CL300

Do airline needs to fly on the 25th ? on the 1st ?

For people switching position , there is some ex Falcon 900EX captains who left their respective companies to go RHS at NJE.....Of course they left a LOT of money behind, but in the move they are keeping the same wife, and can see their kids growing....For airline type background it is another story, but we have plenty ex Air Mauritius and the like who joigned tired of waiting command on their 767 after 8 years looking people bypassing them, and having to live in another F.. island (warm though but still an island )

silverhawk

' after 8 years of being bypassed', sounds like they weren't considered suitable for upgrade to me.

I'm a 737 captain. Why would the likes of me ever consider accepting a rhs position, no matter how short the time to command at Netjets?

btw, my outfit never operate on 25th

south coast

CL300...I take it the 'F' stood for French!

**quote**
and having to live in another F.. island (warm though but still an island )

CL300

Well politics in lot of countries/companies are more than common, but one's need an eye opener to see it.

All majors are flying on christmas and new years eve, and even crews are on stand by in LHR/CDG/FRA and the like, so your question is completely out of sync with an airline type operation, where is your world ? YOU may not fly on those dates BUT hundreds of pilots will be on stand by on these dates and not only them cabin crews, engineers, dispatchers, BECAUSE, it is not an AeroClub, it is a product delivery UNSCHEDULE, ON DEMAND, GUARANTEED availability operation, as a consequence, someone has to do it...
What you see as acceptable for a scheduled traffic suddenly become outrageous for NJE ? Get a life !!
But what a good outfit, not to work on the 25th.....well may be....

CL300

Do not take it too personnal, there is plenty of islands , the way you take it do not bother me at all.
Islands per nature are isolated even the biggest one's, so after a while, especially if you are not a 'local' you want to see the continent, whatever it is. If once in your life you worked overseas or across the channel for a long period of time without being able to come back, you know the feeling.

south coast

I think you missed the point there CL....

Was an attempt at humour.

I would bet you are a continental European?

CL300

Need more training on british humour... those continentals....

silverhawk

Wow, your cage doesn't take much rattling does it?

I spent a whole tour stuck in GVA starting on Christmas Eve and never moved the aircraft once. The rich and famous have better things to do on 25th than bother about working/travelling. That was a few years back. I moved back to the airlines. I have never worked or been on Sby on 25th since then and that's with 3 different UK airlines.

On a recent trip I carried the wife of one of NJE's leading lights, he's also a friend of mine. To attract the numbers they want and the quality they'd like NJE will have to consider direct entry Captains from the airlines.

How do you like them apples?

CL300

It is not XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX... See you missed it again !! and your words mate....You are publishing on a PUBLIC website, first names of people whom are not involved in this conversation, your attitude says it all !! Not even a PM to try to sort out who am I really !! Like I proposed on previous thread you pm your BB number to me, I get back to you asap. And then you will have the wonderfull power to call me by my first name if you wish to do so, but I will have the same trigger !!

jimbob69

Slightly off tangent but I assume this is due to NJ not using Bombardier aircraft?

I do find this tact a little odd as we were a NJ customer for some time and were regularly provided with Bombardier aircraft when NJ could not supply their own - which somewhat makes a mockery of the situation.

Not applicable to this thread just an observation.

Scroll Lock

BOrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.
Another lets slag off NetJets thread.

God, get a life.

CL300

Could start another thread but a quick answer on this one, When Santully started Netjets with S550, he went shopping for new aircraft, he was more or less turned down by Learjet and this is it. No Learjet no Bombardier as a consequence. Politics politics.....

silverhawk

I think you mean 'Santulli'

Smeagel

CL300. I admire your loyalty to the company particularly in the light of how they have just stiffed you on the tax/salary front.
However the thing about signing contracts and agreements is that both parties must abide otherwise it becomes null and void. Netjets lost the high ground when they changed our terms and conditions without consultation.
They (you) cannot have it both ways. Either stick by the rules (oh the irony of the word 'rules' and NJE being in the same sentence) and expect others to do so or break them and bear the consequences.

south coast

Fair comment Smeag....

Contract being broken by NJs

What do you say to that CL300?

erikv

The contractual rule of 6/5 WAS broken 3 years ago and current management are giving it back. I can imagine that people WERE upset about it back then, but fail to understand why some of them keep sounding like a broken record. Of course it takes time to (re)gain trust, but you have to move on at some time.

Erik

south coast

erik my friend

i think it is a little unfair to look at it like that, since it wasnt us who had our contract broken.

i mean, how happy would you have been if it was you who signed up to something, then told, actually this is what it is going to be, accept it or see you later.

would you be so forgiving, trusting, positive?

dont get me wrong, i am mostly of a similar view point to your own, but i just dont think you can say to these long serving people, change the record...they were treated badly.

redsnail

Per diems are tax free.

CL300

Unfortunately for US (netjets pilots), the wonderful UK and dependancies have have very good rules protecting the EMPLOYER, not the EMPLOYEE. If you had spend your 2000 Euros in legal advice , you may had come through an interesting point; which is that in our particular case an UNILATERAL change of some contract conditions is NOT illegal if the scope of employment is the same (ie piloting an aircraft). So you can shout for hours, there is ALWAYS a bottom line, which is in our case : do you wish to stay or not ? If not , then it is simple, walk out, and if you do not want to give anything to the company do it at the latest time your actual contract permits ( December for continentals, April for the others) OR you wish to stay, than, it is even simpler, sign the contract, and hope that the conditions will get better along the line.
I'm not signing a 'blanc-seing' to the company, and I'm hoping that the loyalty and performance bonus will come into play soon. The 1st day of the tour is sorted, even If I personnaly would had like more in-depth for long range positionning but this is a start, some feedback, and I'm pretty sure that this will be done in due time.
Per diems, lucky for you if they are TAX free, they are not in my country

Like erik said , you have to move, WE have to move, ALL together, give the benefice of the doubt, INERTIA is difficult to overcome BUT we are getting there.
I, YOU, WE have to be optimistic, our future lies with us, not only for T&C . The company has a strong culture of supporting employees when they need it (I'va had to ask for things in the past and was never turned down). The company DOES NOT have to be supportive for people that alter it's image at ANY time (being on Rest during your days ON you are still working for the company); the confidential agreement that we signed is binding us towards this as well. This is why I hate people giving away names or situations attacking people on pure rumours (what is pprune for ) on a public website is against this agreement that we all signed at time of indoc.


Even if i'm not christian, X-mas and the new year associated is at door step, forgiveness is in the package. I wish that you will see, a bright light in 2007, compassion and trust, recognition of your qualities, improvement of your weak points and achievement in your carreers. May yourself and your families be in good health throughout. I wish I will see you in a flet that you like, with sectors that you love, good tailwinds, no turbulence, and a lot of visual approaches as well as some 550 m RVR, (waiting for the 75 meter hand flown..)
Merry christmas and happy new year 2007 !!!

redsnail

Cheers CL300, whilst I may not always agree 100% of the things you say, I can't argue with your last paragraph.