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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 23:43
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Hi Moonwalker,

no, I do not take it personal, why should I? Actually, the less qualified pilots Netjets is able to find, the better for us here, because the company will have to increase our salaries and conditions.

Have you read the posts of the last few days? Yes, your starting salary will be 58k. But you will probably make another 15k to 30k extra from block hours, that's something that you need to factor into the equation. And as you won't pay any local tax in quite a few countries, comparing net salaries is also okay. Example: when you start with Air Hamburg on a large cabin aircraft, living in Germany, you'll make a net salary of about 27k EUR per year. With NJE you will end up with at least 31k EUR. That's 4.000 EUR more while possibly having a better life-style. And now add a yearly block hour bonus of 15k EUR, you will take a good chunk of that home, too.

By all means, if you don't like the salary and if it is of utmost importance, then NJE won't be for you. I do agree with that! But I do not think that we are grossly underpaid. Or have you seen captains on Phenom 300s who make in excess of 140k per year, gross?
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Old 25th Nov 2021, 18:32
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PFO for me, guess they don’t want experienced medium Jet Captains in the right seat of a bizjet or maybe they just don’t like the sound of me!

Best of luck to the rest of you.
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Old 27th Nov 2021, 08:51
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Also what I’d like to add regarding the whole “are they good T&Cs vs they are not” discussion.
For those of you who think they aren’t please keep in mind everybody’s experience is subjective because of past and current experiences.
I’ve worked for roughly 10 years in aviation and never had T&Cs like this.
On top of that, because of the pandemic many are either still working but not flying, flying but not happy where they are or how things are going, or even worse just unemployed. And I know plenty of people in all three of those categories.
So if you have better working conditions where you are at that different, better, anonymous company or if you had those in the past and feel this is beneath you, don’t slag other people off over it.
Or share those triple A companies with us and then the discussion might get interesting.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 15:03
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Good evening all,

Anyone out here working for NJE and based in GVA ? (or ZRH...)
I would have a question about residency... Please PM !

Thanks a lot
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 13:32
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"So if you have better working conditions where you are at that different, better, anonymous company or if you had those in the past and feel this is beneath you, don’t slag other people off over it."

If you accept anything, you´ll get nothing.

And just for the record: I think working for NJE isn´t the worst gig by any stretch of the imagination. I was very impressed with them in 2009 etcetc. There are many other operators out there who are way worse.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 20:28
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Hi all,
Question for who already attended the interview in Farnborough.

At the documents check, do they ask for the full logbook or just the last pages??
I have an electronic logbook and I'm wondering if they want me to print everything or they have enough of the last 3/5.

Thanks for the help ☺️
Good luck to all!!
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 09:10
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Originally Posted by Thioda View Post
Or share those triple A companies with us and then the discussion might get interesting.
I also am intrigued to hear about all these operators that pay significantly more as I've been working in aviation for a good few years and the NJE pay looks at least equivalent if not better to what I've seen previously. Maybe I've been ripped off all this time. We get paid well for this job, guys.

However, I'd far rather we moved the discussion to the assessment process and the job itself.
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 10:38
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Hey folks, I have been lucky enough to continue on to the final stages of the assessment. I was wondering if anyone is eager to share their experiences of the final stages?

all the best,

M.A.
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 11:15
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Originally Posted by lollo883 View Post
Hi all,
Question for who already attended the interview in Farnborough.

At the documents check, do they ask for the full logbook or just the last pages??
I have an electronic logbook and I'm wondering if they want me to print everything or they have enough of the last 3/5.

Thanks for the help ☺️
Good luck to all!!
Just the last pages. Electronic logbook works fine.
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 16:16
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Originally Posted by Phalare View Post
Good evening all,

Anyone out here working for NJE and based in GVA ? (or ZRH...)
I would have a question about residency... Please PM !

Thanks a lot
You got a pm
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 09:49
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Originally Posted by mtowswede View Post
Just the last pages. Electronic logbook works fine.
Thanks a lot! Appreciated
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 10:31
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Applications from experienced guys

EatMyShorts & Happyjack, you make valid points. But they are not valid in all cases, as personal reasons are important.

My background: 46 years, been flying full time for 25 years, more hours than I can count, left seat and current on B777 in flag carrier airline, technical pilot, instructor, examiner, no ****-ups of any kind. I was rejected after the online interview despite really wanting the NJ job.

