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Well said.
Not only would you register your disapproval with QF, you'd also make available a job opportunity for some one who says they are serious about customer service.
And I'll patronise QF long haul again.
Or will pigs fly?
Well said.
Show the company you've had enough. By resigning, not only will you kick them in the guts, but you'd probably be able to make a hell of a lot more money with your skill set elsewhere (surely!).
And I'll patronise QF long haul again.
Or will pigs fly?
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excess data,
the following is a quote from the end of a post you made 12 months or so ago.
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"Academic really - at least Qantas mainline employees are on decent conditions."
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We [Qantas mainline] aim to keep it that way.
Thanks for your interest and support.
Jettlager
the following is a quote from the end of a post you made 12 months or so ago.
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"Academic really - at least Qantas mainline employees are on decent conditions."
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We [Qantas mainline] aim to keep it that way.
Thanks for your interest and support.
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Sure, jetlagger. But I spose my point (in return to the Q bashing going on in this thread- and remember that 'Q' is all of its employees) was that QF mainline CC conditions would have to deteriorate significantly and substantially further before their wicket would be considered anything less than very, very good - note that this ISN'T a barb, but rather a fairly objective observation based on how your conditions weigh up against the competition (and yep, I've looked into it quite a bit). And if conditions had deteriorated to the point where your quality of life/remuneration was no longer adequate, then you'd see that in the form of a mass exodus to the greener pastures elsewhere. No such exodus has occurred, as I believe no such 'below standard' decline of conditions has occurred. In fact I think the QF mainline CC have some way to fall before their package/lifestyle could be considered anything less than 'extraordinary'...
It's not a personal comment, jetlagger, but I don't know what else I can say?
It's not a personal comment, jetlagger, but I don't know what else I can say?
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12 months ago our conditions, [to quote you] were decent and yet today you deem them "extraordinary".
As a longhauler I can attest to the fact that nothing positive has occured since then, to our terms and conditions.
3% PA increase to our basic which puts us behind CPI and with the LHR base, hundreds of us are 10-20% out of pocket.
We ARE paid higher than other Australian FAs however we operate a more complex 3 CLASS FULL SERVICE arrangement and like it or not an element of what we earn historically reflects the fact that 7 months of our lives are spent away from home.
We recieve nothing extra in the way of penalty payments for holidays and the unsociable hours we work with the majority of our work days seeing us missing a nights sleep.
It is a mistake to compare us, what we do and our renumeration with domestic FAs as the roles really are like chalk and cheese.
Given the profitability of QF and the contribution we make to it, I can see NO REASON for any reduction to the conditions we [and other operational employees] currently earn.
Hypocacy is rampant at the exective level in QF. They handsomely reward themselves in the way of performance bonuses whilst constantly harping that "the sky is falling" and that "WE ALL" must do more for less.
A recent Longhaul Cabin Crew Manager resigned recently quietly quoting disgust with the direction this company takes with it's staff and their [QF's] complete obsession with short term profitability at ANY/ALL cost. Rumour has it that he claimed QF was the worst managed company that he had ever worked for.
We will continue do all we can to maintain our terms and conditions in the face of this rampant greed and hypocracy but with geoff dixon part of little johnny's industrial relations reform committee, that isn't going to be easy.
I suspect Australia is about to take a massive leap to the political right like NEVER before seen in this country.
Your dreams may, through legislation, come true...................
Jettlager
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12 months ago our conditions, [to quote you] were decent and yet today you deem them "extraordinary".
As a longhauler I can attest to the fact that nothing positive has occured since then, to our terms and conditions.
3% PA increase to our basic which puts us behind CPI and with the LHR base, hundreds of us are 10-20% out of pocket.
We ARE paid higher than other Australian FAs however we operate a more complex 3 CLASS FULL SERVICE arrangement and like it or not an element of what we earn historically reflects the fact that 7 months of our lives are spent away from home.
We recieve nothing extra in the way of penalty payments for holidays and the unsociable hours we work with the majority of our work days seeing us missing a nights sleep.
It is a mistake to compare us, what we do and our renumeration with domestic FAs as the roles really are like chalk and cheese.
