Netjets claim to have the BEST pilots!!
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Netjets claim to have the BEST pilots!!
Outrageously, a Netjets spokesman recently claimed in The Times to have the best pilots. Can he really expect the world at large to fall for this marketing propoganda?
Do their runway incursions by a training captain and repeated alt busts on a sid by a fleet manager not demonstrate the true lack of quality and training standards?
Do their runway incursions by a training captain and repeated alt busts on a sid by a fleet manager not demonstrate the true lack of quality and training standards?
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What rubbish!!! Net Jets have a great PR dept. They are able to sell the CEO's of the world their concept of cheap corporate air travel. It is actually very expensive and bottom of the barrel. The only pilots who will fly for them are people who can't get anything better. The working conditions are terrible the pay is poor. You figure it out.
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"Do their runway incursions by a training captain and repeated alt busts................true lack of quality and training standards?"
Nobody's perfect and mistakes happen with every flying operation. How often do you hear a Skyshare call sign in the across Europe? All day, every day in fact over 100 flights a day so some minor incidents may happen from time to time.
Nobody slagged off the Easy crew who taxied into a tug in EDI this week so give us a break. Ever incident has some mitigating circumstances.
I must agree with the pay issue, PAY RISE NEEDED please DM.
Nobody's perfect and mistakes happen with every flying operation. How often do you hear a Skyshare call sign in the across Europe? All day, every day in fact over 100 flights a day so some minor incidents may happen from time to time.
Nobody slagged off the Easy crew who taxied into a tug in EDI this week so give us a break. Ever incident has some mitigating circumstances.
I must agree with the pay issue, PAY RISE NEEDED please DM.
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Minor incidents
crossing runway threshold with a landing ac at 1/2 mile is not minor, nor is starting engines with fuel bowser parked directly behind ac, nor is an ac with loss of comms on lhs whenever above fl150 for more than a year, nor is fleet manager advocating getting airborne with stall warning u/s (contrary to mel). I could go on, but what's the point?
my point is that their marketing dept cannot really expect the world at large to really believe that NJE have the best pilots.
At best they have an average selection on the line.
In reality they have pilots in management positions who cannot operate an airplane to save their lives and who dodge tough examiners in the sim to maintain their positions.
Charging the highest fees and inferring that costs relate directly to flight safety is purely nonsensical and is just an instrument to reduce the losses of NJE.
Minor incidents
crossing runway threshold with a landing ac at 1/2 mile is not minor, nor is starting engines with fuel bowser parked directly behind ac, nor is an ac with loss of comms on lhs whenever above fl150 for more than a year, nor is fleet manager advocating getting airborne with stall warning u/s (contrary to mel). I could go on, but what's the point?
my point is that their marketing dept cannot really expect the world at large to really believe that NJE have the best pilots.
At best they have an average selection on the line.
In reality they have pilots in management positions who cannot operate an airplane to save their lives and who dodge tough examiners in the sim to maintain their positions.
Charging the highest fees and inferring that costs relate directly to flight safety is purely nonsensical and is just an instrument to reduce the losses of NJE.
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Well Flintstone, the fact is Netjets is not a great company to work for. If you as a pilot had a choice between working for a Fortune 500 Co. or a large European company or Net Jets which would you chose? I don't for a moment suggest there are not some excellent pilots putting in their time at Net Jets. What I do suggest is that they all have their resumes out there and will leave in a heartbeat when anything at all opens up; because almost anything will be better. It's a no brainer.
As for the view..it is clear and unobstructed by smoke and mirrors.
As for the view..it is clear and unobstructed by smoke and mirrors.
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Erm....wouldn't that apply to anyone, anywhere? No matter where you were working, if a 'better' offer came up you'd take it. Wouldn't you? Surely THAT'S the no brainer.
And to answer your question(s), no I don't think I would move to either an airline or single owner. Back and forth to the same destinations, max hours and only two or three days off just wouldn't suit me and being on standby 24 hours a day, seven days a week doesn't float my boat either.
Some of the Netjets pilots want to go to the airlines, sure. On the other hand NJE have plenty of applications from airline employees.
A friend of mine told me the other day that most of his colleagues in a budget airline (company 'A') would give their eye teeth to work for a charter outfit (company 'B') operating from the same airport while most of those already employed by company B want to go to company A.
Something to do with the colour of grass.
I'm not saying things are perfect at Netjets. Like anywhere else there are things that I do like about it and some I don't but I'd much rather try to work at changing things from the inside than whinge and bitch but do nothing.
If it doesn't pay off I'll move on but at least I'll have made the effort.
The only pilots who will fly for them are people who can't get anything better
And to answer your question(s), no I don't think I would move to either an airline or single owner. Back and forth to the same destinations, max hours and only two or three days off just wouldn't suit me and being on standby 24 hours a day, seven days a week doesn't float my boat either.
Some of the Netjets pilots want to go to the airlines, sure. On the other hand NJE have plenty of applications from airline employees.
A friend of mine told me the other day that most of his colleagues in a budget airline (company 'A') would give their eye teeth to work for a charter outfit (company 'B') operating from the same airport while most of those already employed by company B want to go to company A.
Something to do with the colour of grass.
I'm not saying things are perfect at Netjets. Like anywhere else there are things that I do like about it and some I don't but I'd much rather try to work at changing things from the inside than whinge and bitch but do nothing.
If it doesn't pay off I'll move on but at least I'll have made the effort.
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As an airline pilot, I find this discussion interesting, but it's hard to equate it without knowing what Netjet crews do get paid.
