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All the more reason to vote NO
The company could and have replaced Australian based crew at any time regardless of the dispensation
So much for protecting our jobs by giving dispensation
VOTE NO
The company could and have replaced Australian based crew at any time regardless of the dispensation
So much for protecting our jobs by giving dispensation
VOTE NO
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hey left 2 assist, dont worry about the new ir laws a junor f/a today corrected me when we were talking about them that... these new laws are only designed for companies with under 100 staff so, no qantas staff has anything to worry about. god, how silly was i? there you go guys problem solved.........my point being this guy has a voice and can vote on ebas? you would wonder how many more there are like that person? cheers gigs.
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Re: The JFK Dispo...
Wasn't part of the original idea that it was to protect LAX patterns being removed from Aust based crew?
I suppose as far as a YES/NO vote is concerned, much of that will be driven by whether or not the majority crew want to protect what flying remains...is money/allowances the driving force here, or hours?
Just a curious observer from the outside looking in trying to understand both points of view. If LAX wasn't so important as a pattern, why then are crew bidding for them?
Wasn't part of the original idea that it was to protect LAX patterns being removed from Aust based crew?
I suppose as far as a YES/NO vote is concerned, much of that will be driven by whether or not the majority crew want to protect what flying remains...is money/allowances the driving force here, or hours?
Just a curious observer from the outside looking in trying to understand both points of view. If LAX wasn't so important as a pattern, why then are crew bidding for them?
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vote NO,NO, & NO !!
Having just completed one those PER trips with no crew rest ....let me tell you -its a f----in disgrace.
We are NOT short haul crew.
Who gives a rats rectum whether "its OK for domestics to do it".
I don't give a stuff. Our EBA is L/H. We should not be doing this sort of crappy flying any way.
When the CSM questioned the PER ground staff , they replied,"look matey , tell some one who cares !!!!! "
Nice one.............so much for "SHARING THE SPIRIT".
Any way, call me a luddite, but I am opposed to all these changes being rammed down our throats. The FAAA membership only represents a small minority ie.the Shire Mafia, and a few other assorted sycophants.
I really have given this issue a lot of thought , and discussed with many other FA's. There is a groundswell rising against the FAAA position on this one.
Its wrong.
QF are treating us like mindless chumps.
We are NOT short haul crew.
Who gives a rats rectum whether "its OK for domestics to do it".
I don't give a stuff. Our EBA is L/H. We should not be doing this sort of crappy flying any way.
When the CSM questioned the PER ground staff , they replied,"look matey , tell some one who cares !!!!! "
Nice one.............so much for "SHARING THE SPIRIT".
Any way, call me a luddite, but I am opposed to all these changes being rammed down our throats. The FAAA membership only represents a small minority ie.the Shire Mafia, and a few other assorted sycophants.
I really have given this issue a lot of thought , and discussed with many other FA's. There is a groundswell rising against the FAAA position on this one.
Its wrong.
QF are treating us like mindless chumps.
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Gigs,
the fund managers, [for whom Qantas is run] seem to think otherwise.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...422108607.html
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Just a thought on the JFK dispensation.
Perhaps through the withdrawal of crew rest Qantas are trying to provoke us into voting no.....?
An ulterior motive perhaps that may create the 'justification" for a greater attack/withdrawal of flying??
Once again, just a thought....
the fund managers, [for whom Qantas is run] seem to think otherwise.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...422108607.html
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Just a thought on the JFK dispensation.
Perhaps through the withdrawal of crew rest Qantas are trying to provoke us into voting no.....?
An ulterior motive perhaps that may create the 'justification" for a greater attack/withdrawal of flying??
Once again, just a thought....
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I'm not a F/A but I was involved with a QF PER-JNB flight the other day and was surprised there was no CCRF in the hold. Could someone pleas tell me, what is the length of flight when the CCRF needs to be fitted? We all thought that there should have been one but were told it was not required PER-JNB.
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You are playing into the company hands, On any flight I am on I always give the crew first choice, always!
We look after ourselves first! only w@ankers do the opposite, I bet if you were on a flight you would be the first one to squeal because you werent "treated right"!
