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Old 29th Jan 2008, 21:51
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Hi,

I am desparetly looking for info about Execujet Middle East based in Dubai. As far as I know they are hiring for LR 60. Appreciate any info on the company with focus on:

* Salary for F/O on LR60
* Roster
* Housing allowance (if available)
* Operation

Many thanks in advance.
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unless I am mistaken

The pay is very low, the conditions of employment are not up to the low standards of most of Dubai, but the coffee machine is great.

It also does depend on if the aircraft is managed or owned.

At least one potential managed aircraft was offering to pay captains with 1000+ on type a total, yes, total 7000$ per month 11 on 1 off, to include housing, transport, etc, etc.

I might be wrong, but as in all of UAE, ME, remove the rose tinted specs, ASAP.

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Clicky, to say the least.

Mind you, if you become a spy for the b*g W***y, then you might end up flying a Global. What a price to pay but if you lack integrity and don't mind low pay, then it's probably the place for you!
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nobody out there who has some more adequate infos about Execujet ME ? Appreciate any further statements.


Many Greetings
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You really do not want to go there. Just ran into two of their crew's out on the road and they told some horror stories. Airplanes are pencil whipped on maintenance or not even signed off at all. They told us one case where the mechanics MEL'ed something on an aircraft that did not even have a legal MEL, putting the flight crew at risk.

They do offer rotations and if you live close thats fine, but they fly their crews to and from ECONOMY on the airlines so if you live in the UK its a long flight stuffed between two 80 kilo mama's and kid kicking the back of your seat on the way home.

Other problems are that the management has run off the last two chief pilots. For the last 3-4 months there has been NO chief pilot and a desk driver who lost his medical years ago has "assumed the job" but thats not going to last for long.

All in all a pretty low class operation and you can do better.
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Of course, here is a glaring eg. of a company getting too big for it's boots and forgetting this very important fact.

Apart from the the aircraft, the crews are the greatest asset a company can have. If the crews are looked after, they will look after the company. Forget that very important point and the crews can and do, cost the company dear.

One of the criterion to gaining employment with them is to be a "friend" of the big willy.
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Hi Guys,

thanks for replying. I have heared that in the meantime Execujet has increased the salary, but of course nothing confirmed, mabye they don´t get enough crews now and recognized that their package is too low compared to current market offers. They defintely has to change otherwise won´t be able to get their jets flying.

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chandlers dad

New to this and were looking here to investigate of good operator in the middle east since I would like to relocate to the middle east.
chandlers dad you said the chief pilot position will soon be available. Do you know the operator, any hints where to apply for the CP position.
thanks
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Pants on fire...

Thought everyone should know that the info provided by Chandler's Dad is mostly false and filled with Half-truths - PPRune has mostly been an interesting an reliable for source for young aviators to make enquiries before maybe joining the wrong company.

I know the EJME very well and after making some concerned enquiries, the following is the truth.

- They HAVE lost 2 Chief Pilots. First resigned, because he chose a rotation job and gets to live back at home now. Second resigned from CP position due to Medical concerns. Both STILL fly for the company and are working on new 32 on 28 off contracts. Both are available for comment.

- In another post CD refer's to the loss of "An excellent Aircraft Account Manager" - This individual was fired after investigations into unsafe practises and an event in the cockpit. Enough said.

- Bluesky is correct about salaries having been increased and are competitive + they are only Dubai based Operator providing rotation contracts from base.

- Jets are flying. "Peter Prinicple" seems to be working for them. Only disruption left is getting the existing crew into the new equipment and upgrade smartly and fairly. Disruptions during growth is a part of the game, but all senior crew are settled and informed.

If any of you hear or suspect differently, please let me know. Maybe I can put you in touch with the people who have the facts.

Vert Out.
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Originally Posted by vert

- In another post CD refer's to the loss of "An excellent Aircraft Account Manager" - This individual was fired after investigations into unsafe practises and an event in the cockpit. Enough said.

If any of you hear or suspect differently, please let me know. Maybe I can put you in touch with the people who have the facts.

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Vert,

Sorry but since you seem to know it all, please tell us why the account manager was let go? He still does not know, and not one of the other crew members on that aircraft know either.

He was told that he was let go because of a "wake turbulence incident." Problem was that this happened almost 3 months ago and no one said a thing then. They were put 5 miles in-trail of a 777 and got caught in their wake, rolling them to about a 45 degree angle before they could get it back level. Again, not a word was said then.

Almost 3 months later after this same pilot had returned to the UAE to get his UAE pilots license, medical and residence permit (and passed all of it fine) he is told with no notice that he is being let go and some mention of this "wake turbulence" incident.

Not one pilot flying on this aircraft believes that this is why the pilot was fired, and everyone I have chatted with believes that there is something else going on.

Please tell us what the REAL story is because you seem to know everything going on here? Or are your real initials HA?

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Vert,

You seem to be silent now. Wonder why?

How about telling us about YOUR experiences with ExecuJet, and not what you are getting from your supposed calls to someone in the company. You are very quick to say that everything is a half truth then when confronted say nothing.

