Netjets claim to have the BEST pilots!!
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I think if you have a loyal group of pilots they should be looked after. Decent pay.
I've seen it time and again. If they not looked after, then when the market picks up, as it surely will, there will be a mass exodus of pilots. Then in reality that company will just be a training school for companies who are prepared to treat pilots better.
It must be remembered the pilots apart from the aircraft, are a company's greatest asset.
I've seen it time and again. If they not looked after, then when the market picks up, as it surely will, there will be a mass exodus of pilots. Then in reality that company will just be a training school for companies who are prepared to treat pilots better.
It must be remembered the pilots apart from the aircraft, are a company's greatest asset.
Money is but one variable in the equation - and not necessarily the the most important one either (see Maslow).
A lot if us are happy working for slightly (!!) less where we get a reliable roster, where we work strictly under Part 135 rules, where we dont fly under-maintained aircraft, where we are under no pressure to do anything we feel is unsafe and finally where we feel there is some job security.
I know of a crew on approx. USD264K (tax free and thats not counting per diems and tips) who have done ( and presumably still do) 27 stick hours in a 42 hour duty period - and thats a 2 crew operation. When they go on a trip, they dont know know whether it is for 5 days or 3 months. Apart from their annual vacation, they are on standby 24/7.
Is this safe?, is this proffesional? are they happy on the big bucks?...(clue...: .. same answer to all 3 questions).
And guess what?...the aviation manager is not a pilot.
In this light, peanuts seem a pretty generous emolument don't you think?
In the meantime, I keep looking for that perfect job on $300K where I get to tell the boss when I fell like going flying, where we should go and how much fuel I want to land with...ahhh nirvana!.
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Back to the experience issue. : Shortly after my last post, I noticed a poster in Basle which stated :
"Good Judgement comes from Experience; Experience comes from Bad Judgement".
The logic is both glib and amusing. Well at least I got a laugh out of it.!
A lot if us are happy working for slightly (!!) less where we get a reliable roster, where we work strictly under Part 135 rules, where we dont fly under-maintained aircraft, where we are under no pressure to do anything we feel is unsafe and finally where we feel there is some job security.
I know of a crew on approx. USD264K (tax free and thats not counting per diems and tips) who have done ( and presumably still do) 27 stick hours in a 42 hour duty period - and thats a 2 crew operation. When they go on a trip, they dont know know whether it is for 5 days or 3 months. Apart from their annual vacation, they are on standby 24/7.
Is this safe?, is this proffesional? are they happy on the big bucks?...(clue...: .. same answer to all 3 questions).
And guess what?...the aviation manager is not a pilot.
In this light, peanuts seem a pretty generous emolument don't you think?
In the meantime, I keep looking for that perfect job on $300K where I get to tell the boss when I fell like going flying, where we should go and how much fuel I want to land with...ahhh nirvana!.
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Back to the experience issue. : Shortly after my last post, I noticed a poster in Basle which stated :
"Good Judgement comes from Experience; Experience comes from Bad Judgement".
The logic is both glib and amusing. Well at least I got a laugh out of it.!
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Well, according to their own PR...."it's a tsunami out there" . People are falling over themselves to take up netjets shares......they're apparently within a year of breaking into profit.
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I just hope Netjets don't treat their fractional customers with the same disdain they treat their pilot applicants with. They preach respect and courtesy at their open days but wouldn't know it if they choked on it.
For all their power and wealth, they can't even set up an autoresponder to acknowledge receipt of a CV....only company I've ever dealt with that totally ignores its potential employees.
FlexJet management are lightyears ahead of these guys.
For all their power and wealth, they can't even set up an autoresponder to acknowledge receipt of a CV....only company I've ever dealt with that totally ignores its potential employees.
FlexJet management are lightyears ahead of these guys.
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When I grow up I want to be a Netjets pilot...
Well sorry guys, but I'm going to have to step in here!
I'm 35 years old have 8,900 hours, seven type ratings, two degrees am licenced in Australia, New Zealand and the United States. I can work anywhere in the world with three different passports.
I choose to fly for Netjets here in the United States of America.
We have more Air Force One pilots than any airline. We have the equivalent of squadrons filled with combat experienced fighter and heavy-bomber pilots, who are quite often called back to reserve duty. Guys, I hate to rain on your already rainy day, but, Netjets does employ the best pilots in the world.
We have over 430 jets that go to more than 150 countries a year. With over 5,000 airports in the United States alone, yes, there will be the odd problem with lack of local familiarity.
I like to fly modern, clean, well-equipped aircraft that have good factory support. I enjoy having the strength of good financial backing and the security of my job. I like having time off with my family.
Netjets doesn't payroll deduct my uniform, payroll deduct my health insurance and still pays me a meal allowance when I am on the road and being served restaraunt quality catering. I have a good retirement and a friendly management that offers a good sick leave policy and flexibility in scheduling.
Ladies and Gentlemen, these are the facts!
I hope you all find the happiness in your personal and professional lives that I have found.
My last job before corporate was teaching the Boeing 757/767. I have friends calling me weekly asking for assistance in getting onto Netjets.
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God help us?
Well, all I can say is that it's great we all have our point of view.