Could warp 57 tell me why would you want to vote \"yes\" to the dispensation when the Kiwi slave labour force is already doing them!
The Company have already reduced our FRA SIN slips, given us the worse LHR patterns, forced us to take LSL and now they want to take away our crew rest seats, and YOU want me to vote \"yes\" what the faarrrrk for! .
I agree that there should be some give and take, but I dont see any of this!
I can tell you that the Kiwi slaves will drop off in droves if they have to do this shuttle, all the better for us!
as it stands now they are short of them! currently SYD base crew are being called out to replace them!
SO I say let them have the shuttle, the company willl realise what a nightmare it will be to crew them.
Rammel.
No you are not entltled to horizontal crew rest for anything planned under 14hours!
This has been around for ages!
Go to the FAAA website and get a copy of the EBA.
You are playing into the company hands, On any flight I am on I always give the crew first choice, always!
We look after ourselves first! only w@ankers do the opposite, I bet if you were on a flight you would be the first one to squeal because you werent "treated right"!
Could warp 57 tell me why would you want to vote \"yes\" to the dispensation when the Kiwi slave labour force is already doing them!
The Company have already reduced our FRA SIN slips, given us the worse LHR patterns, forced us to take LSL and now they want to take away our crew rest seats, and YOU want me to vote \"yes\" what the faarrrrk for! .
I agree that there should be some give and take, but I dont see any of this!
I can tell you that the Kiwi slaves will drop off in droves if they have to do this shuttle, all the better for us!
as it stands now they are short of them! currently SYD base crew are being called out to replace them!
SO I say let them have the shuttle, the company willl realise what a nightmare it will be to crew them.
Rammel.
No you are not entltled to horizontal crew rest for anything planned under 14hours!
This has been around for ages!
Go to the FAAA website and get a copy of the EBA.
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VOTE NO ….
Let’s look again at the bigger picture here…
Qantas don’t want or need us to vote NO because otherwise they would have replaced us with AKL crews at any time with total impunity.
They don’t need a dispensation to operate the shuttle. FULL STOP…
They do want the dispensation for other reasons better known to themselves at the moment.
The crew rest seat debacle is another example that the company knows that the FAAA is as weak as water and is unlikely to aggressively defend cabin crew...
The closure of the Perth Long haul base is another...yet they give Syd based crew Per/Nrt trips????
We signed an EBA last year which is/was supposed to be a stable agreement for the term of the EBA.
The company however does not give a rat’s rectum (Wed Webbing Woop’s colourful phrase) about any EBA, they like old Adolph use the EBA to buy some time while they consider their next move.
One story I heard in the office was that Kylie was surprised that after the company reduced the slip in LHR and in SIN at the end of the FRA trip that we did not rescind the temporary dispensation.
The company’s excuse was that they did that because they CAN and he expected us to do the same. The fact that we did not apparently was a pleasant surprise to both Kylie and LG and quote “The FAAA lost some credibility today by not standing up for its members”…They could not believe their luck (or is it more than that)
Whilst the faaa is continuing with it’s policy of “softly softly..sshhh sshhh don’t make a noise” then we will have the company continually attacking us..
Left2Assist….I thought you said you were a techy but then you refer to “US VOTING”..????
We need to show some determination here…VOTE NO …..
Let’s look again at the bigger picture here…
Qantas don’t want or need us to vote NO because otherwise they would have replaced us with AKL crews at any time with total impunity.
They don’t need a dispensation to operate the shuttle. FULL STOP…
They do want the dispensation for other reasons better known to themselves at the moment.
The crew rest seat debacle is another example that the company knows that the FAAA is as weak as water and is unlikely to aggressively defend cabin crew...
The closure of the Perth Long haul base is another...yet they give Syd based crew Per/Nrt trips????
We signed an EBA last year which is/was supposed to be a stable agreement for the term of the EBA.
The company however does not give a rat’s rectum (Wed Webbing Woop’s colourful phrase) about any EBA, they like old Adolph use the EBA to buy some time while they consider their next move.
One story I heard in the office was that Kylie was surprised that after the company reduced the slip in LHR and in SIN at the end of the FRA trip that we did not rescind the temporary dispensation.
