NETJETS Europe hiring again
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From: Europe
Applications from experienced guys
EatMyShorts & Happyjack, you make valid points. But they are not valid in all cases, as personal reasons are important.
My background: 46 years, been flying full time for 25 years, more hours than I can count, left seat and current on B777 in flag carrier airline, technical pilot, instructor, examiner, no ****-ups of any kind. I was rejected after the online interview despite really wanting the NJ job.
I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
My background: 46 years, been flying full time for 25 years, more hours than I can count, left seat and current on B777 in flag carrier airline, technical pilot, instructor, examiner, no ****-ups of any kind. I was rejected after the online interview despite really wanting the NJ job.
I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
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From: Athens-Greece
EatMyShorts & Happyjack, you make valid points. But they are not valid in all cases, as personal reasons are important.
My background: 46 years, been flying full time for 25 years, more hours than I can count, left seat and current on B777 in flag carrier airline, technical pilot, instructor, examiner, no ****-ups of any kind. I was rejected after the online interview despite really wanting the NJ job.
I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
My background: 46 years, been flying full time for 25 years, more hours than I can count, left seat and current on B777 in flag carrier airline, technical pilot, instructor, examiner, no ****-ups of any kind. I was rejected after the online interview despite really wanting the NJ job.
I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
Soft skills are also important and they are not teachable or transferable in contrast with the technical knowledge or stick and rudder skills...
If you really want the job apply again when the industry recovers fully...
Last edited by OSTRIA; 4th December 2021 at 13:15.
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I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
I only object to the response "we cannot (won't) provide feedback because of the high number of applicants" That's bs, we have all of us put not a small amount of time into the interview process and each person deserves at least a very brief explanation as to why they're not a good fit. That's not really NetJets though, that's Kura and they're not an amazing business in terms of taking care of people
.In any case, you're going to see a significant lack of experienced crew out there before long, you'll get to pick your job, at least I hope so
. I just want to find a place that is fun to work with nice people, reasonable management good safety and an acceptable (not high) salary. That's not NetJets for me, good luck to those who do well with them.
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I feel for those who missed out for whatever reason. NetJets isn't the only player in town. If you're really interested in the biz jet world, you could try Flexjet, Vistajet, Air Hamburg or Luxaviation. Just to name a couple.
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Ostria, I did not complain, it’s no problem for me to stay in my current position or to find another job. I just really wanted to work for Netjets because I know people are generally happy there. I would have been prepared to bring all my experience, and would have been happy in the right seat. The reason I’d be happy in the right seat is exactly because I do have the necessary soft skills, and I because I do understand CRM. After thousands of hours in the left seat of a wide body, I don’t need to prove anything to anyone, including myself.
Thank you for guiding me about the finer points of attitude, soft skills, and stick-and-rudder. I never came across these concepts in 25 years of flying and 15 years of training, but now, thanks to your insights, I finally understand. Thank you also for calling me a school boy. I wish you all the best for your future career, may you enlighten many others.
Boabity - re the “we cannot provide feedback” - I fully agree. Especially where applicants have reached a late stage of the process and an (apparently) considered decision is made, it wouldn’t be too much to ask on what basis, regardless of whether it came from the agency or NJ itself - professional courtesy. Constructive feedback is crucial when someone has failed an assessment, then again, perhaps they just don't have the resources.
Thank you for guiding me about the finer points of attitude, soft skills, and stick-and-rudder. I never came across these concepts in 25 years of flying and 15 years of training, but now, thanks to your insights, I finally understand. Thank you also for calling me a school boy. I wish you all the best for your future career, may you enlighten many others.
Boabity - re the “we cannot provide feedback” - I fully agree. Especially where applicants have reached a late stage of the process and an (apparently) considered decision is made, it wouldn’t be too much to ask on what basis, regardless of whether it came from the agency or NJ itself - professional courtesy. Constructive feedback is crucial when someone has failed an assessment, then again, perhaps they just don't have the resources.
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I would also like to say that the NJE pilot corps always consisted of a mix of former military, airline, and GA/BizAv pilots. This mix always has worked very well with no major CRM issues between pilots because of their flying backgrounds.