Last time everyone agreed and thought it was a good idea was Nazi Germany. History shows us that is a bad idea in itself!
No we don't have hard points on the Hawkers, but if you don't believe the Americans teach their fighter pilots well, go take a survey in Iraq.
Anyway, I'm originally from the outback and flew Cessna 210s before I came Stateside in 1990.
We have a good mix of civillian/military/instructor/airline pilots that all seem to put the wheels and flaps down the same way we are all trained to do.
I am not here to suggest that every system is perfect and we know that pilots by nature are individuals. I don't think that it's possible to make a perfect cookie-cutter cockpit crew. I have been in this game since 1983 and this is by far the best company I've worked for...and yes that includes my stint at the airlines.
Last time everyone agreed and thought it was a good idea was Nazi Germany. History shows us that is a bad idea in itself!
No we don't have hard points on the Hawkers, but if you don't believe the Americans teach their fighter pilots well, go take a survey in Iraq.
Anyway, I'm originally from the outback and flew Cessna 210s before I came Stateside in 1990.
We have a good mix of civillian/military/instructor/airline pilots that all seem to put the wheels and flaps down the same way we are all trained to do.
I am not here to suggest that every system is perfect and we know that pilots by nature are individuals. I don't think that it's possible to make a perfect cookie-cutter cockpit crew. I have been in this game since 1983 and this is by far the best company I've worked for...and yes that includes my stint at the airlines.
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All joking beside, like happyjack says European Netjets are maybe runned differently. Seems to have a lot of unhappy campers in.
What comes for airforce records, US airforce had no resistance whatsoever from Iraqi airforce. History don't so US airforce aces with large victory accounts like in Europe. I think that the best records are with little Finnish airforce per pilot/victories. Maybe can't compare todays US airforce but in my experience airforce flying do not prepare pilot very well for bizjets, you must agree.
Enjoy your life with Netjets! Good to hear also from happy pilot view!
Blues
What comes for airforce records, US airforce had no resistance whatsoever from Iraqi airforce. History don't so US airforce aces with large victory accounts like in Europe. I think that the best records are with little Finnish airforce per pilot/victories. Maybe can't compare todays US airforce but in my experience airforce flying do not prepare pilot very well for bizjets, you must agree.
Enjoy your life with Netjets! Good to hear also from happy pilot view!
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Whilest I do believe Chris Higgins is correct in what he says about Netjets,U.S.A ,believe me, I can also confirm that this does not apply to Netjets,Europe. The Companies share the same name only & there it stops!!!
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We are getting a little off track here....
I am not here to defend or offend anyone about US Foreign Policy.
I am a civillian pilot flying for the best employer in the world. I am proud to serve in that capacity with a broad spectrum of pilots from varying backgrounds.
If you want to fly for a growing industry, the fractional industry is where it is at. Flexjet is the only segment of the American market that is not growing.
I chose to fly corporate for the variety of destinations and the close contact with high quality clientele. My desire for a stable paycheck surpasses my desire to fly a large heavy jet. I am happiest going to Barbados, Bermuda or Aspen with the great crew I fly with and a happy customer in the back.
Perhaps if I had stayed in Australia I would have flown the FA-18 or gone to Qantas. I have no regrets coming to America and the Americans have been more than generous with me. I am grateful for their hospitality. I am also grateful that their ancestors helped save Australia from Japanese invasion, just as they freed all of Europe from the tyranny of Nazism.
Just my opinion, but then who cares?
It's easy to criticize the failings of others. It's also pointless.
I am a civillian pilot flying for the best employer in the world. I am proud to serve in that capacity with a broad spectrum of pilots from varying backgrounds.
If you want to fly for a growing industry, the fractional industry is where it is at. Flexjet is the only segment of the American market that is not growing.
I chose to fly corporate for the variety of destinations and the close contact with high quality clientele. My desire for a stable paycheck surpasses my desire to fly a large heavy jet. I am happiest going to Barbados, Bermuda or Aspen with the great crew I fly with and a happy customer in the back.
Perhaps if I had stayed in Australia I would have flown the FA-18 or gone to Qantas. I have no regrets coming to America and the Americans have been more than generous with me. I am grateful for their hospitality. I am also grateful that their ancestors helped save Australia from Japanese invasion, just as they freed all of Europe from the tyranny of Nazism.
Just my opinion, but then who cares?
It's easy to criticize the failings of others. It's also pointless.
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Chris Higgins,
How can you possibly know that you are working for the best employer in the world?!
You demonstrate against your own arguments. Flexjet does not make a profit in Europe either,NOR does Netjets!
Sorry to tell you,but regarding Netjets, USA & Netjets, Europe- It is all Chalk & Cheese!
The Reasons:- 2 very different local management set-ups & 2 very different business cultures. The latter,I believe,may not be an insurmountable problem. The former.....Oh Dear!
How can you possibly know that you are working for the best employer in the world?!
You demonstrate against your own arguments. Flexjet does not make a profit in Europe either,NOR does Netjets!
Sorry to tell you,but regarding Netjets, USA & Netjets, Europe- It is all Chalk & Cheese!
The Reasons:- 2 very different local management set-ups & 2 very different business cultures. The latter,I believe,may not be an insurmountable problem. The former.....Oh Dear!