I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 13:01
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Originally Posted by richmixture View Post
EatMyShorts & Happyjack, you make valid points. But they are not valid in all cases, as personal reasons are important.

My background: 46 years, been flying full time for 25 years, more hours than I can count, left seat and current on B777 in flag carrier airline, technical pilot, instructor, examiner, no ****-ups of any kind. I was rejected after the online interview despite really wanting the NJ job.

I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
The fact that with such an experience you ''complain'' like a '''school boy''' shows that you are not a good fit ....Maybe its an attitude issue not technical nor skills ....

Soft skills are also important and they are not teachable or transferable in contrast with the technical knowledge or stick and rudder skills...

If you really want the job apply again when the industry recovers fully...

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Old 4th Dec 2021, 14:38
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Originally Posted by richmixture View Post
I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
You're reading to much into it, I did great at the online interview section and fell at the aptitude tests. My experience is more relevant than yours but that's not the bit they want either, we are similarly aged though so that might have come into play. Whatever it is it's out of your control so it's best to try to move on without being bitter about it.
I only object to the response "we cannot (won't) provide feedback because of the high number of applicants" That's bs, we have all of us put not a small amount of time into the interview process and each person deserves at least a very brief explanation as to why they're not a good fit. That's not really NetJets though, that's Kura and they're not an amazing business in terms of taking care of people .

In any case, you're going to see a significant lack of experienced crew out there before long, you'll get to pick your job, at least I hope so . I just want to find a place that is fun to work with nice people, reasonable management good safety and an acceptable (not high) salary. That's not NetJets for me, good luck to those who do well with them.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 15:49
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I feel for those who missed out for whatever reason. NetJets isn't the only player in town. If you're really interested in the biz jet world, you could try Flexjet, Vistajet, Air Hamburg or Luxaviation. Just to name a couple.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 18:13
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The fact that with such an experience you ''complain'' like a '''school boy'''
He does ? Thats not how I read it, but...
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 20:19
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Ostria, I did not complain, it’s no problem for me to stay in my current position or to find another job. I just really wanted to work for Netjets because I know people are generally happy there. I would have been prepared to bring all my experience, and would have been happy in the right seat. The reason I’d be happy in the right seat is exactly because I do have the necessary soft skills, and I because I do understand CRM. After thousands of hours in the left seat of a wide body, I don’t need to prove anything to anyone, including myself.

Thank you for guiding me about the finer points of attitude, soft skills, and stick-and-rudder. I never came across these concepts in 25 years of flying and 15 years of training, but now, thanks to your insights, I finally understand. Thank you also for calling me a school boy. I wish you all the best for your future career, may you enlighten many others.

Boabity - re the “we cannot provide feedback” - I fully agree. Especially where applicants have reached a late stage of the process and an (apparently) considered decision is made, it wouldn’t be too much to ask on what basis, regardless of whether it came from the agency or NJ itself - professional courtesy. Constructive feedback is crucial when someone has failed an assessment, then again, perhaps they just don't have the resources.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 22:27
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Originally Posted by richmixture View Post
. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.
If I may chime in real quick, because it now has come up a couple of times in this tread and needs to be addressed: There seems to be the mis-perception that NJE doesn't wish to hire experienced airline pilots. Maybe that mis-perception was fed by JoeLeTaxi (I am not sure if he actually is a NJE pilot, btw.). Anyway, that perception is certainly wrong, or else it woudn't say so in the job ad. Also, the group starting with NJE within the next days certainly is a mix of all three (mainly airline and GA, but also some military pilots).
I would also like to say that the NJE pilot corps always consisted of a mix of former military, airline, and GA/BizAv pilots. This mix always has worked very well with no major CRM issues between pilots because of their flying backgrounds.
So while I can understand your frustration (have been disappointed often enough myself), you are making some unfounded assumptions.

Cheers
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 23:44
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@ OSTRIA

I think I recognise you, weren't you a case study on my last CRM recurrent?
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Old 5th Dec 2021, 10:31
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BTW - it is not called "soft skills" any more. Non-technicals or NOTECHs is the preferred name.
Looks like I'll be seeing some of you in a week's time.
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