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asw28-866 12th Aug 2023 16:58

It is European

asw28-866 12th Aug 2023 23:55

Subject type originated from a design competition for a competition design!

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....80e65ccab3.jpg

asw28-866 13th Aug 2023 00:27

On closer inspection, it would appear that canopy hinging (left or right) varied between specific aircraft...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1d475130ae.jpg

Noyade 13th Aug 2023 01:26

Possibly the Beta? Dunno which version.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....361660b0ca.jpg

asw28-866 13th Aug 2023 06:13

Noyade has it with the Rollason Beta, as only four were factory built, and modified post manufacture, I think the difference between B.1, B.2 and B.2a is mute! My late father campaigned with a Beta Formula One air racing for a time in the mid-70's, resulting in many days staring at the sky on a pylon, watching for cut corners!

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....14babfd730.jpg
Noyade has control.

Noyade 13th Aug 2023 07:52

Thanks asw28-866.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3403107d45.png

Asturias56 13th Aug 2023 08:16

interesting cockpit

American?

Noyade 13th Aug 2023 08:26

Indeed it is.

Asturias56 13th Aug 2023 09:01

looks like passenger windows below and behind cockpit - I have a feeling we've seen this before in another thread/challenge

POBJOY 13th Aug 2023 20:19

Beta variations
 

Originally Posted by asw28-866 (Post 11483803)
Noyade has it with the Rollason Beta, as only four were factory built, and modified post manufacture, I think the difference between B.1, B.2 and B.2a is mute! My late father campaigned with a Beta Formula One air racing for a time in the mid-70's, resulting in many days staring at the sky on a pylon, watching for cut corners!

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....14babfd730.jpg
Noyade has control.

Indeed the Beta started out with a much smaller engine and Jodel type undercarriage,(but ended up with a sprung type as shown). They all ended up with a C90/0200 sans electrics, and with very basic instrumentation plus hand starting, and were a 200mph fun racing machine with wings designed to be detached for trailer transport. Tweaks were sometimes usually of a 'power nature' no fuel pump, balancing, metal props, remove air filter for race, plus tape gap sealing. A beautiful machine that was alas rather difficult to 'home build' due its curved ply skin, and minimal weight. On the plus side they flew as well as they looked and were wonderful for the 'breakfast patrols' of the time, as even if you were spotted they could never catch you just before you crossed the field at low level for a twinkle roll and free breakfast, imagine that today !!!

Noyade 13th Aug 2023 23:38


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11483878)
looks like passenger windows below and behind cockpit - I have a feeling we've seen this before in another thread/challenge

First time I've posted this machine A56 - as far as I know. 'Advanced' Search...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1d2902d0bb.png

Photo is from the net.
Yes - passengers, seen congregated around the aircraft sipping pre-flight drinks. :)


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....45267af440.png


Asturias56 14th Aug 2023 09:44

Beer drinkers? In AMERICA between the wars - I thought there was Prohibition? :eek:

Asturias56 14th Aug 2023 09:53

Some of the US Airmail aircraft had cockpits like that but I can't see any passenger space

Noyade 15th Aug 2023 05:49

Probably celebrating the end of prohibition.
Wiki calls it an "Amphibious Airliner."

meleagertoo 15th Aug 2023 11:43

It's a Loening C2 Air Yacht.
Not to be confused with a Phutney-Creech Land Yacht, though nearly aw wacky!


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9ea323e638.png

Noyade 16th Aug 2023 06:58

Mel has it. :ok:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....23cfdf39ca.jpg

meleagertoo 19th Aug 2023 12:22

This one won't last long.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bab32ba0fd.png

OUAQUKGF Ops 19th Aug 2023 16:25

This reminds me I must book an appointment with my optician.

Asturias56 19th Aug 2023 20:50

appears to have 4 engines......................

sycamore 19th Aug 2023 21:37

Did it go into `service,or is it a `test/experimental a/c...?

meleagertoo 20th Aug 2023 11:39

It went into service allright, though this pic is a prototype.

sycamore 20th Aug 2023 12:03

Was it a large hovercraft...?

thnarg 20th Aug 2023 12:21

Concorde prototype?

meleagertoo 21st Aug 2023 10:31

'nuff said!

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....adbf139147.png

thnarg 21st Aug 2023 11:17

Thanks mel. The fire panel and those 1960s-recording-studio dials were a clue.

A quickie with two possible answers…

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b6aeaa1a1.jpeg

Noyade 24th Aug 2023 07:11

The big-wheeled H.P. 42?


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....05d98fe3d2.jpg

thnarg 24th Aug 2023 09:47

Forgot this was still running! Yes, HP42 or maybe a short haul HP45. There’s that lovely Shell film about ops at Croydon on the youtubes which suggests the “Handley Page Forty Two Seater” had some sort of APU for starting. It also shows how to service a Bristol Jupiter with mallets.

I would have loved to have flown those obsolescent beauties in my career. But of course there has to be a line in the sand…

All yours Noyade, no doubt with something far more obscure.

Noyade 25th Aug 2023 01:03

Thanks thnarg. Unfortunately I only have an exterior shot.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....36ebc553d7.jpg

Asturias56 25th Aug 2023 07:08

european?

thnarg 25th Aug 2023 13:33

Junkers?

Noyade 25th Aug 2023 22:05


Originally Posted by thnarg (Post 11491339)
Junkers?


:)



https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....238d300bba.jpg

Noyade 29th Aug 2023 23:38

Must be time to end this one and make it Open House.

The Junkers K 16.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_K_16


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2fab742c56.jpg


Asturias56 30th Aug 2023 10:46

Not one I'd ever seen before ..................... looks very uncomfortable to fly

I see it has an "L" registration - was that a Czech aircraft (L-B***) in pre-1928 numbering???

here's an odd one for OH

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....da773f02eb.jpg



Asturias56 3rd Sep 2023 08:03

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....11da22d4ea.jpg



thnarg 3rd Sep 2023 17:21

It is an odd one. No horizon so VFR only. The chaps’ clothes, briefcases and the plastic trim look early 1960s?
Does that decal say “Set Take-off Weight Opposite Operating Altitude”? Huh? American?

Asturias56 4th Sep 2023 07:20

Yes American - but earlier than 1960

The pictures are all a bit Film Noir - they were trying to push it as a business machine. It sold in (relatively) small numbers

I can't make out the exact wording of the decal

D26 4th Sep 2023 07:36

The airspeed indicator starts at 10 MPH/KTS, it must be a helicopter. Also dual rev indicators and a hydraulic press gauge. My guess is Cessna's only helicopter, the CH-1 Skyhook.

Asturias56 4th Sep 2023 07:58

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9645d1eaad.jpg

thnarg 4th Sep 2023 08:17

Well done D26, just seen all about it on the youtubes. Basically a 150 with a wobbly wing and yet another aircraft you’d never get me up in.

Asturias56 4th Sep 2023 12:25

Oddly the ONLY helicopter that Cessna ever built - they made about a 100 I think , most of which went to the military -. It broke several height records in its time

Looks a bit more luxurious than any Cessna 150 or 172 I ever flew in.

over to D26!!


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ab2fe93ed5.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....23937e55e4.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....12c0f6f62d.jpg



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