NETJETS Europe hiring again
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Hi pilotarosa , I read earlier in this thread you live in Italy? I didn't see any Italian gateways published for Netjets. I'm still in the selection process and if I would be so lucky to make it into the company I would be interested to have Rome as my gateway. Could you tell me how you got this?
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Hi pilotarosa , I read earlier in this thread you live in Italy? I didn't see any Italian gateways published for Netjets. I'm still in the selection process and if I would be so lucky to make it into the company I would be interested to have Rome as my gateway. Could you tell me how you got this?
"I know current NetJets pilots with other gateways. Can I apply for one of those?
Some current pilots have grandfather rights to other gateways which are no longer on the approved list."
To be honest I would really appreciate if the thread was more about the assesment process interviews, sim, personal feedback, instead of contract,taxation and payslip...
I'm sure that if you really want to join NJE for the values of the company you wouldn't bother too much about the compensation which is more than good in my opinion at the end of the month (I know is important yes, especially in this moment, but some of you looks so picky!! it looks like you have already better job other than NJE and why not stay there then?)
That's only my personal opinion I didn't want to offend anyone with this post.
Good luck to all! 😊😊😊
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I'm sorry, but, if you really want to get in the company maybe is better to start to read the information tha NJE provide you in the FAQ when you applied, or at least scroll down a little bit on the forum. Anyway I'm going to copy/paste exactly what's written by KURA.
"I know current NetJets pilots with other gateways. Can I apply for one of those?
Some current pilots have grandfather rights to other gateways which are no longer on the approved list."
To be honest I would really appreciate if the thread was more about the assesment process interviews, sim, personal feedback, instead of contract,taxation and payslip...
I'm sure that if you really want to join NJE for the values of the company you wouldn't bother too much about the compensation which is more than good in my opinion at the end of the month (I know is important yes, especially in this moment, but some of you looks so picky!! it looks like you have already better job other than NJE and why not stay there then?)
That's only my personal opinion I didn't want to offend anyone with this post.
Good luck to all! 😊😊😊
"I know current NetJets pilots with other gateways. Can I apply for one of those?
Some current pilots have grandfather rights to other gateways which are no longer on the approved list."
To be honest I would really appreciate if the thread was more about the assesment process interviews, sim, personal feedback, instead of contract,taxation and payslip...
I'm sure that if you really want to join NJE for the values of the company you wouldn't bother too much about the compensation which is more than good in my opinion at the end of the month (I know is important yes, especially in this moment, but some of you looks so picky!! it looks like you have already better job other than NJE and why not stay there then?)
That's only my personal opinion I didn't want to offend anyone with this post.
Good luck to all! 😊😊😊
Well, youīre of course entitled to your personal preferences and what you want this thread to be about. Perhaps you would do yourself a favor by accepting that others have concerns that are different from yours. Youīre looking to join a multi cultural company and candidates have different objectives. Donīt ask from others what youīre delivering yourself. Good luck.
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Some realism here guys... Wake up...
I worked for NJE 23 years ago. The deal has not changed since then. That is what I was earning 23 years ago!!! Mid 50's euros plus the 70 euro per diem daily.
In those days NJE sold the crap deal on "you don't pay tax" so it's OK. But now there is no escape.
It is the worst deal in corperate aviation by a country mile. Why are you all chasing it?
I worked for NJE 23 years ago. The deal has not changed since then. That is what I was earning 23 years ago!!! Mid 50's euros plus the 70 euro per diem daily.
In those days NJE sold the crap deal on "you don't pay tax" so it's OK. But now there is no escape.
It is the worst deal in corperate aviation by a country mile. Why are you all chasing it?
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From: Germany
So doing the math for a german base:
4875 / month gross
- 1218 PT flat tax at 25%
- 1100 Social Security germany
= 2557 basic net
Does this sound right? Anything else that comes on top on a monthly basis except per diems (not counting those) ?
4875 / month gross
- 1218 PT flat tax at 25%
- 1100 Social Security germany
= 2557 basic net
Does this sound right? Anything else that comes on top on a monthly basis except per diems (not counting those) ?
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Phhhhhhheeewwww.. Donīt spoil the illusion. The same bunch that "only" wants to focus on getting onto the wagon, and despair others from looking at the financials, are the same clowns that will be back here in 5 years from now complaining. Itīs common knowledge that pilots are not the smartest bunch around when it comes to investments, but to actually be told to go somewhere else when youīre critically challenging (or enquiring) about the deal is just being blind folded and ignorant about the greater overall picture. Nothing wrong with dreaming and wanting to join NJE, but itīs certainly not like itīs a golden ticket, if you critically look at the "deal" as a career. Itīs not the worst either!
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Can we please stay on topic?
For the first 2 years your salary will be like this. In Germany, social security will be slightly lower at this level of income, one if the online tools produced 982 EUR per month.
Don't forget about the jump in salary after the second year AND that you will get a performance bonus for your block hours flown, plus potential extras for busy tours in summer! You can probably add 15k to 30k per year on that, depending on your fleet.