Could someone give me ball park figures.
All operations have 'incidents', but I am surprised at the amateurish nature of some of the incidents mentioned. Assuming they have truth to them, they suggest a lower standard then I would have expected.
Could someone give me ball park figures.
All operations have 'incidents', but I am surprised at the amateurish nature of some of the incidents mentioned. Assuming they have truth to them, they suggest a lower standard then I would have expected.
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What about the people who have applied and meet the NJE experience requirements (more than 10 times over in some cases) and never been given a response? Forget the interview.
This of course is an indication of the type of outfit they are and how they treat their personal. Everything I have read on this and other threads about NJ has supported my view.
A decent company will always respond to an applicant (ppl's included) unless stipulated in the recruitment advert eg. only shortlisted candidates will be contacted.
I suspect most applications are electronic, this day and age. To reply, is quiet simple really. 2 clicks. Reply and send.
What about the people who have applied and meet the NJE experience requirements (more than 10 times over in some cases) and never been given a response? Forget the interview.
This of course is an indication of the type of outfit they are and how they treat their personal. Everything I have read on this and other threads about NJ has supported my view.
A decent company will always respond to an applicant (ppl's included) unless stipulated in the recruitment advert eg. only shortlisted candidates will be contacted.
I suspect most applications are electronic, this day and age. To reply, is quiet simple really. 2 clicks. Reply and send.
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NJE did respond to me but to tell me they would take aboard each applicant if they could but that the airline business was very selective on skills and experience...NO ****
I more than met their requirements eventhough I have no jet time but multi turbop...maybe thats why they at least wrote me back..
I believe the market is awful at the moment and airlines which dont answer Resumes will have to bite teir own ass when the big pilots shortage comes along.
I cant wait to write back a Thank you but no thank you letter to airlines that call me a year later for an interview..
A part from that Corporate is hard to get in..no doubt..I know of someone whos been an AIR Tours F/O on the 757 for years and who decided to fly a G5 as Captain in the middle East....go figure..
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I more than met their requirements eventhough I have no jet time but multi turbop...maybe thats why they at least wrote me back..
I believe the market is awful at the moment and airlines which dont answer Resumes will have to bite teir own ass when the big pilots shortage comes along.
I cant wait to write back a Thank you but no thank you letter to airlines that call me a year later for an interview..
A part from that Corporate is hard to get in..no doubt..I know of someone whos been an AIR Tours F/O on the 757 for years and who decided to fly a G5 as Captain in the middle East....go figure..
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Well NJE "heavy weights"??
Still waiting for a response.
You guys are very quick off the mark to respond to other guy's posts who attack your beloved NJE.
Not so easy to defend the indefensible/inexcusable, is it.
I rest my case.
Still waiting for a response.
You guys are very quick off the mark to respond to other guy's posts who attack your beloved NJE.
Not so easy to defend the indefensible/inexcusable, is it.
I rest my case.
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No, I don't think I am being ridiculous.
Just interested to find out why, NJE fail to respond to legitimate pilot applications. Nothing wrong with that is there??
Since the beginning of this year have failed to extract an sensible response to this issue.
Like to keep this topic going from time to time, to counter the great things that are spun about this outfit.
Just interested to find out why, NJE fail to respond to legitimate pilot applications. Nothing wrong with that is there??
Since the beginning of this year have failed to extract an sensible response to this issue.
Like to keep this topic going from time to time, to counter the great things that are spun about this outfit.
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When NJE puts an add in flight they select as the letters come in. they dont wayt for all 6000 responces to arrive, yes 6000 on average, the rest they select and the ones that qualify get put on file and if not needed destroyed after 6 months, so in order to qualify you dont need 10 times the required hours, you just need to be damned fast and apply via fax or email within 12 hours ater publication of the add in flight international
PD.
p.s. there are much more big airlines in europe that dont reply after sending a CV so NJE is certanly not the only one. And do you really expect them to send between 6000-12000 refusal letters a year?????
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p.s. there are much more big airlines in europe that dont reply after sending a CV so NJE is certanly not the only one. And do you really expect them to send between 6000-12000 refusal letters a year?????
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First in first served. Law of the jungle.
and trust me within the first day the still get about 600-700 cv's so there is still plenty to choose from not to many will be hired with 1500/500 minimums
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Pilot Dude,
Is it true that NJE is not too keen to hire pilots with a "lot" of experience, like over 10.000 hrs? I hear that they prefer pilots with much lower experience level to "form" them more easily.
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Is it true that NJE is not too keen to hire pilots with a "lot" of experience, like over 10.000 hrs? I hear that they prefer pilots with much lower experience level to "form" them more easily.
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Well NJE's main concern is that pilot's that have a strong "airline" backgrond have problems fitting in in an organisation where you have a second job next to being pilot and that is beeing "caretaker" of their VVIP pasenger which in the eyes of the passenger is actually more important than safe flying (not saying that safe flying is not a concern of NJE because it is)
remember one accident with NJ in general (not just europe) will cost them customers.
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remember one accident with NJ in general (not just europe) will cost them customers.
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Well NJE's main concern is that pilot's that have a strong "airline" backgrond have problems fitting in in an organisation where you have a second job next to being pilot and that is beeing "caretaker" of their VVIP pasenger which in the eyes of the passenger is actually more important than safe flying (not saying that safe flying is not a concern of NJE because it is)
Airlines have their problems but the ones I have worked for had training and safety attitudes light years ahead of my 'corporate experience', basically it was GASH!!
