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Crew Drinks
Easy, I believe crew should be allowed to have a drink on the bus but they have never been able to in s/h.
It clearly says no consumation in uniform but I never enforced it.
Tech crew are about to be told no more drinks on the bus as they are putting together a work and alcohol policy in line with cabin crews policy of drinking in uniform.
Do you really think the JFK sector made money ????? It was so empty the times I operated it and the yearly figures in the report sent to share holders showed small profits from cargo. If we could of picked up pax in LA, i think it would of been much more profitable.
You just don't get it do you, public company's can't publish unfactual lies to butter up it's employees or investors as it effects there share price and influences investment.
Read the stuff the C&L audit as a third party and then start posting facts and not your usual anti dixon, anti LHR, anti qf and anti modern airline enviroment/management.
It clearly says no consumation in uniform but I never enforced it.
Tech crew are about to be told no more drinks on the bus as they are putting together a work and alcohol policy in line with cabin crews policy of drinking in uniform.
Do you really think the JFK sector made money ????? It was so empty the times I operated it and the yearly figures in the report sent to share holders showed small profits from cargo. If we could of picked up pax in LA, i think it would of been much more profitable.
You just don't get it do you, public company's can't publish unfactual lies to butter up it's employees or investors as it effects there share price and influences investment.
Read the stuff the C&L audit as a third party and then start posting facts and not your usual anti dixon, anti LHR, anti qf and anti modern airline enviroment/management.
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Hi peanutpusher,
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"your usual anti dixon, anti LHR, anti qf and anti
modern airline enviroment/management."
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Can you tell us a little more about what you imply is unreasonable about our anti "all of the above".
Is it unreasonable that we resent that our FA conditions are under attack in order to increase our already record profits????
Is it unreasonable that we resent the fact that our jobs are being shifted offshore in order to increase our already record profits????
Is it unreasonable that we resent the bullying, threatening and intimidatory tactics used by the "guest workers" in there dealings with us????
Finally, what exactly is the, "modern airline enviroment/management" as you see it????
Is it the type that treats it's employees as if they are the enemy and whose own performance bonuses solely determine the decisions made at every level within the company????
Thats how I see it.
How do you?
Jettlager
P.S. I guess you must be the "modern type of airline employee"???
One happy to see the decimation of the conditions that YOU have enjoyed because you'll be gone inside of two years anyway????
Oh BTW. Isn't the JFK sector carried out by aircraft that would be sitting on the ground doing sweet FA all day anyway???
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"your usual anti dixon, anti LHR, anti qf and anti
modern airline enviroment/management."
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Can you tell us a little more about what you imply is unreasonable about our anti "all of the above".
Is it unreasonable that we resent that our FA conditions are under attack in order to increase our already record profits????
Is it unreasonable that we resent the fact that our jobs are being shifted offshore in order to increase our already record profits????
Is it unreasonable that we resent the bullying, threatening and intimidatory tactics used by the "guest workers" in there dealings with us????
Finally, what exactly is the, "modern airline enviroment/management" as you see it????
Is it the type that treats it's employees as if they are the enemy and whose own performance bonuses solely determine the decisions made at every level within the company????
Thats how I see it.
How do you?
Jettlager
P.S. I guess you must be the "modern type of airline employee"???
One happy to see the decimation of the conditions that YOU have enjoyed because you'll be gone inside of two years anyway????
Oh BTW. Isn't the JFK sector carried out by aircraft that would be sitting on the ground doing sweet FA all day anyway???
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Encapsulation...
1.I hope the LHR "experiment" is an absolute and total failure
2.I hope Dixon`s tenure is limited to six months
3.I hope that karma takes care of Dixon.
4 I hope that "peanut pusher" is exposed for what he/she is...someone who has finally risen to their own level of incompetence.
Then all will be right with the world
P.S Jet Black Monaro and peanut pusher have announced their engagement...Who`s the train...who`s the tunnel?
