Best Electronic Pilot Logbook

[the boy]

Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight

https://pilotlog.crewlounge.aero/download/

Appears that the "grand release" has been delayed until 12th March.

Now 20th March...........................

[Intrance]

And so the legend of mccPilotlog v5.0 continues...

[Banana Joe]

Gutted. And 113 euro to have another lifetime license.

[EatMyShorts!]

Originally Posted by Banana Joe

Gutted. And 113 euro to have another lifetime license.

How do you get to EUR 113? It is EUR 71.64, because you just need to purchase the PRO version and then upgrade for free to ENT. But let's wait and see until Q2 2019 to check out the new product first.

[Banana Joe]

Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!

How do you get to EUR 113? It is EUR 71.64, because you just need to purchase the PRO version and then upgrade for free to ENT. But let's wait and see until Q2 2019 to check out the new product first.

Oh well, I stand to be corrected then. I will give a closer look at it.

[EatMyShorts!]

Originally Posted by Banana Joe

Oh well, I stand to be corrected then. I will give a closer look at it.

But it is still not great to be more less forced to purchase a "lifetime subscription" again, because the same manufacturer abandoned its own product.

[MCDU2]

And I am pretty sure that the roster app on your iphone/android is going subscription based (rather than once off fee) so its a double whammy.

[Banana Joe]

Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!

But it is still not great to be more less forced to purchase a "lifetime subscription" again, because the same manufacturer abandoned its own product.

For that I am still pixxed off to say the least.

[Delta12]

I used to have logtenpro.

I can not recommend. At one point sync between iPad and iPhone was not possible, and afterwards my departure/landing time was missing. Block hours still there. When writing to the support, the answer was, it is a known glitch and we informed everybody not so sync... Ok, but I got more important stuff to do than checking emails for possible glitches on my logbook.

If you want to have an electronic logbook, my advice is DO NOT go for a LogBook app, unless they store it in a way, that you still have access to it in case the company goes bust.
Keep in mind, there is a limited amount of users, one off payment will not work out. It has to be a subscription, whatever they promise you.
Does not affect me really, luckily can download my logbook files whenever it suits me from the company website.

Cheers

[eimin]

Another one that fell for their bait, a year ago, buying a "lifetime" ENT license and waiting for the v5 for a bit more functionality with Mac.

I am not giving them a single penny. Found this online, and since I am lazy to make my own Excel file, this will do it seems.
https://excelpilotlogbook.com

[Banana Joe]

I looked into it as well since I am also lazy, but that would only work as a backup. Going fully electronic, I need a function that allows eSignatures for checks and endorsements.

[josephfeatherweight]

Originally Posted by the boy

Now 20th March...........................

This mob would have to win an award for the "worst software launch ever"!
20th has come and gone for me - link is still dead on their page...

[Banana Joe]

They are losing my trust, I can tell you that. Might as well move to the more expensive Coradine's LogTen Pro.

[Pilot238239]

So I have lost complete trust in MCC, my Mac app hasn't worked for almost a year crashing on start and will no longer be supported by macOS being a 32bit app.

The new app they are building is being delayed and delayed and the promise of a native macOS app is long and dead with their stupid three stage install process remaining.

To top it off I did manage to download their new app a few weeks ago when the app wasn't dead and it looks the bloody same as the current one!

Is the only good solution LogTen Pro?

[B77L]

Hi everyone, here is my experience: after having tried different electronic logbooks I have recently discovered FLIGHT LogBook (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mattia.flightlogbook) which I can say so far is the best for quality/price I've tried. Apparently it's a young project made by a group of pilots with passion for IT. No subscription needed, only paid 12 euros at first purchase and they claim there will never be any monthly or yearly fee to pay. I have to say it’s definitely worth the price, it features tons of different statistics, dropbox backups and excel exports. Also generates a Jeppesen copy of your logbook to print and let you monitor your weekly/monthly activity. Interface it’s really easy and simple to use, and they also seem to respond to emails quite fast each time you need support. Absolutely satisfied.

[BRAKES HOT]

Originally Posted by B77L

No subscription needed, only paid 12 euros at first purchase and they claim there will never be any monthly or yearly fee to pay.

I'm glad that's working out for you but that's how both LOGTEN and MCC started out, I migrated from one to the other. Now unsure what to do, may end up subscribing to MCC, unfortunately once a program gains traction there's only a limited market and I can see why these companies would want to move to a subscription model.

[Pilot238239]

Originally Posted by BRAKES HOT

I'm glad that's working out for you but that's how both LOGTEN and MCC started out, I migrated from one to the other. Now unsure what to do, may end up subscribing to MCC, unfortunately once a program gains traction there's only a limited market and I can see why these companies would want to move to a subscription model.

It's similar to being hired by a company getting one pay check then never expecting to get paid again.

Do you expect to work for free? No

Also, MCC have pushed their date back yet again the promise of it will be by the end of March is now it will be April 5th. What a joke.

[tomuchwork]

MCC. Nothing comparable around. Use them now a couple of years, printed of some pages, works perfectly. No need for other, much much much more expensive "solutions".

EDIT: If you pay a "one off" fee in MCC(which is the current deal), how could they charge you later on monthly? You made a deal with this company, if they decide to "move on" and change model you always can sue them. Afaik MCC is thinking about a monthly fee for NEW JOINERS in the future. Just another reason to get it now.

[Pilot238239]

Originally Posted by tomuchwork

MCC. Nothing comparable around. Use them now a couple of years, printed of some pages, works perfectly. No need for other, much much much more expensive "solutions".

EDIT: If you pay a "one off" fee in MCC(which is the current deal), how could they charge you later on monthly? You made a deal with this company, if they decide to "move on" and change model you always can sue them. Afaik MCC is thinking about a monthly fee for NEW JOINERS in the future. Just another reason to get it now.

Because you made a deal with the old company not the new one. It's CrewLounge Pilot Log now, not MCC Pilot Log. Your deal was with MCC not CrewLounge so there would be zero grounds of a lawsuit, the new software everyone will have to re-buy (as per their website) which will get you a three year licence after which you are on the subscription model

[Banana Joe]

The deal is that the three-year licence will actually give you a lifetime license if you're a mccPilotLog user. That's what they say. We will see what happens in 3 years. That would be the last straw for me and would ditch them.