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I am sure your achievements and contribution to aviation safety are nothing short of legendary.
Looking at your posts on this and other threads regarding NJE I get the impression you are on the fast track to high office with your present employer.
For the benefit of the NJE hopefuls
Q 1. Are you fallible?
Q 2. Is seniority respected at NJE?
I am sure your achievements and contribution to aviation safety are nothing short of legendary.
Looking at your posts on this and other threads regarding NJE I get the impression you are on the fast track to high office with your present employer.
For the benefit of the NJE hopefuls
Q 1. Are you fallible?
Q 2. Is seniority respected at NJE?
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If you didn't meet at the recurrent the other month it's probably because you were so far up DM's cave you didn't notice ......typical though of your type......."I don't believe WE could have recruited someone so negative", as if YOU would have any capacity other than opening bottles of champagne to make that decision ....... 'your que to insert infantile icon'......yes, most pilots emerge from locked doors after a period of time, most of us can hold our bladders for 1.2 hours and at the same time manage not to be intercepted!!!..........Regarding your apparent pretence as company safety officer for 6 years, for an antiquated A300 operator, WE have our doubts.....credentials are a matter of subjectivity not capabability as you should be aware of by now at NJE......I am tempted to set you straight at ###########6 regarding your imagined pretence, but I suggest you don't tempt me.......never forget who might be buying you your next beer in Roissy........I would advise you to spend more time preparing for your subsequent days on tour rather than engaging in your boring drivel.........Credentials.... yes how would you recognize MJ and all his credentials at the bar??????
Don't worry, he'll tell you
P.S. Still haven't answered the question on Duty-Time Limitations Mr. Safety Officer!
Don't worry, he'll tell you
P.S. Still haven't answered the question on Duty-Time Limitations Mr. Safety Officer!
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Thanks for your kind remarks regarding my previous post. I value your thoughtful and constructive comments.
However, I can only reiterate what Mike and Chris H have already said: Most guys n girls seem very happy with their lot, the companies expanding fast, the TRIs say the guys n girls coming in are of a good standard and the management seem to be working hard at making sure the expansion is done right. I can’t think of many of my mates in the airlines who could say one of those things about their company; never mind all of them.
Perhaps you might consider a change from the vitriol and do something less destructive with your time.
Thanks for your kind remarks regarding my previous post. I value your thoughtful and constructive comments.
However, I can only reiterate what Mike and Chris H have already said: Most guys n girls seem very happy with their lot, the companies expanding fast, the TRIs say the guys n girls coming in are of a good standard and the management seem to be working hard at making sure the expansion is done right. I can’t think of many of my mates in the airlines who could say one of those things about their company; never mind all of them.
Perhaps you might consider a change from the vitriol and do something less destructive with your time.
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This has been a great thread - probably the best I can remember on Biz Jets - I hope you two aren't going to spoil it to the extent that it requires modification or closure.
I can just imagine the scene in the cockpit if you two ever ended up together.
Keep it nice folk. Bit of the Yuletide cheer please.
4HP
I can just imagine the scene in the cockpit if you two ever ended up together.
Keep it nice folk. Bit of the Yuletide cheer please.
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For the last time, with reference to your last post.....and to think from your recent posts that you were a safety officer for 6 years for a previous company is incredulous, to say the least, especially since your contributions are stuff of legend ......... because you have chosen to ignore my references to Duty-Time Limitations, I will try to make it a little more clear for you with a hypothetical scenario..........you live in let's say Luton, your positioning flight is at 08:00LT......you aim to be at the airport by 07:00, so let's assume up by 06:00......slot time with any luck of 08:20 to pick-up the aircraft in GVA.......you arrive by10:00, with no delays expected. You now have to make from the main terminal to the FBO, let's say by 10:30, we'll build in an unforseen delay of a mere 30 min......that put's you in the vicinity of the aircraft by 11:00.....fair enough so far???........show-time at NJE pre-departure is 90 min.......miraculously you are airborne by 12:30. You are scheduled for 4 sectors today.....yes you don't have to answer the duty-time limitations question, but you know aswell as I do, that in this particular scenario you are limited to a 12 hours duty day.........In your humble opinion( I invite any other NJE pilots aswell to join in at this point) would you attempt to provide us with when YOU think your duty day started, given the scenario presented, and when it ends..........remembering of course what doubleu_anker had to say regarding your posts at the top of page 10 of this article try to stay with it for at least 1 post!!!!..............I hope 4HP you'll bear with this a little bit longer, so as to expose from a safety point of view, especially for the younger chaps, a huge anomaly in the OPS Manual approved for the benefit of NJE by the Portugeuse Authority......TA
For the last time, with reference to your last post.....and to think from your recent posts that you were a safety officer for 6 years for a previous company is incredulous, to say the least, especially since your contributions are stuff of legend ......... because you have chosen to ignore my references to Duty-Time Limitations, I will try to make it a little more clear for you with a hypothetical scenario..........you live in let's say Luton, your positioning flight is at 08:00LT......you aim to be at the airport by 07:00, so let's assume up by 06:00......slot time with any luck of 08:20 to pick-up the aircraft in GVA.......you arrive by10:00, with no delays expected. You now have to make from the main terminal to the FBO, let's say by 10:30, we'll build in an unforseen delay of a mere 30 min......that put's you in the vicinity of the aircraft by 11:00.....fair enough so far???........show-time at NJE pre-departure is 90 min.......miraculously you are airborne by 12:30. You are scheduled for 4 sectors today.....yes you don't have to answer the duty-time limitations question, but you know aswell as I do, that in this particular scenario you are limited to a 12 hours duty day.........In your humble opinion( I invite any other NJE pilots aswell to join in at this point) would you attempt to provide us with when YOU think your duty day started, given the scenario presented, and when it ends..........remembering of course what doubleu_anker had to say regarding your posts at the top of page 10 of this article try to stay with it for at least 1 post!!!!..............I hope 4HP you'll bear with this a little bit longer, so as to expose from a safety point of view, especially for the younger chaps, a huge anomaly in the OPS Manual approved for the benefit of NJE by the Portugeuse Authority......TA
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so much tension....