All will be revealed in september`s edition of " No Idea"
2.I hope Dixon`s tenure is limited to six months
3.I hope that karma takes care of Dixon.
4 I hope that "peanut pusher" is exposed for what he/she is...someone who has finally risen to their own level of incompetence.
Then all will be right with the world
P.S Jet Black Monaro and peanut pusher have announced their engagement...Who`s the train...who`s the tunnel?
All will be revealed in september`s edition of " No Idea"
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congratulations
peanut pusher & SpiritofAus have picked it.just testing if you are on the ball (chuckle, chuckle) yes you are right about the qf10. congrats you are on the ball. i stick to the other comments
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Dixon Disciple..Peanut Pusher;
What has my question about crew having a quiet drink after a long flight got to do with shorthaul ?
This is Longhaul,not shorthaul but I think quite a few LHR crew are thinking of LHR as another shorthaul base.getover it guys QF paid $400 million for S/H not the other way around !!!
What a load of nonsense about the techies going without a drink on the way to the pub !!!They would riot .!!! Are you sure you are not ex S/H. !!! Not even compactor shoe CSM would say no to crew drinks on the way to the pub.
If you are really that connected you would know that the JFK services are making a mint in freight and the A/C is sitting all day in LA doing nothing as jettlager has pointed out.The company is simply using this line as an excuse to try and get us to transit instead of slipping in New York
If you had done any JFK's in the last 12 months they did have substantial loads but the pax are the icing on the cake,the company is making a killing out of the freight.It is just another company spin that people like you fall for everytime.It is a wonder that you don't still believe in the flat earth theory as well.
It is you that does not get it,QF is like any other large orginisation that put's a spin on anything that they consider to be of importance to their reputation.
If you want a perfect example of the company spending a huge( over $100million ) amount to create a false impression ,look at what they did with the worlds most expensive golf buggy.
If they went to that much trouble in BKK how much do you think they would say and do to make the LHR base look like it is working.GD's reputation is on the line here.If you want to see someone who does not have any idea,look in a mirror.
EASTERNBOY;
It has been accepted practice in L/H to have a quiet drink on the way to the pub.It is not in public and we have not just flown domestically within the same time zone(basically) so it has always been allowed.
What has my question about crew having a quiet drink after a long flight got to do with shorthaul ?
This is Longhaul,not shorthaul but I think quite a few LHR crew are thinking of LHR as another shorthaul base.getover it guys QF paid $400 million for S/H not the other way around !!!
What a load of nonsense about the techies going without a drink on the way to the pub !!!They would riot .!!! Are you sure you are not ex S/H. !!! Not even compactor shoe CSM would say no to crew drinks on the way to the pub.
If you are really that connected you would know that the JFK services are making a mint in freight and the A/C is sitting all day in LA doing nothing as jettlager has pointed out.The company is simply using this line as an excuse to try and get us to transit instead of slipping in New York
If you had done any JFK's in the last 12 months they did have substantial loads but the pax are the icing on the cake,the company is making a killing out of the freight.It is just another company spin that people like you fall for everytime.It is a wonder that you don't still believe in the flat earth theory as well.
It is you that does not get it,QF is like any other large orginisation that put's a spin on anything that they consider to be of importance to their reputation.
If you want a perfect example of the company spending a huge( over $100million ) amount to create a false impression ,look at what they did with the worlds most expensive golf buggy.
If they went to that much trouble in BKK how much do you think they would say and do to make the LHR base look like it is working.GD's reputation is on the line here.If you want to see someone who does not have any idea,look in a mirror.
EASTERNBOY;
It has been accepted practice in L/H to have a quiet drink on the way to the pub.It is not in public and we have not just flown domestically within the same time zone(basically) so it has always been allowed.
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Once again another unfactual rave
1, Drinks on the bus ex LHR was raised by ex s/h crew asking why they couldn't drink and l/h tech and cabin crew could. So the LHR management asked the tech crew management what was the policy for drinking on the bus ? Tech crew management didn't have one but said they were developing one in line with cabin crews and would be released before xmas. So there you go a factual account not your usual non referenced load of mud slinging. Would you like me to show you in the CCOM manual were it states you may not consume alcohol in uniform at any time with it's variations ?