Also, what is your comment that there are more than 10 things that EJ did in letting the aircraft manager go that are illegal and against UAE law? To start with, any action with an employee has to be filed within 2 weeks of the incident, not almost 3 months. The very reason for his being let go is illegal and they just opened themselves up for a lawsuit for what they did.

How about the captain of a RJ that EJ is flying who was accused by one of the ex-chief pilots of drinking within the 12 hour before flight time? Tell us about this? Turns out that the pilot who was supposedly drinking had been drinking a coke and not a rum and coke, and the chief pilot "informed" on a innocent pilot to the office. Then several days later he took it upon himself to do a "ramp check" on the pilots just to be a jerk.

Your comments? Tell us what you know directly, and not rumours from the lacky's inside EJ. I got the above directly from the pilots involved.

CD

PS I find it very interesting that you have a grand total of 5 posts and have not been here very long. Makes one wonder where you work in EJ and if you are not part of the problem!
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I have watching this blog an have a few facts of my own to add. The AAM was let go for unfounded and uninvestigated reasons. And with no flight evaluation review, no counselling and NO NOTICE for a supposed incident that did not warrent disciplinary action. This pilot is a good pilot with, by the way, an excellent military and commercial flying record.

Can the people who fired him say the same? If so, let's scrutinize THEIR qualifications in the same manner the pilot's was. Let's see how those who made the decision to fire this pilot came to have that power in the first place. That would be fascinating, since, ironically, the SUM TOTAL of the aviation experience of the operations management at ejme is less than HALF of the lowest time co-pilot in the company. No kidding. Therein lies the core problem (and solution).

This pilot was let go last week because he argued strenuously for the very issues that the company is soliciting the pilots input on this week - better pay, a real medical coverage, travel conditions and above all, competent operations management. Fact is, he would have made a perfect chief pilot!

In the meantime, EJME brings on new aircraft every month onto the ramp. But staffing stays the same. Reason? Pilots won't come here with these dogmatic and inadequate mandates. Instead, they hire contract pilots at THREE TIMES the price to keep "control of the cost situation". By my count, this company has almost as many contract pilots now as it does full timers. Maybe we should rename EJME. How about ACASSME?

Cheers to all.
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Hmmm...

I must say some of the appointments in the last 5 years to "high office" at EJME have raised my eyebrows more than once.

Every dog has it's day.
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ACASSME.... thats very good and very true!

It seemed that over half of the EJME crews that I ran into were not working directly for EJME, but for ACASS under contract to EJME. This means that EJME is paying $35k a month for a pilot that they could get on the open market for $14k or so, but who cares, EJME has a money tree somewhere that never seems to run low on funds, unless its to purchase something that is needed very badly for the crews.

Was told that the director of ops was a pilot at one time (flew King Airs, but never a jet as far as anyone knows) but lost his medical years ago. Why is he allowed by the GCA to be "acting chief pilot" for this long a period? As well how can he even act as a CP without ever having flown a jet powered aircraft? Something is very fishy smelling here.

Whats next? Are they going to let someone be CP next who flew a Piper Cub 40 years ago? How about having flown a radio controlled airplane? Will this do next?

Agree that the gent who was let go would have made a very good Chief Pilot, but as long as the two oafs who are currently in charge of EJME rule the roost they will not allow someone with the balls to stand up to them in a position of power.

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Hi All,

Great to see all the activity since my post. Must have hit a nerve…

CD - sorry for not responding earlier. I unfortunately don’t have as much time to monitor this forum as you seem to. Are you getting enough rests between posts to do your job? This might also explain the insignificance of my total post count. I am humbled.

I don't know the circumstances of the ex-pilot's dismissal, but do know that there have been zero formal complaints from the rest of the crew and that thorough investigations where conducted. Luckily he has a great legal advisor in you - I look forward to reading here about the legal action that is taken. 3 Months is a long time. Did he operate since? Did he report the occurrence? What did the CAA say about the event?

You seem to have a clear misconception about what ACASS get paid for pilots. If they are getting $35k / month for a Captain, what does that Pilot earn out of it? ACASS Profit margins 80%-100%. I think not. Maybe ask the ACASS crew, seeing that you keep running into them. Sorry, but the figure is grossly exaggerated and is below $20k a month. Give ACASS a call on 514 636 1099 and ask.

As for the suspected late drinking case. All I take from this is that one of those ex-chief pilots that you claimed earlier where "run off" actually still cares enough about the company that he reported his suspicions. Was the pilot in question disciplined? How was the matter handled. The "ramp check" that ensued could have been done in the same spirit and any crew should have the confidence and pride to welcome it anytime, anywhere.

You also seem to not understand the structure of the company and the GCAA postholder nominations.

Posthodlers = Accountable Manager, Director of Ops, Ground Ops Manager, Training Manager, Security Manager, Safety Officer. The person that you are continuously slandering is in fact the Ground Ops Manager and is approved by the GCAA in that capacity. Internally, the Chief pilot reports to him and is not a postholder. The company structure has enough Aviation experience to continue Operating and maintain a healthy AOC. If you feel differently, maybe you should report it to the GCAA and see where it goes. It is also anonymous, you know?