Given the profitability of QF and the contribution we make to it, I can see NO REASON for any reduction to the conditions we [and other operational employees] currently earn.
Hypocacy is rampant at the exective level in QF. They handsomely reward themselves in the way of performance bonuses whilst constantly harping that "the sky is falling" and that "WE ALL" must do more for less.
A recent Longhaul Cabin Crew Manager resigned recently quietly quoting disgust with the direction this company takes with it's staff and their [QF's] complete obsession with short term profitability at ANY/ALL cost. Rumour has it that he claimed QF was the worst managed company that he had ever worked for.
We will continue do all we can to maintain our terms and conditions in the face of this rampant greed and hypocracy but with geoff dixon part of little johnny's industrial relations reform committee, that isn't going to be easy.
I suspect Australia is about to take a massive leap to the political right like NEVER before seen in this country.
Your dreams may, through legislation, come true...................
Jettlager
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Apparently the next permanent flight attendants to be employed by Qantas will be on a different and much lower pay scale/system then the current Qantas permanent flight attendants! It keeps getting worse I suppose..even for the permanents!! That is dissapointing!
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Rolls,
if geoff dixon gets his way there wont BE any permanent FAs ever again.
Didn't you know?
little johnny and his offsider costello say that people WANT more casual/partime/contract work.
You know the type?
The type that doesn't provide the conditions that allow you to borrow money to buy a car or a house and leaves you living week to week with no security of pay/employment.
The conditions of employment that DO provide for the above and afforded some security, were a given, for your parents generation.
We once had a social/industrial structure in this country that was the envy of the world.............
I hope that the backlash against what is going to come will see the right side of politics out of office for a long, long time.
Jettlager
if geoff dixon gets his way there wont BE any permanent FAs ever again.
Didn't you know?
little johnny and his offsider costello say that people WANT more casual/partime/contract work.
You know the type?
The type that doesn't provide the conditions that allow you to borrow money to buy a car or a house and leaves you living week to week with no security of pay/employment.
The conditions of employment that DO provide for the above and afforded some security, were a given, for your parents generation.
We once had a social/industrial structure in this country that was the envy of the world.............
I hope that the backlash against what is going to come will see the right side of politics out of office for a long, long time.
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Huge Grunt
The BNE base did not erode our conditons in any way and it is not an off shore base.The PER base was never going to work(not enough flying)Mel...well we will see.I don't think that the FAAA abandoned these bases at all.Just empty rhetoric on your part.
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Nice comments re short haul f/a's jetlagger. Is it just my imagination or don't other fa's in any airline also work on holidays, night times, shift work etc.?
I suppose it is obvious that nobody has as many skills, works so hard and deserves more pay as they alone increase the company profitability more than you long haul f/a's. If maybe you started treating others in the company with more respect, rather than bleating constantly from your pedestal, then there would be more support for your cause.
Perhaps that is why short haulers all bow to you when you walk past as well.
I suppose it is obvious that nobody has as many skills, works so hard and deserves more pay as they alone increase the company profitability more than you long haul f/a's. If maybe you started treating others in the company with more respect, rather than bleating constantly from your pedestal, then there would be more support for your cause.
Perhaps that is why short haulers all bow to you when you walk past as well.
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whitepointer,
have you heard of "band payments?".
I'm dizzy to the point of falling over with the "spin" in your post.
You dont report directly to kylie do you?
Boring................................
Jettlager
have you heard of "band payments?".
I'm dizzy to the point of falling over with the "spin" in your post.
You dont report directly to kylie do you?
Boring................................
Jettlager
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dont bash shorthaulers
Jetlagger,
careful what you say about...
Quote - "It is a mistake to compare us, what we do and our renumeration with domestic FAs as the roles really are like chalk and cheese".
Can you explain how they are like chalk and cheese?
We operate flights out of Singapore down to Darwin, then to adelaide then home to sydney in one single duty. Min 14hr tour of duty but you can pretty much expect it to blow out to up 16hrs - yes, true. No cab rides for us home - allowances a minimum amount compared to yourself.
The next day we can then be operating 4legs - a 10hr 20min duty after this big duty the day before.
