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Noyade 17th Sep 2023 07:50

Only 15 built.

Asturias56 17th Sep 2023 15:38

French?

Noyade 18th Sep 2023 08:15

Not French.
The pilot is Chris Staniland...

Asturias56 18th Sep 2023 11:47

Fairey's famous test pilot!!!

Not sure its one of their aircraft tho


meleagertoo 18th Sep 2023 11:53

Fairey Hendon.

Noyade 18th Sep 2023 21:56

The Hendon it is. Most likely K1695.
Mel takes the helm.

meleagertoo 20th Sep 2023 12:46

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bd4dbb54c2.png

Asturias56 20th Sep 2023 15:38

ASI up to 650 kt/mph - and gauge centre left bottom has two temperature(?) gauges, also four large FIRE buttons in left & right groups.

I'd guess an early jet,with twin engines?

Guide in English but that may be a red herring................................. tho the large FIRE buttons indicates English-speaking is probably correct

why would you want an accelerometer? Looks like it was scabbed on later right in the pilot's view so obviously critical at some point - maybe a LOW powered jet aircraft?

Asturias56 20th Sep 2023 15:48

not much in the way of avionics or radar that I can see - might be a research aircraft or a light transport?

SLXOwft 20th Sep 2023 21:12

I think an early USN jet - the silhouette on the blanked out HI/DI would be a dead giveaway if I'm right. 2 x tachometers/rev counters suggests a twin.

bafanguy 20th Sep 2023 22:25

So in the bottom left corner of the pic, there's something identified as a "cabin pressure [altitude ?] indicator" ? So it had a pressurization system ?

Asturias56 21st Sep 2023 06:42

Softening luxury for those American fly-boys! Why USN SLXOwft?

They did have quite a few early jets - and a twin would make sense off carriers I guess..............................

BEagle 21st Sep 2023 08:32

Indeed a 'gutless' US Navy jet. Weird looking thing....

curt2401 21st Sep 2023 08:37

Is it French?

Asturias56 21st Sep 2023 08:55

can't see any weapons selection - so either its weaponless or the switches are on the side wall or stick - need another image?

BSD 21st Sep 2023 09:18

Hang about:

I'll bet it rhymes with "gutless" and came from a company who made aeroplanes with cranked-wings....

I haven't got a cockpit post to hand (should my guess be on the money) so I'll leave it to someone who has.



meleagertoo 21st Sep 2023 10:34

How close Asturias was in his first post with "low powered - early twin - pilot's view critical"
It's clear that Beags got there first though.
So, who's going to name it then?

SLXOwft 21st Sep 2023 10:50


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11506324)
Softening luxury for those American fly-boys! Why USN SLXOwft?

They did have quite a few early jets - and a twin would make sense off carriers I guess..............................

The simplicity suggested a timeframe, its clearly a single seated or tandem - its a twin and not a UK one. The USAF ones I could think of were single engined so that led to the USN - so I trawled through pictures of various USN cockpits.

I think it's a Vought F7U Cutlass - if I'm right can I declare open house as all my relevant offline resources are boxed up due to redecoration in progress.

meleagertoo 21st Sep 2023 11:07

Here are the missing controls and panels.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c0e8ca7874.png

BEagle 21st Sep 2023 13:14

As it's OH following correct identification of the Vought Cutlass, here's another challenge:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e89ac3cf3c.jpg

Asturias56 21st Sep 2023 13:45


Originally Posted by SLXOwft (Post 11506477)
The simplicity suggested a timeframe, its clearly a single seated or tandem - its a twin and not a UK one. The USAF ones I could think of were single engined so that led to the USN - so I trawled through pictures of various USN cockpits.

I think it's a Vought F7U Cutlass - if I'm right can I declare open house as all my relevant offline resources are boxed up due to redecoration in progress.

thanks for explaining the logic - it really helps for next time - and I think you're right...................... the earlier Cutlasses were notoriously under powered.

My logic took me so far but then down a rabbit hole - I couldn't see anything especially "military" about it

Asturias56 21st Sep 2023 13:47

"How close Asturias was in his first post with "low powered - early twin - pilot's view critical""

Closer than I knew!! :ouch: but top rate jet fighter (!!!) wasn't on my mental horizon................. I was intrigued by that obviously after -the-fact addition of the accelerometer.. didn't look good.................

meleagertoo 21st Sep 2023 13:53

On a point of order: as the original poster of this challenge I can now declare that SLXOwft is correct and it is indeed the awful Gutless Cutlass.

As he has indicated he is unable to post a challenge it's Open House...


Asturias56 21st Sep 2023 13:55

As to the new challenge -

Let us cast the runes.......


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e221db711f.jpg


that's a BUCKET load of avionics - looks like it's side by side seating - late 50's to mid 70's.

Something like the A6 Intruder

Noyade 21st Sep 2023 14:14

Douglas F3D Skynight.

BEagle 22nd Sep 2023 07:21

Noyade has it! Yes, it was indeed the Douglas Skyknight:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....21ae55a79c.jpg

You have control, Noyade!

Noyade 22nd Sep 2023 23:29

Cheers BEagle!


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fbf9b4d58e.jpg

meleagertoo 23rd Sep 2023 12:04

Supercharged single piston, no blind flying instruments - possibly a racing machine?

Wooden fuselage

The high range of the RPM gauge suggests an inline engine rather than a radial, as does the non-rounded fuselage shape.

Thus almost certainly USA

Early/mid 1930s?

Asturias56 23rd Sep 2023 17:00

gauges look a bit swish for the 30's maybe 50's?

I like the quality electrical connection just under the panel.

dixi188 23rd Sep 2023 19:05

Those look like AMP knife edge connectors to me.

sycamore 23rd Sep 2023 20:50

Was it a `Thompson Trophy` racer in 1938-39...?

Mel,steel tubes near floor ,and panels appear to be rivetted,or nailed....
When I raced in `F1`we ran Continentals up to 4000rpm.....`custom` tweaked props....

Noyade 23rd Sep 2023 21:43

Radial engine.
Steel tube construction.
Not from the US of A.
Not a racer. Typical operating speed - around 111mph.
Not many built.



https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bd4905c424.jpg

Noyade 23rd Sep 2023 21:53


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11507794)
maybe 50's?.

Yes. :)

meleagertoo 24th Sep 2023 10:41

Well, I got that all wrong ten!

Agricultural/crop sprayer?

Asturias56 24th Sep 2023 11:25

Not from the USA but not a "continental" 7 on the diagrams.........

Canadian?

kenparry 24th Sep 2023 11:45

The turn and slip looks rather British

sycamore 24th Sep 2023 11:52

Even if it works `upside down....`

meleagertoo 24th Sep 2023 18:41

As I suggested then.

CAC Ceres.

Noyade 24th Sep 2023 20:40


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11508366)
CAC Ceres.

:ok:
Over to you, Mel.

https://www.goodall.com.au/australia...eres/ceres.htm

meleagertoo 25th Sep 2023 18:58

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....52e1eeb710.png


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