Qantas Australia Interviews - Anyone heard back yet?
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amongthestars,
If you really want to fly, you will get there. Persistence is 9/10 the effort you require to sometimes get into this job - strange but true.
I know of people who, like many, took HEAPS of interviews to get into flying. Some of them fly with me. And they are the best crew in the sky. Some get in first go, others not so easy. Just the way life goes sometimes.
Jetstar are constantly on the lookout for crew. Unless your email/letter saying 'thanks but not yet' stated a time limit, I'd say that you should give it another go. Don't let this, or anything else, step in your way to achieving what you really want.
Take care. Safe flying!
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If you really want to fly, you will get there. Persistence is 9/10 the effort you require to sometimes get into this job - strange but true.
I know of people who, like many, took HEAPS of interviews to get into flying. Some of them fly with me. And they are the best crew in the sky. Some get in first go, others not so easy. Just the way life goes sometimes.
Jetstar are constantly on the lookout for crew. Unless your email/letter saying 'thanks but not yet' stated a time limit, I'd say that you should give it another go. Don't let this, or anything else, step in your way to achieving what you really want.
Take care. Safe flying!
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LMAO
Good on you Geoff you've gone and made your happy CC even happier with all this "strike breaking" nonsense. Furthermore you have probably lost some good recruits to other airlines because of the way you will treat the "strike breakers" now that you dont need them.
Heard a whisper that yours truly may be hiring in Jan next year, so boys and girls make sure you CV is up to date.
Good on you Geoff you've gone and made your happy CC even happier with all this "strike breaking" nonsense. Furthermore you have probably lost some good recruits to other airlines because of the way you will treat the "strike breakers" now that you dont need them.
Heard a whisper that yours truly may be hiring in Jan next year, so boys and girls make sure you CV is up to date.
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Paris_Flyer...
Again you are misguided. I love the way how you complain how others 'still have their job'. Didn't you realise the contract you went for wasn't a job? It was just a fill in position for three months to 'fill in' for striking crew. If you're so so upset how people on this website still have their flying job, don't quit your previous employment then or once again as I mentioned before if you're such a desparado to fly, join an airline or contract company that will offer you a full time or casual position. You are complaining before you even had a chance to start flying 'at least you still have your job'... The funny thing is if you did end up flying for three months I know you'd be saying the same thing 'at least you still have your job', after Qantas would have gotten rid of you. Sob sob.
'...have you seen a copy (of the strike breakers' award)? If you haven't you should stop critisizing so much. At the end of the day you still have your job.'
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Good on you Galley_hag and all the others! Chinup, you're missing the point to this whole saga. The STRIKE BREAKERS (that's what they are, not employees!) are RUINING the conditions of people who have worked and been loyal to QF for many, many years!
It's not just a job to some people, it's their way of life, it's their life style, it IS their life, and to have these people walts on in who are so desperate to become crew, not have a care in the world apart from their selfish selves must be really eating them up inside. I know if the same thing happened at BA I'd be the first one to voice my complete and utter disgust!
It's not just a job to some people, it's their way of life, it's their life style, it IS their life, and to have these people walts on in who are so desperate to become crew, not have a care in the world apart from their selfish selves must be really eating them up inside. I know if the same thing happened at BA I'd be the first one to voice my complete and utter disgust!
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Its not a bl**dy award we have won, its our career and our life and it will always be my right to fight for anything that I believe in when it concerns my future.
" A privilige" give me a break, we are not the QF recruitment team, you dont have to go on with that crap on here!!
Its not a bl**dy award we have won, its our career and our life and it will always be my right to fight for anything that I believe in when it concerns my future.
" A privilige" give me a break, we are not the QF recruitment team, you dont have to go on with that crap on here!!
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flying_sarah..
I completely understand your opinion, that these strike breakers are 'ruining' the conditions of people who have worked for them. But before you start attacking people and calling then selfish, i think you should just TRY to see it from their point of view...
Others have jobs and lives too. Just because they choose to accept a three month contract because it may be convienient to them, or even just what they WANT to do, is no reason to start calling them selfish! What about their lives? Why should some people turn down an oppotunity that they see nothing wrong with, just for somebody else?
If you went for a job interview and was offered the position, would you turn it down just because the person who 'came second' really wanted the job and worked really hard for it? I don't think so........ But wouldn't that make you selfish??
I completely understand your opinion, that these strike breakers are 'ruining' the conditions of people who have worked for them. But before you start attacking people and calling then selfish, i think you should just TRY to see it from their point of view...
Others have jobs and lives too. Just because they choose to accept a three month contract because it may be convienient to them, or even just what they WANT to do, is no reason to start calling them selfish! What about their lives? Why should some people turn down an oppotunity that they see nothing wrong with, just for somebody else?