For the first 2 years your salary will be like this. In Germany, social security will be slightly lower at this level of income, one if the online tools produced 982 EUR per month.
Don't forget about the jump in salary after the second year AND that you will get a performance bonus for your block hours flown, plus potential extras for busy tours in summer! You can probably add 15k to 30k per year on that, depending on your fleet.
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Can we please stay on topic?
For the first 2 years your salary will be like this. In Germany, social security will be slightly lower at this level of income, one if the online tools produced 982 EUR per month.
Don't forget about the jump in salary after the second year AND that you will get a performance bonus for your block hours flown, plus potential extras for busy tours in summer! You can probably add 15k to 30k per year on that, depending on your fleet.
For the first 2 years your salary will be like this. In Germany, social security will be slightly lower at this level of income, one if the online tools produced 982 EUR per month.
Don't forget about the jump in salary after the second year AND that you will get a performance bonus for your block hours flown, plus potential extras for busy tours in summer! You can probably add 15k to 30k per year on that, depending on your fleet.
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Funny that you say it's the exact same amount as 23 years ago while then the euro wasn't here yet. If you did a conversion maybe add that to your comment to make it make sense? Also if you have a job opening somewhere with better conditions overall (as a few said here before, it's not only about pay) maybe tell us/open a thread about it so everyone can chase that better deal?
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From: Germany
And what has happened to GA? In Netjets you will NEVER pay for a type rating. Elsewhere you will. Therefore you can see the "low" starting salary as a way to pay off the training cost.
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As was posted a bit earlier - one does not come to NetJets for the money, but the renumeration has improved a lot over the last few years. New joiners have a pay increase after 2 years as stated above, there is an SFO pay scale (not sure when that kicks in) and we now receive a performance bonus based on block hours over the year; something that was not paid 3 years ago (so now being paid for doing something that wasn't previously). The amount is staggered depending on the number of hours flown per year but I will not post the figures here as this is a public forum.
Other improvements :
Annual leave: when I joined I received 14 days holiday for the first 2 years, increasing to 21 in year 3 and finally 28 in year 5. New joiners now receive 22 days immediately and that increases by one or two days per year based on time in (can't remember the exact time required but it is at least a few years in) to a maximum of 28 days.
Roster stability: usually a 6 on 5 off roster for short haul and 7 on 6 off for long haul. There will be those who post here they never have that, but in my experience the roster is pretty stable (can be disrupted during the summer peak period) and once the roster is published (6 weeks in advance - e.g. 15 Jan for March's roster; this can be reduced if business needs demand but is the exception rather than the rule) the company will ask you, I say again ASK you if you are prepared to change it (and you will probably be paid extra to do so).
Medical paid for but it has to be done in your off time.
Training is rostered as duty days, not done in your free time (although there are quite a few online courses to be completed for annual ground recurrent and this is not rostered at the moment).
i have done 3 type ratings so far and not had to pay for any, although there has been a bond posted.
My salary and per diem payments have always arrived on time in my bank account (apparently not the case is some other GA companies I have heard).
All in all I find it a very good package, but I am at higher end of the seniority list.
Other improvements :
Annual leave: when I joined I received 14 days holiday for the first 2 years, increasing to 21 in year 3 and finally 28 in year 5. New joiners now receive 22 days immediately and that increases by one or two days per year based on time in (can't remember the exact time required but it is at least a few years in) to a maximum of 28 days.
Roster stability: usually a 6 on 5 off roster for short haul and 7 on 6 off for long haul. There will be those who post here they never have that, but in my experience the roster is pretty stable (can be disrupted during the summer peak period) and once the roster is published (6 weeks in advance - e.g. 15 Jan for March's roster; this can be reduced if business needs demand but is the exception rather than the rule) the company will ask you, I say again ASK you if you are prepared to change it (and you will probably be paid extra to do so).
Medical paid for but it has to be done in your off time.
Training is rostered as duty days, not done in your free time (although there are quite a few online courses to be completed for annual ground recurrent and this is not rostered at the moment).
i have done 3 type ratings so far and not had to pay for any, although there has been a bond posted.
My salary and per diem payments have always arrived on time in my bank account (apparently not the case is some other GA companies I have heard).
All in all I find it a very good package, but I am at higher end of the seniority list.
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From: Germany
The gross salary is what it is and there are certainly (and for sure will be in the near future) opportunities that will pay more if thats what people are looking for. For me personally the package is fine and the job really something I want so I hope it'll all go well at stage 3.
Still what I find weird and unnecessary is the strange tax deal which is really unfavorable for the FO salary levels. Fully taxing and paying social security in germany would be around 300-700 net more per months depending on marital status which is a significant sum of money over the year. I suspect things to be similar in other countries with high social security payments so I a little at loss what the purpose of this complicated setup is. It certainly would be easier to take the UK contract and tax it under the bilateral DTA. Ah well... also a thing one just has to make peace with apparently
Still what I find weird and unnecessary is the strange tax deal which is really unfavorable for the FO salary levels. Fully taxing and paying social security in germany would be around 300-700 net more per months depending on marital status which is a significant sum of money over the year. I suspect things to be similar in other countries with high social security payments so I a little at loss what the purpose of this complicated setup is. It certainly would be easier to take the UK contract and tax it under the bilateral DTA. Ah well... also a thing one just has to make peace with apparently
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When I joined before 2006, the starting salary depended on the fleet and could be as low as 42 000 EUR (approx). And even with the higher and unified starting salaries after 2007, there was no automatic jump after 2 years. We have that now, one will get a significantly higher wage in year 3: 66 300 EUR. Including the average block hour bonus and maybe a few extra days you can easily make 80k gross. Without per diems.