The company’s excuse was that they did that because they CAN and he expected us to do the same. The fact that we did not apparently was a pleasant surprise to both Kylie and LG and quote “The FAAA lost some credibility today by not standing up for its members”…They could not believe their luck (or is it more than that)
Whilst the faaa is continuing with it’s policy of “softly softly..sshhh sshhh don’t make a noise” then we will have the company continually attacking us..
Left2Assist….I thought you said you were a techy but then you refer to “US VOTING”..????
We need to show some determination here…VOTE NO …..
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The vote is I guess is to be mailed out ,however I hope that it will be organised throught the AEC as the election ballots are instead of just a faaa mail out.
One of the other points the faaa raised is the fatigue issue
The so called fatigue study (although the faaa has never produced any documentation) was supposedly been done by the same specialist who is working on a fatigue study for the tech crew union (AIPA).
A number of tech crew are required to wear a device that measures some body functions such as body temperature etc…as well as listing how much sleep they get and at what times (related to Sydney time and local time) and these figures are being compiled over a reasonable amount of time, It is at least 18 months but I think it is more like 2 years and still continuing .
How many cabin crew were involved in our study and over what period of time? The quick answer and you can ask the faaa but as far as I know it is zero crew and zero weeks let alone years. So the question has to be asked, what did the specialist base his findings on???? Probably the pattern book, so it is not what I would call an exhaustive scientific study and yet the faaa claims he has said that there is no reasonable fatigue.
Has he done a shuttle ????
I would like the faaa to publish his report!
VOTE NO....
One of the other points the faaa raised is the fatigue issue
The so called fatigue study (although the faaa has never produced any documentation) was supposedly been done by the same specialist who is working on a fatigue study for the tech crew union (AIPA).
A number of tech crew are required to wear a device that measures some body functions such as body temperature etc…as well as listing how much sleep they get and at what times (related to Sydney time and local time) and these figures are being compiled over a reasonable amount of time, It is at least 18 months but I think it is more like 2 years and still continuing .
How many cabin crew were involved in our study and over what period of time? The quick answer and you can ask the faaa but as far as I know it is zero crew and zero weeks let alone years. So the question has to be asked, what did the specialist base his findings on???? Probably the pattern book, so it is not what I would call an exhaustive scientific study and yet the faaa claims he has said that there is no reasonable fatigue.
Has he done a shuttle ????
I would like the faaa to publish his report!
VOTE NO....
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Think about the wider implications before you vote on anything...
At the moment CSM's and CSS's are all employed in Australia except for the self contained london base that we never cross crew with.
If the company uses an all Kiwi crew on the NYC shuttles that will go to 5 per week it will cause them to recruit more. It will mean further assigned LSL to Aussie crew as it will increase the excess.
Under the New IR laws the redundancy payments are nothing like what we have become used to. I for one dont want to be made redundant with 8 weeks pay.
If they use all Kiwi cabin crew then the CSM and CSS will slip in NYC.. This will increase pressure on the company to promote the Kiwi Base to CSM and CSS. Then listen to the screams from LH crew.
Currently we have an agreement that stops the company from employing CSM and CSS overseas. Who knows whether that will have any validity under the new laws.
Lowerlobe and others when listening to you i am reminded of King Canute who sat his throne infront of the sea and instructed it to turn back. Had he not had the common sense to move he would have drowned.
What is needed now is some level headed thinking. We can be replaced in a nano second by Jetstar international crew on a fraction on the pay and i do not want to give the company any inicentive to do it.
If i can make a few changes now then so be it. The FRA trip is legal, the london trip is legal the NYC shuttle is done by dispensation, and we keep the work and the overtime and get a minumum 36 hour slip after it.
We have always done hard sectors and its going to get hard again, hopefully we can live to fight another day when there is a change of goverment.
Dont throw your jobs out the window by listening to those who are so angry that they have lost perspective.
The FAAA officials cannot afford to lose their calm heads at this time, they cannot allow themselves to listen to the small minority like lowerlob.
All the crew i talk to are greatly concerened about job security more than anything else.