If you went for a job interview and was offered the position, would you turn it down just because the person who 'came second' really wanted the job and worked really hard for it? I don't think so........ But wouldn't that make you selfish??
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Well, from all the posts I've read its full of these contractors complaining they quit their current jobs FOR Qantas! Not a matter of convienience. Not a smart idea. I have friends that didn't accept this position, because their dreams of flying would be horrible for three months and for the rest of their lives after that! Now they're enjoying a proper flying position and some are still looking and will get there.
Why isn't anyone getting the idea?
If people are desparate to fly they should be smarter. If they join just for three months, they are stopping recruitment for themselves in the years to come, as they will help Qantas promote the London/overseas bases! They don't understand this! I don't think they do, but its plain and simple. Not only are they ruining it for the crew that have been there for years trying to protect themselves and future Australian employees, but also they're ruining it for themselves in the future. If they did help for three months, Qantas could have won and then say 'see ya' to all contractors and 'see ya' to many Australian applicants in the future by recruiting more overseas staff.
Those that said yes to Qantas, grow up, and I'm glad Qantas made a deal with the FAAA and what has happened. As I have said before, join another company if you want to be a REAL flight attendant (not just one that fulfils your fantasies of doing a demo once or twice), a company that will treat you like a proper employee (and dress you like one too).
Jees.
Just because they choose to accept a three month contract because it may be convienient to them
Why isn't anyone getting the idea?
If people are desparate to fly they should be smarter. If they join just for three months, they are stopping recruitment for themselves in the years to come, as they will help Qantas promote the London/overseas bases! They don't understand this! I don't think they do, but its plain and simple. Not only are they ruining it for the crew that have been there for years trying to protect themselves and future Australian employees, but also they're ruining it for themselves in the future. If they did help for three months, Qantas could have won and then say 'see ya' to all contractors and 'see ya' to many Australian applicants in the future by recruiting more overseas staff.
Those that said yes to Qantas, grow up, and I'm glad Qantas made a deal with the FAAA and what has happened. As I have said before, join another company if you want to be a REAL flight attendant (not just one that fulfils your fantasies of doing a demo once or twice), a company that will treat you like a proper employee (and dress you like one too).
Jees.
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Go the wannabes
Galley power, you need to get off your high horse.
I've been following what you've been saying for a few days now and it seems to me that you just like putting the rest of us "hopefulls" down.
I was devestated to find out that I wasn't going to be a qantas strike breaker... even though the contract was for a few months I saw it as a way of getting my foot in the door, and hopefully the start of a fantastic career! I was certain they would have kept us on in some role, so please before you tell us about ruining your chances for future australian airline jobs, take into account that being a strikebreaker IS a future airline job for many of us.
If you other trolley dolley's keep striking, there is an endless amount of people out there that are happy to fill your shoes for much less than what you get paid currently!
Think about this before you go bagging out us air hostess wannabes.
I've been following what you've been saying for a few days now and it seems to me that you just like putting the rest of us "hopefulls" down.
I was devestated to find out that I wasn't going to be a qantas strike breaker... even though the contract was for a few months I saw it as a way of getting my foot in the door, and hopefully the start of a fantastic career! I was certain they would have kept us on in some role, so please before you tell us about ruining your chances for future australian airline jobs, take into account that being a strikebreaker IS a future airline job for many of us.
If you other trolley dolley's keep striking, there is an endless amount of people out there that are happy to fill your shoes for much less than what you get paid currently!
Think about this before you go bagging out us air hostess wannabes.
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trolleytart,
if you are willingly choosing to undermine the wages and conditions of another the correct term for you would be, "scab".
Or perhaps in your case, "hopeful scab."
The views you express are obviously those of a very low form of life.
One up from pond scum I would suggest.
Jettlager
if you are willingly choosing to undermine the wages and conditions of another the correct term for you would be, "scab".
Or perhaps in your case, "hopeful scab."
The views you express are obviously those of a very low form of life.
One up from pond scum I would suggest.
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Just my 2 cents worth re strike breaking and the possibility of further employment within the airline industry. As far as I can see anyone who works as a strike breaker and then in the most unlikely circumstance is offered employment would be blackbanned by the Union and all its members thereby totally negating any chance of flying any more. Believe me, Qantas would not be offering further employment. You would be a means to an end only. Sad, but true.
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Hey AnFlyGirl
Although I agree with your quote, I don't think the union actually does. Has anyone seen that letter entitled 'A Dream Shattered' on the FAAA web site? It shows a strike breaker now applying to the FAAA for help as they are now not going to be used as strike breakers. I wish your statement were true and these idiot scabs learnt their lesson (which I presume they would have anyway after three months - but now its sooner as they're really not needed).
Pathetic and hypocritical idiots.