I think you should all get togethere more often with your ladies and get some stress out...
..2 days extra/month for that purpose?query your operator for it..he might say yes..
A part from Mike funny microwaves and other pictures..i think its time to quit this personal thing ,you could only get more brain cells flying your aircrat and think about this wonderful Christmas..
SAFE Flying,
M.85
I think you should all get togethere more often with your ladies and get some stress out...
..2 days extra/month for that purpose?query your operator for it..he might say yes..A part from Mike funny microwaves and other pictures..i think its time to quit this personal thing ,you could only get more brain cells flying your aircrat and think about this wonderful Christmas..
SAFE Flying,
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duty time
I guess we're not going to get the answer to that perfectly reasonable question about duty time.
Just when it was getting interesting. Pity toys started being thrown from prams.
I do agree those icons are starting to get annoying though.
Thank you activewaypoint for the link to the AIB report on the Netjets event at Aberdeen. It does make interesting reading. Wonder what duty hours were involved there ?
Are the pilots concerned still pursuing an active career with Netjets Europe or have they been offered a quiet departure ? or is that another item covered by confidentiality like salary and FTL ?
Hey jammers,
can't send you a pm ! Whats happened there ?
Just when it was getting interesting. Pity toys started being thrown from prams.
I do agree those icons are starting to get annoying though.
Thank you activewaypoint for the link to the AIB report on the Netjets event at Aberdeen. It does make interesting reading. Wonder what duty hours were involved there ?
Are the pilots concerned still pursuing an active career with Netjets Europe or have they been offered a quiet departure ? or is that another item covered by confidentiality like salary and FTL ?
Hey jammers,
can't send you a pm ! Whats happened there ?
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Thanks mate. Tried to reply but unable. Now you haven't been a naughty boy and got yourself banned have you?!
Hardly cricket old chap. What?!!
To answer your Q. The answer is no.
He's all p*** and w***
Had dealings with the likes previously.
Thanks mate. Tried to reply but unable. Now you haven't been a naughty boy and got yourself banned have you?!
Hardly cricket old chap. What?!!
To answer your Q. The answer is no.
He's all p*** and w***
Had dealings with the likes previously.
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Well, it does make incredible reading.......5 bounces! What captaincy, having the co-pilot with 38hrs on type attempt an arrival only just on the x-wind limit..........don't know if they're still with the outfit......empty sector though, pax may not have been impressed with that!
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Netjets have the best pilots?
Who has the best pilots? Who is the best pilot?
My two cents..
When your plane goes off the runway like the Concord, will you do the right thing or do a pre V1 takeoff.
When your horizontal stabilizer starts to lock up, will you mess with it for 45 minutes untill the friggin tail comes off or land the aircraft.
When you have a cockpit fire, will you get the plane down or have a running argument about fuel dumping to the scene of the accident.
When you pick up ice, will you fly around Roselawn for an hour on the autopilot untill the plane stalls or will you depart icing.
on and on.
All good pilots don't neccessarily get paid well, and all good pilots don't fly nice equipment. I fly a Citation, single pilot, under the exemption. If I want to read the books, kiss some ass, take a 75% paycut, I can find and airliner to fly, and say I now have credentials.
Show me the pilot who's actualy dealt with an emergency, flown in the soup, picked up ice, had some problems, plans trips safely, then you have my respect.
For those who don't know: Going to Netjets for $20k per year is not a career move. It's the job you get when you don't want to bag groceries, sell cars or flight instruct. Every Net Jet pilot I have talked to likes his job, hates the pay and is a walking talking irony.
Most logbooks are padded and simply reflect society's moral standards and acceptence of lying about ones credentials. Most pilots I know have skeletons, so it's easy to hide behind a keyboard.
Wanna find a good pilot. Do a credit check, background check, fitness test, and a flight test. Then ask him about what if's. If what if's can't be explained to your satisfaction on the ground, he surely won't be able to do it up in the air.