So while I can understand your frustration (have been disappointed often enough myself), you are making some unfounded assumptions.
Cheers
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EatMyShorts & Happyjack, you make valid points. But they are not valid in all cases, as personal reasons are important.
My background: 46 years, been flying full time for 25 years, more hours than I can count, left seat and current on B777 in flag carrier airline, technical pilot, instructor, examiner, no ****-ups of any kind. I was rejected after the online interview despite really wanting the NJ job.
I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
My background: 46 years, been flying full time for 25 years, more hours than I can count, left seat and current on B777 in flag carrier airline, technical pilot, instructor, examiner, no ****-ups of any kind. I was rejected after the online interview despite really wanting the NJ job.
I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
This is the problem in our industry. We have allowed all kind of parasites ( HR, bean counters, recruitment agencies, etc.. ) taking the crucial decision on our professional lives. Now we are paying the price !
Last edited by kimono1950; 6th December 2021 at 10:26.
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Ostria, I did not complain, it’s no problem for me to stay in my current position or to find another job. I just really wanted to work for Netjets because I know people are generally happy there. I would have been prepared to bring all my experience, and would have been happy in the right seat. The reason I’d be happy in the right seat is exactly because I do have the necessary soft skills, and I because I do understand CRM. After thousands of hours in the left seat of a wide body, I don’t need to prove anything to anyone, including myself.
Thank you for guiding me about the finer points of attitude, soft skills, and stick-and-rudder. I never came across these concepts in 25 years of flying and 15 years of training, but now, thanks to your insights, I finally understand. Thank you also for calling me a school boy. I wish you all the best for your future career, may you enlighten many others.
Boabity - re the “we cannot provide feedback” - I fully agree. Especially where applicants have reached a late stage of the process and an (apparently) considered decision is made, it wouldn’t be too much to ask on what basis, regardless of whether it came from the agency or NJ itself - professional courtesy. Constructive feedback is crucial when someone has failed an assessment, then again, perhaps they just don't have the resources.
Thank you for guiding me about the finer points of attitude, soft skills, and stick-and-rudder. I never came across these concepts in 25 years of flying and 15 years of training, but now, thanks to your insights, I finally understand. Thank you also for calling me a school boy. I wish you all the best for your future career, may you enlighten many others.
Boabity - re the “we cannot provide feedback” - I fully agree. Especially where applicants have reached a late stage of the process and an (apparently) considered decision is made, it wouldn’t be too much to ask on what basis, regardless of whether it came from the agency or NJ itself - professional courtesy. Constructive feedback is crucial when someone has failed an assessment, then again, perhaps they just don't have the resources.
Let it go chaps. I passed the assessment and I have 10 years airline background and 4 in the left seat. I wasn't the only one. If you didn't get through the first stages it's probably because the algorithm is ridiculous. It happens.
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Still waiting for anything after the: "we've had a lot of people apply and we'll come back to you later" email. Anyone here that recently got an invitation for a further stage or are they first going to the end with everyone they initially invited to a further stage before starting a new batch?
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Still waiting for anything after the: "we've had a lot of people apply and we'll come back to you later" email. Anyone here that recently got an invitation for a further stage or are they first going to the end with everyone they initially invited to a further stage before starting a new batch?
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From: schermoney and left front seat
This is the problem in our industry. We have allowed all kind of parasites ( HR, bean counters, recruitment agencies, etc.. ) taking the crucial decision on our professional lives. Now we are paying the price !
show your commitment!
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Come on, I simply tried to uplift those who were unsuccessful this time, please stop taking it out of context.
Either someone really wants to join the Netjets-family, or not. We are happy campers, mostly - and money is not everything in life - when you have enough time to actually live a life without being on call 24/7. And money: money is not bad, or do you think a Phenom captain is underpaid when he makes something like 150,000 to 180,000 EUR for working 200 days net a year?
Either someone really wants to join the Netjets-family, or not. We are happy campers, mostly - and money is not everything in life - when you have enough time to actually live a life without being on call 24/7. And money: money is not bad, or do you think a Phenom captain is underpaid when he makes something like 150,000 to 180,000 EUR for working 200 days net a year?