And what has happened to GA? In Netjets you will NEVER pay for a type rating. Elsewhere you will. Therefore you can see the "low" starting salary as a way to pay off the training cost.
And what has happened to GA? In Netjets you will NEVER pay for a type rating. Elsewhere you will. Therefore you can see the "low" starting salary as a way to pay off the training cost.
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Second email asking for anyone who wants to change their dates... so seems people are canceling their stage 3 assessments? Just out of curiosity if anyone is here that did cancel, what were your thoughts that led you to pull out?
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When I joined before 2006, the starting salary depended on the fleet and could be as low as 42 000 EUR (approx). And even with the higher and unified starting salaries after 2007, there was no automatic jump after 2 years. We have that now, one will get a significantly higher wage in year 3: 66 300 EUR. Including the average block hour bonus and maybe a few extra days you can easily make 80k gross. Without per diems.
And what has happened to GA? In Netjets you will NEVER pay for a type rating. Elsewhere you will. Therefore you can see the "low" starting salary as a way to pay off the training cost.
And what has happened to GA? In Netjets you will NEVER pay for a type rating. Elsewhere you will. Therefore you can see the "low" starting salary as a way to pay off the training cost.
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Reading back through the thread, can someone please explain what "Tour based pay" is? Is that something you get as new joiner or is that only applicable with some seniority?
Also regarding the vacation days, do you take 6 days and get the preceding and following 5 days OFF too or will the pattern change that you start a new tour immediately after a vacation?
Thanks guys for answering all the questions on the thread, it's really helpful.
Also regarding the vacation days, do you take 6 days and get the preceding and following 5 days OFF too or will the pattern change that you start a new tour immediately after a vacation?
Thanks guys for answering all the questions on the thread, it's really helpful.
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From: Europe
When I joined before 2006, the starting salary depended on the fleet and could be as low as 42 000 EUR (approx). And even with the higher and unified starting salaries after 2007, there was no automatic jump after 2 years. We have that now, one will get a significantly higher wage in year 3: 66 300 EUR. Including the average block hour bonus and maybe a few extra days you can easily make 80k gross. Without per diems.
And what has happened to GA? In Netjets you will NEVER pay for a type rating. Elsewhere you will. Therefore you can see the "low" starting salary as a way to pay off the training cost.
And what has happened to GA? In Netjets you will NEVER pay for a type rating. Elsewhere you will. Therefore you can see the "low" starting salary as a way to pay off the training cost.
There's a general feeling among NJE pilots that outside NJE conditions are not good, roster being the first argument, but in fact not really, you find better packages, in terms of salary, vacation, pension plans, and even roster.
Exemption of course, if you want to live in Aberdeen or Malaga, chances are that your best option is NJE, but in the major European cities you can find better gigs. And yes, I am an ex NJE and loved it for the most part, colleagues is real asset, there's a great atmosphere among crews.
Roster is stable, but the trade-off is salary below average standard and no decent pension plan still...you can't have it all! Job security? Well in our industry forget about job security and not better at NJE, look at what happened a few months ago...
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What makes you say that in Business Aviation you pay for your own type rating? Most serious, and thereīs more than NJE that fits that description, donīt make you pay for your type rating - the company will likely make you sign a training bond, but thatīs it. Even VistaJet doesnīt make you pay for your type rating. Of course there are the bottom feeder companies that everybody will escape at first opportunity. The starting salary in NJE is low, the 2nd year jump to higher salary is still not impressive, and thatīs just the way it is. But, as itīs been said, there plenty of other good reasons to go for NJE as an employer, salary is not one of them.
I don't think that 70 to 80k is a "low" wage for the first 2 years. Don't forget that in quite a few countries you won't pay any additional tax on top of the tax at source in Portugal. You really need to compare net salaries in this case, not solely the gross pay. And you also need to have a look where you can find jobs, realistically. BA? Forget it. I just had a look at Condor at PPJN: 66.4k starting salary and a bit of overtime pay. That's less than Netjets, after tax. Or ASL Airlines Belgium: 43.8k in the first year, then 59.8k in the second year. As well much less than NJE. Air Hamburg: 36k to 42k starting salary, depending on fleet. THAT is low. The list goes on.
No, at Netjets you won't be bathing in money. Your motivation should be to come here for the lifestyle and on top of it the money is quite okay. The variable income can be up to 30k or 40k extra per year, don't forget this! Extra work required, though. As a captain it is easy to make 150k to 200k a year, with all the bonuses and a bit of extra work.