2, Read the Annual General report from Coopers and Lybrand that is sent to all share holders. Show me the big profits you claim out of the JFK. Seeing you know so much
Q1, What is the fuel bill and landing/operating costs for a 747-400 going to JFK as oposed to it sitting on the ground with no carry on costs untill departure?
Would you like a lesson in business management that cheap seats don't equal high yields and profits.
Show me the profits from JFK and name the source and were it can be accessed.
3, I was an ex LH SYD crew member before that I was in SH SYD crew member and couldn't give a rats about drinking on the bus.
4,QCC2 nice try to slip out of another lie to discredit the LHR base, why don't you state the fact and say your LH SYD crew made your f/flyer friend leave to travel BA.
5,What about the $1000 challange ? put your money were your huge mouth is.
6, Not one mention about the jacket swapping disgrace ex SIN, your silence is deafining service professionals.
7, If it not to your liking, why don't you leave, you don't seem to get it, that you don't own this airline you are only an employee.
Maybe a trip to the PanAm musium will show you that things like conditions,a/c and campany's change and if the don't they will join Ansett,Swiss, PanAm etc etc
8, I know the things that LG,MH and GD are hard, I had to move to LHR to do the flying I wanted but that will be any general manager of business that is being given direation from it's board to drive change and yield.
They arn't looking at today or tomorrow but a few years down the track when Emirates and other government sponsored airlines really start swinging at our heads.
2, Read the Annual General report from Coopers and Lybrand that is sent to all share holders. Show me the big profits you claim out of the JFK. Seeing you know so much
Q1, What is the fuel bill and landing/operating costs for a 747-400 going to JFK as oposed to it sitting on the ground with no carry on costs untill departure?
Would you like a lesson in business management that cheap seats don't equal high yields and profits.
Show me the profits from JFK and name the source and were it can be accessed.
3, I was an ex LH SYD crew member before that I was in SH SYD crew member and couldn't give a rats about drinking on the bus.
4,QCC2 nice try to slip out of another lie to discredit the LHR base, why don't you state the fact and say your LH SYD crew made your f/flyer friend leave to travel BA.
5,What about the $1000 challange ? put your money were your huge mouth is.
6, Not one mention about the jacket swapping disgrace ex SIN, your silence is deafining service professionals.
7, If it not to your liking, why don't you leave, you don't seem to get it, that you don't own this airline you are only an employee.
Maybe a trip to the PanAm musium will show you that things like conditions,a/c and campany's change and if the don't they will join Ansett,Swiss, PanAm etc etc
8, I know the things that LG,MH and GD are hard, I had to move to LHR to do the flying I wanted but that will be any general manager of business that is being given direation from it's board to drive change and yield.
They arn't looking at today or tomorrow but a few years down the track when Emirates and other government sponsored airlines really start swinging at our heads.
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BINGO....
"I was in SH SYD crew member "
I knew it...!!!!,what is it with S/H crew and your attitude to L/H ???
S/H have never liked L/H ever since we bought Australian airlines !!!! We took you over..get used to it, just as Australian airlines took over Eastern and Sunstate...When someone takes you over,you do things their way not the other way around..!!!
Only an ex-S/H would question an accepted practice that harms no one and creates good morale instead of destroying it and that we have been doing since time began .
Just because you don't have a drink after flying from Dubbo to Sydney does not mean we should not have a beer or whatever after flying for 12 hours or longer usually. Most people have a quiet drink after work and the bus ride to the pub usually takes considerably longer than the ride from the domestic terminal to the longterm car park..
and only an ex- S/H would say I'll show you in the CCOM the rule !!!!
You admitting that you are ex short haul explains your whole attitude to this mess...
There is nothing more that needs to be said !!!!
