is truly endearing you to your colleagues at SH? And I love the old favourite "A LH CSM can do a SH CSM role with their eyes closed and one hand behind their back". I thank heavens that you whingers are in the minority, that the majority of LH crew are normal, rational individuals.
Maybe once you accept the fact that there are two different divisions with two different sets of circumstances and start working together as opposed to against each other you may make some progress.
This tit for tat and everyone's against me caper is really old. Start building that bridge and move on.
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Sydgirl,
you really do appear to be living in fantasy land.
What part of, shorthaul agreeing to do our [longhaul] flying for less do you NOT understand?
You are telling Longhaul that we should work WITH other divisions???????
Why? So they [domestic] can leach more of our flying.
Get a grip, a life and develop you cognitive abilities.
OBTW, no one at Longhaul is plotting any revenge or tit for tat.
It's just that we are dumbfounded by your lots treachery.
Revenge ?........I don't think so.
Childish, pointless and demeaning behavior is best left to the experts.......
you really do appear to be living in fantasy land.
What part of, shorthaul agreeing to do our [longhaul] flying for less do you NOT understand?
You are telling Longhaul that we should work WITH other divisions???????
Why? So they [domestic] can leach more of our flying.
Get a grip, a life and develop you cognitive abilities.
OBTW, no one at Longhaul is plotting any revenge or tit for tat.
It's just that we are dumbfounded by your lots treachery.
Revenge ?........I don't think so.
Childish, pointless and demeaning behavior is best left to the experts.......
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you go get em! westoz,
remember that they are always the ones to pen to paper if a standard is not met or if the doily is not correctly positioned on the salver!
your last line is correct , there is nothing they can do!
I wish I was there to see some of those anal retentive hosties pursers squirm,
remember "don't get angry just get even"
remember that they are always the ones to pen to paper if a standard is not met or if the doily is not correctly positioned on the salver!
your last line is correct , there is nothing they can do!
I wish I was there to see some of those anal retentive hosties pursers squirm,
remember "don't get angry just get even"
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Sydgirl…
You really are on a different page aren’t you!!!
“Maybe once you accept the fact that there are two different divisions with two different sets of circumstances and start working together as opposed to against each other you may make some progress.”
I suppose if you were working in an office and another girl sweet talks the boss and takes your job, you would be nice to her and invite her over to your next BBQ and drinks night because you should work together instead of showing animosity.
I also suppose you would like us to give you all our flying and we can join the S/H FAAA
You really are on a different page aren’t you!!!
“Maybe once you accept the fact that there are two different divisions with two different sets of circumstances and start working together as opposed to against each other you may make some progress.”
I suppose if you were working in an office and another girl sweet talks the boss and takes your job, you would be nice to her and invite her over to your next BBQ and drinks night because you should work together instead of showing animosity.
I also suppose you would like us to give you all our flying and we can join the S/H FAAA
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Well personally I like to keep my friends close and my enemies closer
As for assumptions, well you know what they say about them!
Perhaps we can agree to disagree?
SG
As for assumptions, well you know what they say about them!
Perhaps we can agree to disagree?
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Speedbirdhouse,
sydgirls last post just demonstrates that it is impossible to defend the indefensible.......
It'll be interesting and I suspect rather sad to see what shorthaul have for us this time around.
sydgirls last post just demonstrates that it is impossible to defend the indefensible.......
It'll be interesting and I suspect rather sad to see what shorthaul have for us this time around.
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Qantas Staff Travel
I think our QF staff travel is great. Generally pay about 10%~30% of total ticket. It's unlimited use and we can nominate our wife / husband / partner and parents.Only downfall is we have to wait 7 years before we can purchase J class on International sectors.
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I think our QF cabin crew management is great !!! They have such a high level of talent and dedication to our well being and have unlimited personal skills.Generally pay 10%~30% more than comparable management.Only downfall is they rarely stay longer than 7 years before they are transferred
Sorry ,I couldn’t help myself there !!!
On a serious note,if the FAAA waits much longer with the worlds most permanent temporary dispensation,the company will have the precedent they want and will be able to push through with the next item on the agenda.
Maybe we should join the shorthaul FAAA or maybe the TWU ...any ideas!!!!!!??????
Sorry ,I couldn’t help myself there !!!
On a serious note,if the FAAA waits much longer with the worlds most permanent temporary dispensation,the company will have the precedent they want and will be able to push through with the next item on the agenda.
Maybe we should join the shorthaul FAAA or maybe the TWU ...any ideas!!!!!!??????
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I love the way that shorthaul is taking YOUR flying.
Since when did you own the flying?!
And also...interesting that it only seems to be s/h that is stealing YOUR flying.
Ummm...what do you call the Thai base.... or maybe the AKL base.....or the big one...the UK base.
Oh...they arent taking YOUR flying? Atleast the s/h crews are employed by the same company so it is still inhouse.
If s/h dont do the hkg's, sin's, nrt's etc etc then dont think that you will necessarily get to keep it. It seems to be all about the mighty dollar.
Sure... the next EBA is scarey, both for us in s/h but also for the l/h guys. You can tell me to vote no (and i probably will when i'm told what i'm voting for) but at the end of the day if we say no the company will still get what they want...somehow.
As far as the westozflyer person is concerned... why would you vent your agression against a s/h based per crew that you have to work with?? Won't it make your daily job very uncomfortable and unpleasant? You want to dob them in? Strange.
Would i dream of dobbing in the crew in business class from LAX -SYD recently who i flew with (was on holidays) who were clearly on a mission to get the service done to achieve "MTO". The lack of offer of a second glass of wine with my dinner...got given a bottle of water after dinner then didnt see the crew for 2hrs. Not a single walk through the cabin, then later when the guy next to me (non-staff) asked some more water he was told there were water fountains that he could top he's bottle up. I wouldnt believe it if i didnt see it myself. Constant lack of cabin presence and some major grooming issues with some of the crew...would i say a word? No.
Some of you need to grow up.
Since when did you own the flying?!
And also...interesting that it only seems to be s/h that is stealing YOUR flying.
Ummm...what do you call the Thai base.... or maybe the AKL base.....or the big one...the UK base.
Oh...they arent taking YOUR flying? Atleast the s/h crews are employed by the same company so it is still inhouse.
If s/h dont do the hkg's, sin's, nrt's etc etc then dont think that you will necessarily get to keep it. It seems to be all about the mighty dollar.
Sure... the next EBA is scarey, both for us in s/h but also for the l/h guys. You can tell me to vote no (and i probably will when i'm told what i'm voting for) but at the end of the day if we say no the company will still get what they want...somehow.
As far as the westozflyer person is concerned... why would you vent your agression against a s/h based per crew that you have to work with?? Won't it make your daily job very uncomfortable and unpleasant? You want to dob them in? Strange.
Would i dream of dobbing in the crew in business class from LAX -SYD recently who i flew with (was on holidays) who were clearly on a mission to get the service done to achieve "MTO". The lack of offer of a second glass of wine with my dinner...got given a bottle of water after dinner then didnt see the crew for 2hrs. Not a single walk through the cabin, then later when the guy next to me (non-staff) asked some more water he was told there were water fountains that he could top he's bottle up. I wouldnt believe it if i didnt see it myself. Constant lack of cabin presence and some major grooming issues with some of the crew...would i say a word? No.
Some of you need to grow up.