We need to hire less on personality and more on substance. We need more pilots who care about the passengers, and don't overload the aircraft, know the maintainance status etc.
I'm and corporate pilot, no one's perfect there either, but you don't see to many stupid corporate aircraft accidents. Business owners don't want and idiot flying them around...not usualy.
SSG
My two cents..
When your plane goes off the runway like the Concord, will you do the right thing or do a pre V1 takeoff.
When your horizontal stabilizer starts to lock up, will you mess with it for 45 minutes untill the friggin tail comes off or land the aircraft.
When you have a cockpit fire, will you get the plane down or have a running argument about fuel dumping to the scene of the accident.
When you pick up ice, will you fly around Roselawn for an hour on the autopilot untill the plane stalls or will you depart icing.
on and on.
All good pilots don't neccessarily get paid well, and all good pilots don't fly nice equipment. I fly a Citation, single pilot, under the exemption. If I want to read the books, kiss some ass, take a 75% paycut, I can find and airliner to fly, and say I now have credentials.
Show me the pilot who's actualy dealt with an emergency, flown in the soup, picked up ice, had some problems, plans trips safely, then you have my respect.
For those who don't know: Going to Netjets for $20k per year is not a career move. It's the job you get when you don't want to bag groceries, sell cars or flight instruct. Every Net Jet pilot I have talked to likes his job, hates the pay and is a walking talking irony.
Most logbooks are padded and simply reflect society's moral standards and acceptence of lying about ones credentials. Most pilots I know have skeletons, so it's easy to hide behind a keyboard.
Wanna find a good pilot. Do a credit check, background check, fitness test, and a flight test. Then ask him about what if's. If what if's can't be explained to your satisfaction on the ground, he surely won't be able to do it up in the air.
We need to hire less on personality and more on substance. We need more pilots who care about the passengers, and don't overload the aircraft, know the maintainance status etc.
I'm and corporate pilot, no one's perfect there either, but you don't see to many stupid corporate aircraft accidents. Business owners don't want and idiot flying them around...not usualy.
SSG
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You would do well to listen to the previous post JENVEY.......looks like had your wee little posting priviledges suspended by Santa...
poor fella......hopefully you'll have received a few more icons under your tree.....careful how you use them next time.......eventually, as you can see from the previous posts, all the REAL pilots see through you at the end of the day....I'm hoping you'll stick to rules, ATFQ and stop wasting everyones time......For everyone else's information NJE FTL begins 90 min. prior to your 1st departure, regardless if you have been deadheading for 8 hrs. previous to your reporting time.......if you want to keep our job, shut your mouth and do as you are told,or you surely will end up packing groceries....as many former employees can attest.........
Merry Merry..............
poor fella......hopefully you'll have received a few more icons under your tree.....careful how you use them next time.......eventually, as you can see from the previous posts, all the REAL pilots see through you at the end of the day....I'm hoping you'll stick to rules, ATFQ and stop wasting everyones time......For everyone else's information NJE FTL begins 90 min. prior to your 1st departure, regardless if you have been deadheading for 8 hrs. previous to your reporting time.......if you want to keep our job, shut your mouth and do as you are told,or you surely will end up packing groceries....as many former employees can attest.........
Merry Merry..............
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I have enjoyed reading your post and I have a question. Why don't you leave Netjets if you are so unhappy? Or you could talk to your fleet manager or you could voice you concerns through the (now very good) training dept or to the safety and standards manager/pilot (Capt Dorf)??
Please do something other than bitch on this web site, it's no good for the company and the pilots who wish to have a long and fulfilling career.
Or you could contact the IPA/IPF and seek advice and some representation. Just an idea.
Me, I'm happy. I just do my time, never have too long dead heading and if I felt too fatigued I would talk to the fleet manager and to scheduling.
Good wishes for the season to you and to all my brother and sister pilots within the company.
CC
I have enjoyed reading your post and I have a question. Why don't you leave Netjets if you are so unhappy? Or you could talk to your fleet manager or you could voice you concerns through the (now very good) training dept or to the safety and standards manager/pilot (Capt Dorf)??
Please do something other than bitch on this web site, it's no good for the company and the pilots who wish to have a long and fulfilling career.
Or you could contact the IPA/IPF and seek advice and some representation. Just an idea.
Me, I'm happy. I just do my time, never have too long dead heading and if I felt too fatigued I would talk to the fleet manager and to scheduling.
Good wishes for the season to you and to all my brother and sister pilots within the company.
CC
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Folks, Jenvey's & jammers hate mail has continued to the extent that I closed the thread and in so doing I posted some irritated language in which I referred to them as immature girls having a spat which naturally led to a knee-jerk reaction by some of our readers who have complained about my sexist language.
I’m sorry and I apologize for the inference and have retracted my comments, re-opened the thread and taken the more appropriate step of banning these two gentlemen from any further input on this thread.
4HP
I’m sorry and I apologize for the inference and have retracted my comments, re-opened the thread and taken the more appropriate step of banning these two gentlemen from any further input on this thread.
4HP