As for you trolley tart, your attitude, lack of knowledge of life and maturity levels indicate to me why you are not a real "trolley dolley" yet, and I assure you, you never will be. I now know what kind of applicants Qantas got their strike crews off the street. Enjoy your permanent flying you wanted - as a passenger!
As far as I can see anyone who works as a strike breaker and then in the most unlikely circumstance is offered employment would be blackbanned by the Union and all its members
Pathetic and hypocritical idiots.
As for you trolley tart, your attitude, lack of knowledge of life and maturity levels indicate to me why you are not a real "trolley dolley" yet, and I assure you, you never will be. I now know what kind of applicants Qantas got their strike crews off the street. Enjoy your permanent flying you wanted - as a passenger!
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This thread has had its good posts and its bad, trolleytart, yours highlights the immature.
Possibly one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen written on PPRuNe.
Galley Power
Maybe I interpreted the article differently, but I was of the opinion that the author was seeking advice, out of desperation, from the FAAA, regarding what they experienced as dubious and underhanded tactics by Qantas.
Not once did the author request help because he/she is now not going to be employed as a strike-breaker.
(That was a decision only announced yesterday btw, whereas this letter was written a few weeks ago)
to quote a para from the article...
Your point was not lost however, and there will always be those who regard 'scabbing'/'strikebreaking' as no big deal and a means to an end, such as trolleytart
GG
I was devestated to find out that I wasn't going to be a qantas strike breaker
Galley Power
Has anyone seen that letter entitled 'A Dream Shattered' on the FAAA web site? It shows a strike breaker now applying to the FAAA for help as they are now not going to be used as strike breakers.
Not once did the author request help because he/she is now not going to be employed as a strike-breaker.
(That was a decision only announced yesterday btw, whereas this letter was written a few weeks ago)
to quote a para from the article...
I am totally and utterly disgusted in how Qantas is treating us – they don't seem to want us to become first class flight attendants – they just want us as back-up if the strike goes ahead. This is shattering news as we are after full time positions not just for a week or two and then left out in the cold with no job and no security
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QF STRIKEBREAKERS
Let me fill you in on what these horrible, awful scum of the earth strikebreaker people are........
I for example am a nurse (thats right when god forbid any of you go into hospital i'm the one looking after you and wiping your behinds). Scum???
Another person i did training with was a primary school teacher (probably teaches some of your kids) Scum??
Another or should i say quite a few ex Ansett F/A's... scum??
Another was in the Army, served in Timor for 6 months. Again are they scum too???
And the list goes on.................
My point is you guys out there don't know any of these "strikebreakers" so i really don't think its fair to pass judgement on any of them unless you have actually met them and now about their lives. I don't know about you guys but i believe in giving everyone a fair go and I ALWAYS ALWAYS can look at both sides of the story and see both points of view no matter how much I have my own opinion.
Yes i agree being a strikebreaker does undermine you conditions etc etc and i can see with you are all so upset. But speaking for alot of the trainees i know after they did their training they joined the union and were prepared to strike with the rest of you guys myself included. Alot of us didn't really realise what was going on until we got into training....naive you say well maybe but what you all have to realise and its been said before is that these people are desperate to fly and i can sympathise with them when they take a position as a strikebreaker even though it may not be the best decision in the world. And as for getting a REAL job as a flight attendant which has been stated on this thread, in the REAL world its not that easy but i'm sure if we all persist we will get there eventually.
Anyway there aren't even going to be any strikes therefore no more strikebreakers so can we all please move on.
I for example am a nurse (thats right when god forbid any of you go into hospital i'm the one looking after you and wiping your behinds). Scum???
Another person i did training with was a primary school teacher (probably teaches some of your kids) Scum??
Another or should i say quite a few ex Ansett F/A's... scum??
Another was in the Army, served in Timor for 6 months. Again are they scum too???
And the list goes on.................
My point is you guys out there don't know any of these "strikebreakers" so i really don't think its fair to pass judgement on any of them unless you have actually met them and now about their lives. I don't know about you guys but i believe in giving everyone a fair go and I ALWAYS ALWAYS can look at both sides of the story and see both points of view no matter how much I have my own opinion.
Yes i agree being a strikebreaker does undermine you conditions etc etc and i can see with you are all so upset. But speaking for alot of the trainees i know after they did their training they joined the union and were prepared to strike with the rest of you guys myself included. Alot of us didn't really realise what was going on until we got into training....naive you say well maybe but what you all have to realise and its been said before is that these people are desperate to fly and i can sympathise with them when they take a position as a strikebreaker even though it may not be the best decision in the world. And as for getting a REAL job as a flight attendant which has been stated on this thread, in the REAL world its not that easy but i'm sure if we all persist we will get there eventually.
Anyway there aren't even going to be any strikes therefore no more strikebreakers so can we all please move on.