"I was in SH SYD crew member "
I knew it...!!!!,what is it with S/H crew and your attitude to L/H ???
S/H have never liked L/H ever since we bought Australian airlines !!!! We took you over..get used to it, just as Australian airlines took over Eastern and Sunstate...When someone takes you over,you do things their way not the other way around..!!!
Only an ex-S/H would question an accepted practice that harms no one and creates good morale instead of destroying it and that we have been doing since time began .
Just because you don't have a drink after flying from Dubbo to Sydney does not mean we should not have a beer or whatever after flying for 12 hours or longer usually. Most people have a quiet drink after work and the bus ride to the pub usually takes considerably longer than the ride from the domestic terminal to the longterm car park..
and only an ex- S/H would say I'll show you in the CCOM the rule !!!!
You admitting that you are ex short haul explains your whole attitude to this mess...
There is nothing more that needs to be said !!!!
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Times are tough?!!
Peanut Pusher
If times are so tough why doesn`t Dixon sell all the aircraft,outsource everything and QF can just become a virtual airline .
Accountants are notorious for hiding profit and showing loss.Again if JFK is running at a loss(?)why bother doing it ?.Dixon is not a flag waver.
If they really wanted better utilisation of a/c fly them between LAX and LHR...a very very busy route.Most of your diatribe is basic business 101 and hardly applicable and mostly irrelevant.
If times are so tough why doesn`t Dixon sell all the aircraft,outsource everything and QF can just become a virtual airline .
Accountants are notorious for hiding profit and showing loss.Again if JFK is running at a loss(?)why bother doing it ?.Dixon is not a flag waver.
If they really wanted better utilisation of a/c fly them between LAX and LHR...a very very busy route.Most of your diatribe is basic business 101 and hardly applicable and mostly irrelevant.
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peanutpusher,
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"What is the fuel bill and landing/operating costs for a 747-400 going to JFK as oposed to it sitting on the ground with no carry on costs untill departure?"
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Right.........So are you saying that the LAX airport authority charges QF NOTHING to park it's aircraft there all day????
Funny, I thought aircraft only made money when they are in the air. Something to do with being the whole point of the exercise, but WTF would I know?
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"I know the things that LG,MH and GD are hard, "
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Whats hard [or creative/constructive] about applying the "chainsaw Dunlop" school of management technique to Qantas in an effort to maximise short term profits and your own performance bonus????
Tell LG and MH that "lifestyle coaching" is a growth industry will you.
Jettlager
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"What is the fuel bill and landing/operating costs for a 747-400 going to JFK as oposed to it sitting on the ground with no carry on costs untill departure?"
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Right.........So are you saying that the LAX airport authority charges QF NOTHING to park it's aircraft there all day????
Funny, I thought aircraft only made money when they are in the air. Something to do with being the whole point of the exercise, but WTF would I know?
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"I know the things that LG,MH and GD are hard, "
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Whats hard [or creative/constructive] about applying the "chainsaw Dunlop" school of management technique to Qantas in an effort to maximise short term profits and your own performance bonus????
Tell LG and MH that "lifestyle coaching" is a growth industry will you.
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Thai CSS
Peanut, I suppose you will deny that a Thai crew member was given the CSS role on HKG-LHR a few nights ago when the CSS went sick.
Obviously the 3 ex LH Australian crew members in Y weren't good enough to do the role?
Obviously the 3 ex LH Australian crew members in Y weren't good enough to do the role?
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That would make sense.
QF mis-management wouldn't have to pay the Thai a higher duty allowance.
Qantas- "The Spirit Of................????
Whoever We Can Get The Cheapest"
QF mis-management wouldn't have to pay the Thai a higher duty allowance.
Qantas- "The Spirit Of................????
Whoever We Can Get The Cheapest"
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Just a thought,
No wonder QF is getting favourable pax feedback on LHR based trips ,checkout QF2 ex LHR 7.8.05......Total crew 18 including 7 Thais. !!!!!
