Netjets claim to have the BEST pilots!!
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This post started with an unfortunate advertising claim that I never read here in the US. It then graduated through to trading political insults.....
I have looked at your profiles and you are both either:
a) very humble
or
b) very unqualifed.
I suspect the latter.
I have found that attitude does determine your altitude in this industry.
I think that you have to look hard at yourself when you hold in disdain the success through hard work of others. I have recruited pilots in the past and have observed defensive behaviour like this in the hand writing of applications and found it true on interview day, (wishing to offer the benefit of the doubt).
About the promotion. No, theres no promotion. I'm already a captain and have been for some time. I have been a union safety representative for an airline while working in New York for three and a half years and a company examiner on the B-757/767.
This job is a chance for me to spend more time with my family and pursue other interests. It's also a chance for me to celebrate my experience and professionalism with a crew and client group that also enjoys a high grade of service.
Attacks about my assumed nationality, assumed brown-nosing or assumed political persuasion are distractions from the original thread.
Would you like a little more cheese with that whine!
I have looked at your profiles and you are both either:
a) very humble
or
b) very unqualifed.
I suspect the latter.
I have found that attitude does determine your altitude in this industry.
I think that you have to look hard at yourself when you hold in disdain the success through hard work of others. I have recruited pilots in the past and have observed defensive behaviour like this in the hand writing of applications and found it true on interview day, (wishing to offer the benefit of the doubt).
About the promotion. No, theres no promotion. I'm already a captain and have been for some time. I have been a union safety representative for an airline while working in New York for three and a half years and a company examiner on the B-757/767.
This job is a chance for me to spend more time with my family and pursue other interests. It's also a chance for me to celebrate my experience and professionalism with a crew and client group that also enjoys a high grade of service.
Attacks about my assumed nationality, assumed brown-nosing or assumed political persuasion are distractions from the original thread.
Would you like a little more cheese with that whine!
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"More cheese with my whine?" Why do you react with such a shallow meaningless comment?
For somebody who claims such admirable qualifications in our industry,your logic process is sadly lacking.
My qualifications are actually some way ahead of your own,but it is not really necessary to advertise them so vocally!
I am fortunate enough to have "semi-retired". I do not, unlike yourself ,have any axe to grind,nor am I seeking to brown nose my way to premotion!!
Your "Tone" is more compatable to a few young S.F.Os. (Which I could understand at this stage of one's career.)
Surely you must accept that you simply have little experience of the European arena & many of us have worked Airline/Corporate on both sides of The Pond for long periods of time. On this we base our comments.
Anyway,good luck with all your aspirations!
For somebody who claims such admirable qualifications in our industry,your logic process is sadly lacking.
My qualifications are actually some way ahead of your own,but it is not really necessary to advertise them so vocally!
I am fortunate enough to have "semi-retired". I do not, unlike yourself ,have any axe to grind,nor am I seeking to brown nose my way to premotion!!
Your "Tone" is more compatable to a few young S.F.Os. (Which I could understand at this stage of one's career.)
Surely you must accept that you simply have little experience of the European arena & many of us have worked Airline/Corporate on both sides of The Pond for long periods of time. On this we base our comments.
Anyway,good luck with all your aspirations!
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Premotion????
Well, good luck to you too, with your retirement.
I did not wish to advertise my qualifications, but merely defend my fellow airmen from industry jealousy.
You may or may not be more qualified, that's a broad and subjective judgement to make. I have seen crews with 28 years with the same airline struggle with concepts that you and I would find easy while transitioning to EFIS, FMS and EICAS. Believe me, it was difficult to not show frustration with these "more qualified" individuals.
The accusations of this post seem to be from people who would either:
a) like to work for Netjets
or
b) are frightened that Netjets will undermine their job security.
I cannot give assurances of future employment to anyone but fractional is a fact of life and it's here to stay. The formulation for success may have some financial hurdles to overcome, but like all things in aviation, it will progress to a point where its considered more broadly viable.
To anyone else who has listened to either side of what has been an over indulgence of egos, I suggest that you should apply, if rejected apply again, and go to the interview without a bad attitude and enjoy this new form of corporate flying.
It's not for everyone. We have had airline guys especially, come and then leave. Others have left the airlines through retirement or furlough and have decided to stay.
All I can say is that I wish everyone experiences the happiness in their personal and professional lives that I have found.
I went to a Qantas interview in 1999 and spoke to the tech crew. They had seven marriages between three crew members. Without even meaning to, I talked myself out of the job by the final interview. I'm sure you will agree, it was the right thing to do. Leave the opportunity for someone who really feels they want it.
Fractional flying does have some inherent problems that people with a very different attitude than that required to fly at the airlines will have to overcome.
My mother who was born and raised in England, died in Australia of cancer last Sunday. With seven children and twenty-three grandchildren, a large farm filled with memories, her lifes choices were right for her.
It was the right choice for me to make the life's choices I have made so far. I do so proudly and without regret.
I did not wish to advertise my qualifications, but merely defend my fellow airmen from industry jealousy.