Lowerlobe your belief that fighting against Qantas and refusing reasonable changes in order to stop them from geting rid of us and replacing us with cheaper workers is flawed.
This dispensation is about sending a signal to Qantas that we are flexible. If the vote goes down lowerlobe and the company choose to recruit overseas crew to do the shuttle and everything that the union predicts occurs..will you identify yourself and resign???
At the moment CSM's and CSS's are all employed in Australia except for the self contained london base that we never cross crew with.
If the company uses an all Kiwi crew on the NYC shuttles that will go to 5 per week it will cause them to recruit more. It will mean further assigned LSL to Aussie crew as it will increase the excess.
Under the New IR laws the redundancy payments are nothing like what we have become used to. I for one dont want to be made redundant with 8 weeks pay.
If they use all Kiwi cabin crew then the CSM and CSS will slip in NYC.. This will increase pressure on the company to promote the Kiwi Base to CSM and CSS. Then listen to the screams from LH crew.
Currently we have an agreement that stops the company from employing CSM and CSS overseas. Who knows whether that will have any validity under the new laws.
Lowerlobe and others when listening to you i am reminded of King Canute who sat his throne infront of the sea and instructed it to turn back. Had he not had the common sense to move he would have drowned.
What is needed now is some level headed thinking. We can be replaced in a nano second by Jetstar international crew on a fraction on the pay and i do not want to give the company any inicentive to do it.
If i can make a few changes now then so be it. The FRA trip is legal, the london trip is legal the NYC shuttle is done by dispensation, and we keep the work and the overtime and get a minumum 36 hour slip after it.
We have always done hard sectors and its going to get hard again, hopefully we can live to fight another day when there is a change of goverment.
Dont throw your jobs out the window by listening to those who are so angry that they have lost perspective.
The FAAA officials cannot afford to lose their calm heads at this time, they cannot allow themselves to listen to the small minority like lowerlob.
All the crew i talk to are greatly concerened about job security more than anything else.
Lowerlobe your belief that fighting against Qantas and refusing reasonable changes in order to stop them from geting rid of us and replacing us with cheaper workers is flawed.
This dispensation is about sending a signal to Qantas that we are flexible. If the vote goes down lowerlobe and the company choose to recruit overseas crew to do the shuttle and everything that the union predicts occurs..will you identify yourself and resign???
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Web webbing Loop,
Just on the PER returns that you didnt enjoy.... I know they are a long day and you probably worked your butt off (i do them every so often), you talk about no crew rest. When would you have time to enjoy the crew rest?
The flying time over is usually about 4.30hrs - if its the breaky sector then i can see that you have more time to rest, but not that much time (unless you werent full - and thats rare to PER).
If its a lunch sector over then you are kept going pretty much (due to free grog) and you would get approx 30mins break each if you work it right.
The way home, flying is usually up to 1hr shorter and you certainly dont get alot of down time - especially if your working up the front. So whats the issue with a crew rest? You dont have time to enjoy it anyway!
No arguement that you need a crew rest on your longhaul sectors throughout the middle of the night - i'm jealous you get to have a bed and lay down! Goodluck to you!
We do a nasty "international" flight from ADL-AKL-ADL that is a 12hr duty all through the night on a crappy 737-800. Trust me - there's no crew rest on those little things - just 2 economy chairs that are in the back row against the rear dunny!
You want "your" international flying - take that one...it's all yours!
Just on the PER returns that you didnt enjoy.... I know they are a long day and you probably worked your butt off (i do them every so often), you talk about no crew rest. When would you have time to enjoy the crew rest?
The flying time over is usually about 4.30hrs - if its the breaky sector then i can see that you have more time to rest, but not that much time (unless you werent full - and thats rare to PER).
If its a lunch sector over then you are kept going pretty much (due to free grog) and you would get approx 30mins break each if you work it right.
The way home, flying is usually up to 1hr shorter and you certainly dont get alot of down time - especially if your working up the front. So whats the issue with a crew rest? You dont have time to enjoy it anyway!
No arguement that you need a crew rest on your longhaul sectors throughout the middle of the night - i'm jealous you get to have a bed and lay down! Goodluck to you!