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To GoGirl
I know the letter is soppy... But we all knew that QF were interviewing for strike breakers before they interviewed... Its just I can't believe these people didn't know (whether they knew people or not in the industry) and I don't buy their story. Sorry.
To Sunnygal
You're right. Unfortunately I do not know any strike breakers because all my friends were respectful and smart to decline the position. However, as I have posted previously somewhere, some are starting to fly soon with other companies and others will too soon, I assure you.
And I see your point as for you all not being scum. But wouldn't a taste of flying for only three months make you feel worse as opposed to not flying at all however still trying for interviews? Especially when its rushed, un professional and in a polo shirt and passengers and crew know exactly your position?!? Even if you did strike yourselves, QF would have gotten rid of you. Their excuse - you were only employed on a 3 month contract. The union wouldn't be able to do a thing. I'd rather decline and still persue flying elsewhere for a company that treated me like a .... hmmm what do you call it? Yeah, a proper employee!
I know the letter is soppy... But we all knew that QF were interviewing for strike breakers before they interviewed... Its just I can't believe these people didn't know (whether they knew people or not in the industry) and I don't buy their story. Sorry.
To Sunnygal
You're right. Unfortunately I do not know any strike breakers because all my friends were respectful and smart to decline the position. However, as I have posted previously somewhere, some are starting to fly soon with other companies and others will too soon, I assure you.
And I see your point as for you all not being scum. But wouldn't a taste of flying for only three months make you feel worse as opposed to not flying at all however still trying for interviews? Especially when its rushed, un professional and in a polo shirt and passengers and crew know exactly your position?!? Even if you did strike yourselves, QF would have gotten rid of you. Their excuse - you were only employed on a 3 month contract. The union wouldn't be able to do a thing. I'd rather decline and still persue flying elsewhere for a company that treated me like a .... hmmm what do you call it? Yeah, a proper employee!
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Galley Power
All the people I trained with had assement interviews, panel interviews & medical/security. When QF called to offer the job they said it would be to cover a spike in flying over the xmas period hence the 3 month contract.
When we got to training we realised the real deal and to be honest i wanted to walk out but i thought no i'll stay and see what happens at the end of training.
Most of the people in my class had taken annual leave from their jobs to do training and most were happy and content with their current jobs so when we had all finally worked everything out on the last day eg: uniforms etc most of us thought...ah not really for me.
I wouldn't have signed the contract at all but the union advised us too sign and strike with the rest of the FA's and i was happy to do that since i was going back to being a nurse and had nothing to lose anyway and just told myself my time will come eventually wheather it be QF, emriates, virgin blue whatever.
Oh and by the way i do consider myself respectful and very smart.
All the people I trained with had assement interviews, panel interviews & medical/security. When QF called to offer the job they said it would be to cover a spike in flying over the xmas period hence the 3 month contract.
When we got to training we realised the real deal and to be honest i wanted to walk out but i thought no i'll stay and see what happens at the end of training.
Most of the people in my class had taken annual leave from their jobs to do training and most were happy and content with their current jobs so when we had all finally worked everything out on the last day eg: uniforms etc most of us thought...ah not really for me.
I wouldn't have signed the contract at all but the union advised us too sign and strike with the rest of the FA's and i was happy to do that since i was going back to being a nurse and had nothing to lose anyway and just told myself my time will come eventually wheather it be QF, emriates, virgin blue whatever.
Oh and by the way i do consider myself respectful and very smart.
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Pardon my ignorance, but I am curious to what happens now that we strikebreakers are supposedly no longer needed....
Before anyone jumps down my throat, I am not expecting anything from Qantas... We were told all along that nothing may come from this.
Has anyone heard anything via email/telephone... any contact at all?
Before anyone jumps down my throat, I am not expecting anything from Qantas... We were told all along that nothing may come from this.
Has anyone heard anything via email/telephone... any contact at all?
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Aww now come on thats just plain rude.
Sure, some of these guys are guilty of being naive and maybe some of them were knowingly happy to work during a strike - but that's their choice, not yours to dictate whether its right or wrong.
It's a democratic society - its our choice to strike and others choice to work during the strike. Crappy deal, but there ya go.
It's all over now (providing the EBA gets up) so why don't we all play nice in kinder now.
Sure, some of these guys are guilty of being naive and maybe some of them were knowingly happy to work during a strike - but that's their choice, not yours to dictate whether its right or wrong.
It's a democratic society - its our choice to strike and others choice to work during the strike. Crappy deal, but there ya go.
It's all over now (providing the EBA gets up) so why don't we all play nice in kinder now.
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so maybe we will fly
Just been on the FAAA site and it says that there still has to be a vote before it is decided whether the LH crew will strike or not. So maybe all us 'fixed-termers' will get to fly. Either way, it looks like we will get jobs within the Qantas group. SOOOOOO EXCITED! Better go practice my safety demonstrations!