Sounds as though the rumours of large Thai crew are true
It will be a cold day in hell before we get 18 crew out of Sydney for SYD based crew.We would get fantastic reviews if we had that many crew on each aircraft
No wonder QF is getting favourable pax feedback on LHR based trips ,checkout QF2 ex LHR 7.8.05......Total crew 18 including 7 Thais. !!!!!
Sounds as though the rumours of large Thai crew are true
It will be a cold day in hell before we get 18 crew out of Sydney for SYD based crew.We would get fantastic reviews if we had that many crew on each aircraft
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You are entitled to disagree with the use of crew from overseas bases, but please ensure that your posts do not contain derogatory comments that are based purely on race or nationality.
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Tightslot !
QUOTE !
You are entitled to disagree with the use of crew from overseas bases, but please ensure that your posts do not contain derogatory comments that are based purely on race or nationality.
Has this not been happeing throughout the thread !!! and someone has only just picked this up...
How long is this thread gonna get ? BORING now ! same old same old all the time and from what I can pick up its all based on hear say and the infamous "GALLEY FM"....
I will be a new FA with QF LHR and I have to say that am proud to have got through and looking forward to my time at this base and with QF - I already have ex colleagues who work here and love it and "have never looked back" their words not mine...We come from a fantastic service driven and major award winning UK charter airline who gives fantastic service and has some of the best crew ( however time for a change and new challenges) - So I know that the service I will give will knock the socks off my future pax.. I guess I can say the same for all QF LHR crew I have been to the UK offices and crew rooms and I can hand on heart say that these guys are some of the most friendly and dedicated crew I have ever met....
Shame I cant say the same for all you others on here ( from what I read anyway )......and SURPRISE not one of you are based at LHR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
You are entitled to disagree with the use of crew from overseas bases, but please ensure that your posts do not contain derogatory comments that are based purely on race or nationality.
Has this not been happeing throughout the thread !!! and someone has only just picked this up...
How long is this thread gonna get ? BORING now ! same old same old all the time and from what I can pick up its all based on hear say and the infamous "GALLEY FM"....
I will be a new FA with QF LHR and I have to say that am proud to have got through and looking forward to my time at this base and with QF - I already have ex colleagues who work here and love it and "have never looked back" their words not mine...We come from a fantastic service driven and major award winning UK charter airline who gives fantastic service and has some of the best crew ( however time for a change and new challenges) - So I know that the service I will give will knock the socks off my future pax.. I guess I can say the same for all QF LHR crew I have been to the UK offices and crew rooms and I can hand on heart say that these guys are some of the most friendly and dedicated crew I have ever met....
Shame I cant say the same for all you others on here ( from what I read anyway )......and SURPRISE not one of you are based at LHR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
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Bingo Bingo Bingo waaaaaaaaaaa
Listen to the little baby lowernob
I couldn't give a sh_t about drinking on the bus, it's never been a deal with me and I liked the odd beer after a long sector.
Your responce about buy outs and ex s/h crew is the biggest load of inmature rubbish.
I was recruited as L/H but got offered S/H, joined and then transfered to L/H were I like it.
Your so full of hate I'am waiting for a massacre in QCA, hows your stash of weapons and bombs going ?
The only time they have 7 thai crew and 18 is when the reserves are positioning to LHR for there reserve coverage and they work up.
After the new recruits finish training there will be no more need for Thai reserves.
Get your resume ready lowernob as the time is not too far away when the rubbish will be removed and the obsolete put out of there missery.
And still no reply re: The great SIN jacket exchange, what do you think of that bus drink boy
I couldn't give a sh_t about drinking on the bus, it's never been a deal with me and I liked the odd beer after a long sector.
Your responce about buy outs and ex s/h crew is the biggest load of inmature rubbish.
I was recruited as L/H but got offered S/H, joined and then transfered to L/H were I like it.
Your so full of hate I'am waiting for a massacre in QCA, hows your stash of weapons and bombs going ?