We do a nasty "international" flight from ADL-AKL-ADL that is a 12hr duty all through the night on a crappy 737-800. Trust me - there's no crew rest on those little things - just 2 economy chairs that are in the back row against the rear dunny!
You want "your" international flying - take that one...it's all yours!
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Pegasus ,
In Sept 1938 the British Prime Minister was so concerned that the world was drawing closer to a cataclysmic event he went to Munich to appease Adolf Hitler .He flew back to London and waving the peace agreement from the top of the aircraft stairs declared “I have here a peace accord with Herr Hitler and achieved peace in our time”.Hitler had completely fooled Chamberlain and bought some valuable time attacking Czechoslovakia only 6 months later.
Similarly, if you and the faaa think that agreeing to a dispensation will impress the company and secure industrial peace for cabin crew you are all living in a fool’s paradise? The company, like Herr Hitler is just buying time and have other motives .By the time that the faaa leaders are in the lifts to the ground floor the company will be looking at the next step
If under the new IR laws the company can recruit CSS’s and CSM’s in other bases then they will ,no matter how many dispensations we give them because they will save money.
You miss however my points again...
The company does not need a dispensation so why do they want one???
The company is continually attacking us as others have mentioned even though we have signed an EBA which is/was supposed to be a stable peace agreement!!!
They have already replaced 6 Australian crew with AKL crew even with the temporary dispensation but this has not sunk in yet has it???..So much for saving jobs by giving in.
Why does the faaa send us so much rubbish when arguing their case...for example. “The fatigue study”. If something makes me suspicious of the faaa it is absolute BS like this!!!!
Change is inevitable especially in aviation but we should negotiate change not wave a white flag and surrender…
VOTE NO….
In Sept 1938 the British Prime Minister was so concerned that the world was drawing closer to a cataclysmic event he went to Munich to appease Adolf Hitler .He flew back to London and waving the peace agreement from the top of the aircraft stairs declared “I have here a peace accord with Herr Hitler and achieved peace in our time”.Hitler had completely fooled Chamberlain and bought some valuable time attacking Czechoslovakia only 6 months later.
Similarly, if you and the faaa think that agreeing to a dispensation will impress the company and secure industrial peace for cabin crew you are all living in a fool’s paradise? The company, like Herr Hitler is just buying time and have other motives .By the time that the faaa leaders are in the lifts to the ground floor the company will be looking at the next step
If under the new IR laws the company can recruit CSS’s and CSM’s in other bases then they will ,no matter how many dispensations we give them because they will save money.
You miss however my points again...
The company does not need a dispensation so why do they want one???
The company is continually attacking us as others have mentioned even though we have signed an EBA which is/was supposed to be a stable peace agreement!!!
They have already replaced 6 Australian crew with AKL crew even with the temporary dispensation but this has not sunk in yet has it???..So much for saving jobs by giving in.
Why does the faaa send us so much rubbish when arguing their case...for example. “The fatigue study”. If something makes me suspicious of the faaa it is absolute BS like this!!!!
Change is inevitable especially in aviation but we should negotiate change not wave a white flag and surrender…
VOTE NO….
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show me the study too
i do agree with lowerlobe. reading the email from the faaa mentioning the fatigue specialist, its nothing short of b**l***t. lets use simple math. call in lax is early morning (thats around midnight oz time) and you get back late evening to the hotel (thats evening oz time). then you add jetleg from the syd to lax sector and you have a very tired crew. no so called expert would agree this is a safe environment. all crew would like to see that so called letter (and are entitled to see it anyway) and who the expert is.
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Mrpaxing,
I agree,
Guardian1 and the rest of the faaa where is the document by the fatigue specialist...
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the tech crew have gone about a fatigue study in a methodical and scientific manner..what type have you had faaa..
Rumour has it that the specialist is Drew Dawson but I can't imagine him putting his name to a report that did not have any facts or figures.
Show it in the faaa web site or put it out as a newsletter
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I agree,
Guardian1 and the rest of the faaa where is the document by the fatigue specialist...