You may or may not be more qualified, that's a broad and subjective judgement to make. I have seen crews with 28 years with the same airline struggle with concepts that you and I would find easy while transitioning to EFIS, FMS and EICAS. Believe me, it was difficult to not show frustration with these "more qualified" individuals.
The accusations of this post seem to be from people who would either:
a) like to work for Netjets
or
b) are frightened that Netjets will undermine their job security.
I cannot give assurances of future employment to anyone but fractional is a fact of life and it's here to stay. The formulation for success may have some financial hurdles to overcome, but like all things in aviation, it will progress to a point where its considered more broadly viable.
To anyone else who has listened to either side of what has been an over indulgence of egos, I suggest that you should apply, if rejected apply again, and go to the interview without a bad attitude and enjoy this new form of corporate flying.
It's not for everyone. We have had airline guys especially, come and then leave. Others have left the airlines through retirement or furlough and have decided to stay.
All I can say is that I wish everyone experiences the happiness in their personal and professional lives that I have found.
I went to a Qantas interview in 1999 and spoke to the tech crew. They had seven marriages between three crew members. Without even meaning to, I talked myself out of the job by the final interview. I'm sure you will agree, it was the right thing to do. Leave the opportunity for someone who really feels they want it.
Fractional flying does have some inherent problems that people with a very different attitude than that required to fly at the airlines will have to overcome.
My mother who was born and raised in England, died in Australia of cancer last Sunday. With seven children and twenty-three grandchildren, a large farm filled with memories, her lifes choices were right for her.
It was the right choice for me to make the life's choices I have made so far. I do so proudly and without regret.
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I think this is the appropriate place for disagreements and agreements, but let me tell you something.
I've been in Colombus, I spent some time in the operations there, and as you probably guess I fly in NetJets Europe. Although the concepts of operation came from the same person, for both US and Europe, and that person is Rich Santulli, my point is Mr. Richard Santulli is completly unaware of what the management is doing in Europe with NetJets.
So my friend, although we share the same name there are two completly different realities. I know NetJets USA is not perfect, but is miles ahead of NetJets Europe. Having said that, please continue to defend NetJets but please differentiate from USA and Europe.
I think this is the appropriate place for disagreements and agreements, but let me tell you something.
I've been in Colombus, I spent some time in the operations there, and as you probably guess I fly in NetJets Europe. Although the concepts of operation came from the same person, for both US and Europe, and that person is Rich Santulli, my point is Mr. Richard Santulli is completly unaware of what the management is doing in Europe with NetJets.
So my friend, although we share the same name there are two completly different realities. I know NetJets USA is not perfect, but is miles ahead of NetJets Europe. Having said that, please continue to defend NetJets but please differentiate from USA and Europe.
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I have semi-retired because I am financially fortunate enough to be in a position so to do. I continue to fly because I really enjoy it.
You to need "rant" less & "chill" more!
Listen to Redbelt,& DIGEST!!
From ME, Over & Out.
I have semi-retired because I am financially fortunate enough to be in a position so to do. I continue to fly because I really enjoy it.
You to need "rant" less & "chill" more!
Listen to Redbelt,& DIGEST!!
From ME, Over & Out.
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Quite correct, "Up & Away". WHEN ONE IS COMMUNICATING VIA R/T. However,unless I am mistaken this is The PPRune Forum,and I was sitting in my study at home discussing a hot topic via the use of my (not too rapid) fingertips and my PC, not sitting in an aircraft communicating with ATC via radio transmission.
So in this scenario, the "Over" bit means that for me this topic is "Over"
The "Out" bit means that I will be taking myself "Out" of any further debate on this paticular subject.
A play on words?!
So in this scenario, the "Over" bit means that for me this topic is "Over"
The "Out" bit means that I will be taking myself "Out" of any further debate on this paticular subject.
A play on words?!
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I do not know to be honest.
There seem to be so many conflicting opinions from within & without as to what the present state of their recruitment requirements are.
Perhaps touch space with anybody who attended their open day recently at LGW.
My guess is "If you fit the profile & PERSIST", there maybe something going on?!
I do not know to be honest.
There seem to be so many conflicting opinions from within & without as to what the present state of their recruitment requirements are.
Perhaps touch space with anybody who attended their open day recently at LGW.
My guess is "If you fit the profile & PERSIST", there maybe something going on?!
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I used to be a member on this forum about five years ago but today I simply don’t have the time or patience to filter through all the crap that is posted here. With regards to Netjets Europe here are some Facts:
I have been flying commercially 15 years for both charter companies and scheduled airlines.
I joined Netjets a few months ago and so far I don’t have any complaints. The flying is great and at the end of each tour you get 4-5 days off at home. There aren’t many airlines or corporate operators out there today that offer anything remotely close. The operation isn’t perfect but that’s not unusual with rapidly expanding companies (Netjets are recruiting around 100 pilots over the next 8 months). Management is aware of the problems and they seem to be addressing them which is a lot more than I can say about my previous employer.