The only time they have 7 thai crew and 18 is when the reserves are positioning to LHR for there reserve coverage and they work up.
After the new recruits finish training there will be no more need for Thai reserves.
Get your resume ready lowernob as the time is not too far away when the rubbish will be removed and the obsolete put out of there missery.
And still no reply re: The great SIN jacket exchange, what do you think of that bus drink boy
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Hi!
Was it on here that i read it or was it someone that told me that they travelled on a QF flight where it was pretty much crewed entirely by Thai based crew and while out doing the service they're all talking to each other over the carts in Thai etc. If this is the case, fantastic look for an Australian airline! I believe in multiculturalism etc and am not racist by any means, but if i was a pax travelling on this Qantas flight i would be appalled! Surely the F/A's know they're working for an Australian airline and would have the decency to speak English out in the cabin!
Interesting.
Oz
Was it on here that i read it or was it someone that told me that they travelled on a QF flight where it was pretty much crewed entirely by Thai based crew and while out doing the service they're all talking to each other over the carts in Thai etc. If this is the case, fantastic look for an Australian airline! I believe in multiculturalism etc and am not racist by any means, but if i was a pax travelling on this Qantas flight i would be appalled! Surely the F/A's know they're working for an Australian airline and would have the decency to speak English out in the cabin!
Interesting.
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peanutpusher,
"The only time they have 7 thai crew and 18 is when the reserves are positioning to LHR for there reserve coverage and they work up."
They work home to BKK too dont they? Iv'e heard that crew complements of 18 and 19 are not unusual.
" the rubbish will be removed and the obsolete put out of there missery."
Would they that you are refering to be the disengaged???
The Hewitt survey indicated the disengaged to be around 70% of the [operational] workforce, company wide.
Pray tell. Who will run the airline if only the sycophants are left?
"The only time they have 7 thai crew and 18 is when the reserves are positioning to LHR for there reserve coverage and they work up."
They work home to BKK too dont they? Iv'e heard that crew complements of 18 and 19 are not unusual.
" the rubbish will be removed and the obsolete put out of there missery."
Would they that you are refering to be the disengaged???
The Hewitt survey indicated the disengaged to be around 70% of the [operational] workforce, company wide.
Pray tell. Who will run the airline if only the sycophants are left?
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Disciple of Dixon...Peanut (CCOM)Pusher:
Have you looked in that mirror yet ???? If so can you see a reflection ???
Tightslot:
I have never made any derogatory comments about any other nationality ,Thai or otherwise,I have no problems with any nationality just those Australians over there in romper room who by thinking of themselves lower the working conditions of those who"STILL CALL AUSTRALIA HOME".
Lowerlobe
Have you looked in that mirror yet ???? If so can you see a reflection ???
Tightslot:
I have never made any derogatory comments about any other nationality ,Thai or otherwise,I have no problems with any nationality just those Australians over there in romper room who by thinking of themselves lower the working conditions of those who"STILL CALL AUSTRALIA HOME".
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lets face it Peanut pusher your actions are undermining the the conditions of cabin crew, and by your actions I mean helping them set up that "strike breaking base in LHR"
You can sit there and defend yourself and the base as much as you want but lets face it, we all know why it was set up.
Wake up!
And as far as the jackets are concerned, very childish, and it would have served no purpose, but I doubt that it would have happened, from reading your posts I would not be surprised that you made up the whole thing yourself.
PS want2fly you havent even started flying with UK QF and you sound painful, hope uo and PP fly together all the time,
Keep an eye on those jackets!
You can sit there and defend yourself and the base as much as you want but lets face it, we all know why it was set up.
Wake up!
And as far as the jackets are concerned, very childish, and it would have served no purpose, but I doubt that it would have happened, from reading your posts I would not be surprised that you made up the whole thing yourself.
PS want2fly you havent even started flying with UK QF and you sound painful, hope uo and PP fly together all the time,
Keep an eye on those jackets!