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the tech crew have gone about a fatigue study in a methodical and scientific manner..what type have you had faaa..
Rumour has it that the specialist is Drew Dawson but I can't imagine him putting his name to a report that did not have any facts or figures.
Show it in the faaa web site or put it out as a newsletter
VOTE NO TO THE DISPENSATION
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As I predicted months ago the NY shuttle pattern is now very hard to get. They are getting more and more senior every bid period as crew realise the extra money they are receiving in their pay packet and the additional days off they are getting on their roster. They are particular popular with commuters especially now with the fuel excise hitting hard. Everybody I have spoken to with be voting a big YES to the shuttle as will I. The FAAA are doing an excellent job in very difficult circumstances and are making sensible prudent decisions. If our lively hoods were left in the hands of some of the drop kicks in here, we would certainly be all on the dole que!
VOTEING YES TO THE DISPENSATION
VOTEING YES TO THE DISPENSATION
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...............................I agree with you. It is a very busy sector and you're right there is very little time for crew rest.
BUT..........our EBA ststes that we need to take a "rest" 20 min WITHIN the first 6 hours. This means that at 5hrs and 40 min the first group of crew should have their "proverbials" in a crew rest seat NOT a bloody jump seat with pax breathing on you asking for a Swan Lager!!!!
My S/H informant tells me that the S/H EBA is already a DONE DEAL.....................gee that must of been a tough round of negotiation.
Concede, bend over, oooooooohhhh noice!!!!!!!
Can't wait to see what conditions they have traded off this time.
Apparently "threats" were made by the QF team saying that if this is not signed off by March 1 2006-then we may need to renegotiate under the new Work Place Relations Act.
Kylie must be smiling like a Cheshire Cat-"you bewdy thats my 2006 bonus signed up ".
...............................I agree with you. It is a very busy sector and you're right there is very little time for crew rest.
BUT..........our EBA ststes that we need to take a "rest" 20 min WITHIN the first 6 hours. This means that at 5hrs and 40 min the first group of crew should have their "proverbials" in a crew rest seat NOT a bloody jump seat with pax breathing on you asking for a Swan Lager!!!!
My S/H informant tells me that the S/H EBA is already a DONE DEAL.....................gee that must of been a tough round of negotiation.
Concede, bend over, oooooooohhhh noice!!!!!!!
Can't wait to see what conditions they have traded off this time.
Apparently "threats" were made by the QF team saying that if this is not signed off by March 1 2006-then we may need to renegotiate under the new Work Place Relations Act.
Kylie must be smiling like a Cheshire Cat-"you bewdy thats my 2006 bonus signed up ".
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Webbing loop,
Just correct me on something. Your entitled to a break after 6hrs...but..is that flying or the total duty? If it's flying then unfortunatley that doesnt probably count.
Dont worry...we get something called MBNT (Meal break not taken) - not sure if you guys get them in L/H - i'm presuming not. Basically after a certain amount of hrs..i think its about 8 or so hours you get paid a meal penalty as you havent had a chance to eat - thats if you dont get a down time of 1hr on the ground to enjoy your snack box.
On the PER returns we used to get the MBNT penalty because you never got your 1hr on the ground to enjoy your break... but the buggers took that off us. It was worth about $70 in the hand - not bad. Now QF say that we have time on the ground - despite the fact we have cleaners, caterers etc etc onboard.
Anyway... if your entitled to a break then certainly raise it with someone. Claim your money or whatever you can.
Per returns do suck but they are an easy way for us to get hours up quickly over the month to get you up to your 123hrs - therefore more days off!
I think they would be similiar to 4day LAX's in terms of seniority.
And whats this about the S/H EBA? I can assure you we have been told NOTHING by the FAAA. Not even what the topics of negotiations are. We are all still waiting. If you know something then feel free to spill the beans......
Just correct me on something. Your entitled to a break after 6hrs...but..is that flying or the total duty? If it's flying then unfortunatley that doesnt probably count.
Dont worry...we get something called MBNT (Meal break not taken) - not sure if you guys get them in L/H - i'm presuming not. Basically after a certain amount of hrs..i think its about 8 or so hours you get paid a meal penalty as you havent had a chance to eat - thats if you dont get a down time of 1hr on the ground to enjoy your snack box.