Just have a reality check buddy. You are not the only ones working long night sectors, public holidays etc. As for band money - lets swap. You have our band money and i'll happily take your allowances.
I dont know ANYONE in short haul who would earn more money than a longhauler, and thats working more hours than you do.
Please - this is not an attack at l/haulers, i have alot of respect for what you guys do and feel for you losing trips - jetlagger just needs to know that s/h work bloody hard as well and gone are the days of chalk and cheese between the two divisions.
careful what you say about...
Quote - "It is a mistake to compare us, what we do and our renumeration with domestic FAs as the roles really are like chalk and cheese".
Can you explain how they are like chalk and cheese?
We operate flights out of Singapore down to Darwin, then to adelaide then home to sydney in one single duty. Min 14hr tour of duty but you can pretty much expect it to blow out to up 16hrs - yes, true. No cab rides for us home - allowances a minimum amount compared to yourself.
The next day we can then be operating 4legs - a 10hr 20min duty after this big duty the day before.
Just have a reality check buddy. You are not the only ones working long night sectors, public holidays etc. As for band money - lets swap. You have our band money and i'll happily take your allowances.
I dont know ANYONE in short haul who would earn more money than a longhauler, and thats working more hours than you do.
Please - this is not an attack at l/haulers, i have alot of respect for what you guys do and feel for you losing trips - jetlagger just needs to know that s/h work bloody hard as well and gone are the days of chalk and cheese between the two divisions.
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nothing changes
can i please just say one thing?
i dont care if people get stuck into me on this, i understand long hauls frustrations as well as short hauls, but hey if u dont like it get out! its simple as that, having been on line for 18 months i see it everyday, and i wonder why these people who complain are still around.
yes we all are being screwed by the company, it sucks, we are just a number, and really they dont give 2 hoots about us.
but where else will u get a job that pays so well, with little amount of training and the benefits associated with it?
put yourselves in a jetstar flight attendants shoes for a day, then i am sure u will think differently. Or even worse put yourself in my shoes, the poor little casual who covers your sick leave, is always willing to work (cause u never know it may not b there next week), this casual doesnt get band payments, no holidays, no staff travel, and is constantly reminded that "you are just a contractor, u do not work for qantas"
Ps-this is not a whinge for me, just stating how it is for us. I doubt u would ever find a casual complaning, we feel lucky to have a job.
We get our rosters a week out which makes trying to organise our lives so much harder, im sorry guys but take a look around, you could be worse off, and be thankful u have a job.
Go ahead and tell me off all you want, i just think some people out there think the company owes them, if its no longer fun get out, you cant be doing yourself any good.
i dont care if people get stuck into me on this, i understand long hauls frustrations as well as short hauls, but hey if u dont like it get out! its simple as that, having been on line for 18 months i see it everyday, and i wonder why these people who complain are still around.
yes we all are being screwed by the company, it sucks, we are just a number, and really they dont give 2 hoots about us.
but where else will u get a job that pays so well, with little amount of training and the benefits associated with it?
put yourselves in a jetstar flight attendants shoes for a day, then i am sure u will think differently. Or even worse put yourself in my shoes, the poor little casual who covers your sick leave, is always willing to work (cause u never know it may not b there next week), this casual doesnt get band payments, no holidays, no staff travel, and is constantly reminded that "you are just a contractor, u do not work for qantas"
Ps-this is not a whinge for me, just stating how it is for us. I doubt u would ever find a casual complaning, we feel lucky to have a job.
We get our rosters a week out which makes trying to organise our lives so much harder, im sorry guys but take a look around, you could be worse off, and be thankful u have a job.
Go ahead and tell me off all you want, i just think some people out there think the company owes them, if its no longer fun get out, you cant be doing yourself any good.
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Shorthaul`s naivete in accepting the conditions in their last EBA helped no one.The 16 hour days and no cab ride were negotiated by the shorthaul union executive.This plus the reduction in band payments for transferring longhaul allowed Dixon to screw two birds with one stone.Longhaulers have a reason to be amazed and disappointed by this myopia.The job used to be different, but now....?Many shorthaul friends are not happy Darryl!!!
Don`t let yourselves get done over a second time!!!
Don`t let yourselves get done over a second time!!!
