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Old 10th Jan 2022, 12:13
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During COVID-times I always travel in uniform to make the process easier. Off COVID I do it as well, mostly, for the same reason. Less hassle. Except for UK airports, where crew travelling in uniform seem to be put under special scrutiny at security check points. In other countries it is the opposite.

EDIT: ah, too slow, GC already answered it accordingly!
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Old 12th Jan 2022, 10:03
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Understood it makes sense in that case. Thank you both.
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Old 23rd Jan 2022, 13:48
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Hey guys,

Great thread! Really nice to see some comments from actual NJE pilots around how "real life" work scenarios would look like.

Anybody up for Stage 3 end of January/Beginning of Feb? Would be nice to get in touch!
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Old 23rd Jan 2022, 21:44
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Does anyone know when, if not already, they will restart the hiring process? (Refering to the email about them pausing recruitment due to the covid restrictions)
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 10:05
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Good afternoon from Alps. I have seen so many discussion about the contract and how's life inside of NJ. Does anyone finally passed the Stage 3 or Simulator Screening and willing to share some details? Would be great!! All the rest comes later :-)
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Old 29th Jan 2022, 20:50
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Good evening to all group members. Does anybody got an invitation for stage 3 end of january/beginning of february? Get in touch!
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Old 4th May 2022, 12:26
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Hello Everyone,

I have seen that EJM Europe is hiring for second in command, is all these nice netjet pilot experiences apply to EJM too, or is this a different outfit?

thank you
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Old 4th May 2022, 13:02
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Originally Posted by gene88 View Post
Hello Everyone,

I have seen that EJM Europe is hiring for second in command, is all these nice netjet pilot experiences apply to EJM too, or is this a different outfit?

thank you
did they open up the process again?
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Old 4th May 2022, 15:34
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Originally Posted by gene88 View Post
I have seen that EJM Europe is hiring for second in command, is all these nice netjet pilot experiences apply to EJM too, or is this a different outfit?
No, it's different. Very different roster, possibly less money (depending on the contract/aircraft), not the same bonus etc..
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Old 5th May 2022, 08:12
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! View Post
No, it's different. Very different roster, possibly less money (depending on the contract/aircraft), not the same bonus etc..
VERY different terms. Just ask the EJM PIC's that were all let go last year
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Old 5th May 2022, 09:15
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VERY different terms. Just ask the EJM PIC's that were all let go last year
Well, I thought they were offered to start on the NJE-contract as F/Os in line with seniority? I know, it wasn't a nice move, but I am not sure if anyone was really made redundant. I am sorry for what has happened to these colleagues.
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Old 6th Jun 2022, 21:02
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www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Netjets_Europe

UPDATED 21/Aug/21??

Why am I not impressed.. Is this really all you get as a Captain with NJE or it it not really up-to-day (I hope not!)?
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 08:16
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Originally Posted by Klimax View Post
www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Netjets_Europe

UPDATED 21/Aug/21??

Why am I not impressed.. Is this really all you get as a Captain with NJE or it it not really up-to-day (I hope not!)?
No, itís not, they get more. But how much should a European captain be paid? We donít get paid enough, thatís for sure. But unfortunately thereís an abundance of pilots and none of the companies need to pay top dollar to fill seats, especially when they donít really care about quality. Itís not helped when these seats can be filled by eastern European pilots for whom these salaries (in their homeland) are enormous. But then cheap Eastern European labor has always suppressed wages in the more affluent EU countries (see UK and Brexit for details - haulage, construction etcÖ) so this is nothing new.

Dodgy tax agreements where a pilot being based in certain countries can pay minimal tax doesnít help matters either. It means a Ä100,000 salary is really like earning Ä140,000 in a country where the tax system operates normally. So again, they can fill seats.

The US doesnít have a cheap source of labor so wages are now high.