On the PER returns we used to get the MBNT penalty because you never got your 1hr on the ground to enjoy your break... but the buggers took that off us. It was worth about $70 in the hand - not bad. Now QF say that we have time on the ground - despite the fact we have cleaners, caterers etc etc onboard.
Anyway... if your entitled to a break then certainly raise it with someone. Claim your money or whatever you can.
Per returns do suck but they are an easy way for us to get hours up quickly over the month to get you up to your 123hrs - therefore more days off!
I think they would be similiar to 4day LAX's in terms of seniority.
And whats this about the S/H EBA? I can assure you we have been told NOTHING by the FAAA. Not even what the topics of negotiations are. We are all still waiting. If you know something then feel free to spill the beans......
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Quote from Pro golfer69… “As I predicted months ago the NY shuttle pattern is now very hard to get.”
Very sad Golfer...
If you have a look as I have at the crew rosters for the 108 departing JFK on the next few days, you will see what I mean!
Even the CSM seniority is over 1800 and the most junior over 5000 on one flight…This is a senior crew????? You have to be kidding me…come on Pro golfer you can do better than that, surely.
The one shuttle that I did had crew called out from standby because crew went sick, so I would hardly describe the shuttles as hard to get unless your seniority is over 5000…
Quote “Everybody I have spoken to with be voting a big YES to the shuttle”...Sounds like that movie “Me, Myself and Irene”
Also still no one from the faaa answers any of our questions; all we get is Chicken Little scenarios... “The sky is falling. Watch out. Run...were all doomed”
1: Why does the company want a dispensation when they don’t need one???
2: Where is the documentation of the fatigue report???
3: What about the company replacing 6 Aust based crew with AKL based crew even with a temporary dispensation???
VOTE NO
Quote from Pro golfer69… “As I predicted months ago the NY shuttle pattern is now very hard to get.”
Very sad Golfer...
If you have a look as I have at the crew rosters for the 108 departing JFK on the next few days, you will see what I mean!
Even the CSM seniority is over 1800 and the most junior over 5000 on one flight…This is a senior crew????? You have to be kidding me…come on Pro golfer you can do better than that, surely.
The one shuttle that I did had crew called out from standby because crew went sick, so I would hardly describe the shuttles as hard to get unless your seniority is over 5000…
Quote “Everybody I have spoken to with be voting a big YES to the shuttle”...Sounds like that movie “Me, Myself and Irene”
Also still no one from the faaa answers any of our questions; all we get is Chicken Little scenarios... “The sky is falling. Watch out. Run...were all doomed”
1: Why does the company want a dispensation when they don’t need one???
2: Where is the documentation of the fatigue report???
3: What about the company replacing 6 Aust based crew with AKL based crew even with a temporary dispensation???
VOTE NO
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Trust me Lowerlobe when the vote results come through with a resounding YES result you’ll be the only one watching “Me, Myself and Irene”
As for the CSM seniority being over 1800, you might want to have a look at just a few more flights perhaps the 11th, 14th, 16th,18th, 21st for starters and even the one Xmas day, all below 1800. You’re going to have to just a little better then that!
As for the rest of the crew on these flights the majority of the seniority is in the 2000, 3000 and 4000 range with some lower and some higher. The fact is that these crew have the bidding power to bid for other trips such as LAX, FRA and regional trips if they wanted to, but they’re not there doing the shuttles. Oh dear I mean really it’s not rocket science!
VOTEING YES ALL THE WAY!
As for the CSM seniority being over 1800, you might want to have a look at just a few more flights perhaps the 11th, 14th, 16th,18th, 21st for starters and even the one Xmas day, all below 1800. You’re going to have to just a little better then that!
As for the rest of the crew on these flights the majority of the seniority is in the 2000, 3000 and 4000 range with some lower and some higher. The fact is that these crew have the bidding power to bid for other trips such as LAX, FRA and regional trips if they wanted to, but they’re not there doing the shuttles. Oh dear I mean really it’s not rocket science!
VOTEING YES ALL THE WAY!