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Clearly you didnt understand what i said.
ALL i was trying to do was point out to Jetlagger that S/H and L/H are not chalk and cheese and that in L/H you dont necessarily work harder.
Thats all.
I wasnt trying to bring up an EBA arguement - not interested in going into that whole debate - just beyond me why Jetlagger has made the comments against S/H.
Hey - they way things are going we will all be working together one day and there wont be two divisions - who knows!
ALL i was trying to do was point out to Jetlagger that S/H and L/H are not chalk and cheese and that in L/H you dont necessarily work harder.
Thats all.
I wasnt trying to bring up an EBA arguement - not interested in going into that whole debate - just beyond me why Jetlagger has made the comments against S/H.
Hey - they way things are going we will all be working together one day and there wont be two divisions - who knows!
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Huge Grunt
As usual..long on rhetoric and short on....anything constructive.Stand for election next time and see if you can make an improvement.Talk about pine nuts for testicles.
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And that's about the best you can do... take a shallow swipe!
Bet you take a swipe at me too.
Basically I agree with HG except for the bit about the screw the roo team. I don't believe they are on the same planet as the rest of mankind! And heaven forbid they run for FAAA spots!
When are long haul crew going to wake up and see that they are no longer represented. We have got a key FAAA executive more worried about a pantyhose survey that the continual erosion of entitlements (sorry girls, I know it is important to you, but could they not have left it up to the OH&S team).
Perfect example of the lack of relevance of the FAAA is the current stance by AO to set up a new consultative committee. Looks like the current committee, made up of primarily FAAA officials, would be more aptly named the “destructive committee”.
But the FAAA will tell you that they are the authority on negotiating on your behalf.
My view is they have lost focus, lost touch and still believe in the old militant union mentality. The reality is that it just doesn’t wash any more. The corporate world has moved on and as much as crew hates to think it, QF is now a corporate entity and behaves like one.
So how about the FAAA get off their buts and have a go at trying to fix some stuff by good old fashion negotiations (that means conversation, consultation, compromise and conclusion).
Hey why not have a go at stopping the annihilation of my long service leave. I was hoping to save that for a rainy day when QF decide they not longer need me and dump me on the dole queue. But it would seem that QF is hell bent on making sure I leave with zippo after 15 years.
Come on guys, stand up and make a name for yourselves… I dare you!
Ooops sorry. This thread is about the LHR base...
Bet you take a swipe at me too.
Basically I agree with HG except for the bit about the screw the roo team. I don't believe they are on the same planet as the rest of mankind! And heaven forbid they run for FAAA spots!
When are long haul crew going to wake up and see that they are no longer represented. We have got a key FAAA executive more worried about a pantyhose survey that the continual erosion of entitlements (sorry girls, I know it is important to you, but could they not have left it up to the OH&S team).
Perfect example of the lack of relevance of the FAAA is the current stance by AO to set up a new consultative committee. Looks like the current committee, made up of primarily FAAA officials, would be more aptly named the “destructive committee”.
But the FAAA will tell you that they are the authority on negotiating on your behalf.
My view is they have lost focus, lost touch and still believe in the old militant union mentality. The reality is that it just doesn’t wash any more. The corporate world has moved on and as much as crew hates to think it, QF is now a corporate entity and behaves like one.
So how about the FAAA get off their buts and have a go at trying to fix some stuff by good old fashion negotiations (that means conversation, consultation, compromise and conclusion).
Hey why not have a go at stopping the annihilation of my long service leave. I was hoping to save that for a rainy day when QF decide they not longer need me and dump me on the dole queue. But it would seem that QF is hell bent on making sure I leave with zippo after 15 years.
Come on guys, stand up and make a name for yourselves… I dare you!
Ooops sorry. This thread is about the LHR base...
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QFCSM..Election
Both Huge Grunt and Qfcsm on an election ticket.....there would be no Australian Crew on QF Aircraft within 6 months.Your thoughts about conversation,compromise etc.would be fine if QF management adopted the same principles.....Guess what?they don't!It is management by divine right.
No swipe intended,just come up with some constructive ideas instead of criticism
No swipe intended,just come up with some constructive ideas instead of criticism