A clear sign of a company in trouble is a mass exodus of crew and mass discontent, have we seen this?

Let's break down what we know:

- 2 ex-chief pilots still flying.
- 1 Captain dismissed. Controversially. Litigation pending? No formal complaints from rest of crew contingent.
- Many contract pilots filling gaps created by rapid growth and current crew swaps onto new equipment.
- 1 Case of suspected late drinking that was correctly reported and no clear evidence of unfair treatment of the subject.

C'mon, we must be able to have more than this before we start saying " Every dog has it's day" and calling people you don't know "oafs"

CD - I obviously cannot reveal my identity here, but would enjoy a meeting at EBACE. Why don't you PM me if you can make it.

I would also like to thank all the other pilots who have PM'ed me asking for constructive advice on EJME and other UAE based companies. I will answer you all in the spirit of what PPRune used to be about.

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Good one !

About time some reasonable response was heard on this.

Well done !
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No, not a reasonable response

This what we call a mutual masterbation of the "three stooges" at EJME. Sorry, I cannot take credit for the nickname...it comes direct from the staff itself.

Involving the GCAA is probably a good idea at this point. Request a complete audit of the management, pilots and operational procedures of EJME and cc Mr. Duckworth while we're about it.

Who wants to make the first call?
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Chandlers Dad

You should be ashamed. You are spreading lies about good company, hard working and dedicated people.

Were you fired from Execujet? Judging on the way that you trash company I am sure you were fired.

Chandlers Dad, I am working for Execujet and I am one of the pilots. I am very happy with our company.

I am making great money, am working 1/1 month and get paid for every month, have comprehensive medical, life insurance, severance pay (35 days salary for every year I work with EJME), corporate credit card, roaming phone chip and stay at 5 star hotels.

All of our pilots were never laid off becuase aircraft was sold or managment contract was lost. Pilots always count on long term stability and they know where next pay check is coming from.

Our acting CP (Ops Manager) has more aviation experience and knowlege in his little finger than you will ever have. Mocking a person becuase he lost his medical just is saying a lot about youself. Our OM is honest, hard working and works 24/7 so we all can have a job. Do you know that he also used to be Training Manager and Ops Manager in Europe? He is walking Bible of JAA regulations. He has problems with people like yourself who are liars.

Our Maintenance Department is the best in Middle East. We are Bombardier warranty facility. All Bombardier operators come to us for maintenance. Come and see what is air-conditioned, clean and well organized hangar. All our mechanics are expats and have years of experience. Flying without MEL and unservicable aircraft? That is lie and is stupid. Who has final authority over aircraft? Captain or mechanic?

Aircraft Account Manager was fired becuase he flew into wake turbulence behind B777 with owner on board. He never explained what happened to owner or cabin crew.
Also he was going behind company back trying to take client away and make himself CP for the owner. I heard that owner does not want him back.

Ex. jerk CP who did ramp check maybe had a reason to do it. Chandlers Dad, were you present when ACASS pilots were drinking "coke"? Have you seen the pilots? Do you know those pilots were told by Execujet crew that we have 12 hours drinking policy. Have you seen the state of pilots that night? Also do you know that thier aircraft was left on ramp without covers, gear pins and water panel was left open? Do you think that jerk CP had no reason to do the check. By the way company has photo of aircraft without covers, plugs and pins.

Company has to subcontract pilots from ACASS becuase we are getting more aircraft than any other operator in Dubai. We need to use them to allow us time to properly select our pilots. Hiring process takes 3 months (interview, background check, notice period, resident visa, validation, training etc.) We need to make sure we do not end up with people like you.

So Chandlers Dad, do not trash good company that you do not know anything about.

Execujet is good company with good people. We just have to make sure we do not hire people like yourself.
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All good stuff of course. Just a few things you have forgotton to mention. How much are you BANKING at the end of every month? How many hours flying are they expecting you to do every month?
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I am doing about 50-60 hours.

Company never bothers me and we fly the owners. They are excellent bunch.

Whole crew is very happy. We are in charge of schedule and we work with each other to make sure aircraft is covered.

They never missed my salary payment and I do always get it either on 31st or 1st of the month.

I am very well paid. I would not be working for them if they would not pay me well. I am not desparate to accept a job and than be miserable and bitch to others because somebody is making more. I know how much I am worth and I am getting what I want.

I choose to work for Execujet. They did not choose me becuase they or I was desparate.

I do not understand why are guys bitching about their pay and company. If they do not like it why do they not resign and leave?

If they think they are worth more money than they can go to companies that will pay better or look after them better.

Look. I am signed in as Green Acres so you do not know who I am. I can tell you for sure that I am not part of managment of Execujet. Why would I be defending company? Maybe becuase I hate lies and I know that I take pride along with other pilots of Execujet not to allow this kind of trashing of all of us. Execujet is us. We are Execujet. We take pride in our company.

Even if I leave them I would not trash them. They have paid my salary for what I have agreed. If I do not like it I can go. Nobody is holding me back.

Finally believe me - I do make great money, have excellent benefits and work 6 months per year. I live where I want and they fly me to work and back.

How much are you working per year? Do you get same benefits?
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