Itís just a sh***y industry, really.
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 09:14
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Originally Posted by zuluzuluzulu View Post
No, it’s not, they get more. But how much should a European captain be paid? We don’t get paid enough, that’s for sure. But unfortunately there’s an abundance of pilots and none of the companies need to pay top dollar to fill seats, especially when they don’t really care about quality. It’s not helped when these seats can be filled by eastern European pilots for whom these salaries (in their homeland) are enormous. But then cheap Eastern European labor has always suppressed wages in the more affluent EU countries (see UK and Brexit for details - haulage, construction etc…) so this is nothing new.

It’s just a sh***y industry, really.
NJE does not employ "cheap pilots" from "Eastern Europe". But I do agree that aviation has become a shi*tty industry, luckily we still have some nice conditions at NJE. Money is not everything in life. You also need time off work to spend your money and to see your families and friends.

Klimax if you scroll up, look for another post of mine, I had explained the salary system in more detail. The salaries that are listed at PPJN (great that they are back!) are only starting salaries that will be corrected for inflation every single year, plus a significant performance bonus payment on top. We have Phenom captains exceeding 230,000 EUR a year.
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 16:00
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! View Post
NJE does not employ "cheap pilots" from "Eastern Europe". But I do agree that aviation has become a shi*tty industry, luckily we still have some nice conditions at NJE. Money is not everything in life. You also need time off work to spend your money and to see your families and friends.

Klimax if you scroll up, look for another post of mine, I had explained the salary system in more detail. The salaries that are listed at PPJN (great that they are back!) are only starting salaries that will be corrected for inflation every single year, plus a significant performance bonus payment on top. We have Phenom captains exceeding 230,000 EUR a year.
To be fair, who cares about Captain salaries in NJ apart from the ones that are Captains in NJ or just some years away from the seat. For all others joining now it's 10-15 years away and who knows how this industry looks like in 15 years time. Just look how much have changed during the last 15 years.
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 17:30
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! View Post
NJE does not employ "cheap pilots" from "Eastern Europe". But I do agree that aviation has become a shi*tty industry, luckily we still have some nice conditions at NJE. Money is not everything in life. You also need time off work to spend your money and to see your families and friends.

Klimax if you scroll up, look for another post of mine, I had explained the salary system in more detail. The salaries that are listed at PPJN (great that they are back!) are only starting salaries that will be corrected for inflation every single year, plus a significant performance bonus payment on top. We have Phenom captains exceeding 230,000 EUR a year.
No I wasnít saying NetJets did, they seem to be the last of the decent employers for both salary and conditions. But others do. And then you have the likes of Vistajet dragging salaries down, itís quite amazing how their basic salary structure hasnít changed since ever. How desperate do you have to be to accept an FO salary there, itís insulting!
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 19:00
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Well, it may not be 10 to 15 years for our new hires to become captains. The last 12 years have been largely a stagnating time, but we are now providing all of our senior F/Os a chance to have a go for their upgrade examinations. Also, the F/O salary of 58,500 EUR pa is just a base salary. You can easily add 15,000 to 40,000 EUR as bonus, if we continue to be busy as we are now.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 11:46
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Hello! Does anyone know whether the recruitment process will be open again anytime soon?
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 14:05
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! View Post
Well, it may not be 10 to 15 years for our new hires to become captains. The last 12 years have been largely a stagnating time, but we are now providing all of our senior F/Os a chance to have a go for their upgrade examinations. Also, the F/O salary of 58,500 EUR pa is just a base salary. You can easily add 15,000 to 40,000 EUR as bonus, if we continue to be busy as we are now.
Out of interest what would a year one F/O (UK based) be taking home each month on average with basic pay and the additional supplements of flight pay etc? Would be extremely grateful for any guidance - much appreciated.
Cheers
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 14:34
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Good morning all,

A quick question to those guys n' gals currently working for the company. Do you know if NETJETS offer any dispensation re: hours to ex-mil pilots? I'm an FJ mate and trying to plan for the future.

I'm about to finish up getting my Frozen ATPL and start looking to transition out of the Mil. Any advice you could offer would be massively appreciated! Happy to chat over PM if that's easier (If my account allows it).

Cheers,
GN
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