As a first officer based in the UK the annual salary is 51,000 euros + 15,000p.a. in allowances.
For those that missed out what can I say. Life is tough, stop bitching and get on with it.
For those still interested: Keep trying, you can do a lot worse.
For the unhappy ones: Get another job.
I have been flying commercially 15 years for both charter companies and scheduled airlines.
I joined Netjets a few months ago and so far I don’t have any complaints. The flying is great and at the end of each tour you get 4-5 days off at home. There aren’t many airlines or corporate operators out there today that offer anything remotely close. The operation isn’t perfect but that’s not unusual with rapidly expanding companies (Netjets are recruiting around 100 pilots over the next 8 months). Management is aware of the problems and they seem to be addressing them which is a lot more than I can say about my previous employer.
As a first officer based in the UK the annual salary is 51,000 euros + 15,000p.a. in allowances.
For those that missed out what can I say. Life is tough, stop bitching and get on with it.
For those still interested: Keep trying, you can do a lot worse.
For the unhappy ones: Get another job.
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Just a final note on applications.
Some companies will reply to all applications , others will only reply to those applications being considered. This is how it s always been done and if you have been in the business long enough you would know. Some companies just don’t have the time or resources to weed out all the 200hr cvs to get to what they are looking for. So do some research, find out the name of the Training manager or Flight OPS manager and get your application in early.
Here at NETJETS I have met about 30 guys so far and their experience level varies between 2500hrs to well over 10000hrs with backgrounds in military, airline and GA. A pretty good mix if you ask me.
For all the angry ants out there I do believe in the old saying “there is no substitute for experience”. That’s not saying that all high time operators are better pilots. I have been involved in training in the past and I have flown with 5000+ hrs guys who have made me a bit nervous to say the least. That’s where sim checking and training comes in.
All I am saying is that a pretty switched on 1000hr pilot today will be 10 times better in a few years with 4000-5000 hrs under his belt.
Signing off.
Some companies will reply to all applications , others will only reply to those applications being considered. This is how it s always been done and if you have been in the business long enough you would know. Some companies just don’t have the time or resources to weed out all the 200hr cvs to get to what they are looking for. So do some research, find out the name of the Training manager or Flight OPS manager and get your application in early.
Here at NETJETS I have met about 30 guys so far and their experience level varies between 2500hrs to well over 10000hrs with backgrounds in military, airline and GA. A pretty good mix if you ask me.
For all the angry ants out there I do believe in the old saying “there is no substitute for experience”. That’s not saying that all high time operators are better pilots. I have been involved in training in the past and I have flown with 5000+ hrs guys who have made me a bit nervous to say the least. That’s where sim checking and training comes in.
All I am saying is that a pretty switched on 1000hr pilot today will be 10 times better in a few years with 4000-5000 hrs under his belt.
Signing off.
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What about the people who apply, to the correct e-mail addresses everytime the NJ ad goes in and never receive a reply? People that have between 10,000 and 20,000hrs, type rated and experienced on at least one of the A/C operated by NJE and NJME. Sometimes two types, with significant command time on these A/C. Please inform me why one should not expect a reply? That is all that is being asked. Common courtesy, it is called if I remember rightly. I know, so little of it around these days.
Why should one have to approach by another unadvertised method, ie. contact the management direct? I have been around long enough to know that I would rather and have, gone through the correct channels.
Are you implying maybe it better to go over to Lisbon and get down on on all fours and grovel? That is something I would expect from a second rate outfit in the third world (law of the jungle), not an operator like Netjets in the so called civilized world.
I await your response with interest.
What about the people who apply, to the correct e-mail addresses everytime the NJ ad goes in and never receive a reply? People that have between 10,000 and 20,000hrs, type rated and experienced on at least one of the A/C operated by NJE and NJME. Sometimes two types, with significant command time on these A/C. Please inform me why one should not expect a reply? That is all that is being asked. Common courtesy, it is called if I remember rightly. I know, so little of it around these days.
Why should one have to approach by another unadvertised method, ie. contact the management direct? I have been around long enough to know that I would rather and have, gone through the correct channels.
Are you implying maybe it better to go over to Lisbon and get down on on all fours and grovel? That is something I would expect from a second rate outfit in the third world (law of the jungle), not an operator like Netjets in the so called civilized world.
I await your response with interest.
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Ok thanks for the response.
Good, well at least that is an improvement.
Just trying to correct a previous posting, that only pilots with about 200hrs don't receive a reply.
Ok thanks for the response.
Good, well at least that is an improvement.
Just trying to correct a previous posting, that only pilots with about 200hrs don't receive a reply.
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I applied twice in the last two months (after each FI ad) and received a reply twice (one postal letter and one e-mail message).
Still I don't have the requirements NJ is looking for...
But happily ever after I'm 'in file' now, even without meeting their requirements (though getting pretty close)...
Still I don't have the requirements NJ is looking for...
But happily ever after I'm 'in file' now, even without meeting their requirements (though getting pretty close)...