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TCU 24th Jun 2023 20:05

Well done D26, over to you.

It is the P166S....this particular image of SAAF Albatross 896 which can be seen at the SAAF Museum, Ysterplaat, Cape Town

D26 24th Jun 2023 20:54

Thanks TCU. When it became clear that it was not US or UK, I went to look for a medium sized piston twin. Not results on Canadian, French, Spanish, Swedish aircraft.
Then I discovered Piaggo from Italy.
I also went for the DECCA moving map which is visible just in front of the trottle quadrant, however without map here. No results from there.

Open House please.

meleagertoo 27th Jun 2023 12:22

This won't last long.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0d9438a815.png

D26 28th Jun 2023 18:27

I say, it's an Armstrong Whitworth Albemarle, A.W. 41

meleagertoo 28th Jun 2023 19:11

And sady I have to wait a day to comment!Impressive ident though!

meleagertoo 3rd Jul 2023 13:20

Oops! DA26 hs the challenge. Over to you!

D26 3rd Jul 2023 15:26

Thanks meleagertoo!
From the picture, I thought it was British and I started from there. Another clue was the lever inside the control wheel which activated the air operated wheel brakes.
Open house please!

TCU 3rd Jul 2023 19:34

Here goes:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3091ac0cf.jpeg

BSD 4th Jul 2023 07:46

Hmmmm. Wheel lock? That makes it a Tail wheel. All those engine controls, ignition switch, carbon heat etc., has to make it a big piston, probably a radial. I'm thinking some sort of large ag-plane, Thrush, Snow or similar. Racking my brains to remember what's in (TCU's) favourite hunting ground - the wonderful SAAF museum at Ysterplaat but can't recall any such type.

Must try harder!

BSD.

sycamore 4th Jul 2023 08:22

...pr maybe a Helio Courier,as I believe you could unlock the mains for X-winds...?

TCU 4th Jul 2023 11:55

BSD and sycamore, as within 24hrs, all I shall note is that I have attempted to shake off my Ysterplaat predictability by venturing a little further up the N2 for this cockpit.







meleagertoo 4th Jul 2023 12:29

Sycamore's on the right lines.
It's the Aermacchi AM.3CM Bosbok

TCU 5th Jul 2023 11:41

meleagertoo...sorry for the delay in confirming your correct analysis. Indeed the splendid Bosbok, one of which is based and very much active, at my local airfield, Stellenbosch. All yours Sir.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f24f5590d.jpeg\


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....675f2ebc4.jpeg




meleagertoo 6th Jul 2023 14:36

The Bosbok looks a very capable machine, not come across it before.

Anyhow, here's the next easy one.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....293839dea6.png

D26 7th Jul 2023 18:26

Not so easy as you say. Most likely an early Sperry autopilot installed in a Douglas C-47 Dakota. However, I am irritated by the shape of the handles of the engine levers, angular instead of round.

meleagertoo 7th Jul 2023 20:34

Here's a more generous view. A little later than the DC3 and shares an unusual characteristic with one of UK's iconic twins - and for the same reason.
Made in considerable numbers it played a significant and vital role in WW2. Sadly this unsung, doughty and impressive craft is represented today by just one single complete example.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2c080eca0b.png

ea200 7th Jul 2023 21:12

Beechcraft AT-10?

meleagertoo 8th Jul 2023 18:12

And so it is.

All yours.

ea200 8th Jul 2023 19:05

Thanks Mel. Your last clue made me think immediately of the 'Wooden Wonder'.

Here's a type I haven't flown for a long time.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....47d3a6bf71.jpg

D26 9th Jul 2023 06:58

My guess is, the cockpit of a Rollason Condor (Druine)?

ea200 9th Jul 2023 20:37

Well done D26, it is indeed a Rollason D62 Condor. Over to you.

D26 9th Jul 2023 21:06

Thanks very much. In this case:

Open house please!

dixi188 15th Jul 2023 10:27

Another 4 Engined aircraft.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....07c4aabc23.jpg
Sorry about the quality, it was scanned from an old book.

Asturias56 15th Jul 2023 12:21

Airliner?

D26 15th Jul 2023 14:46

Would that be a Handley Page Hermes?

Asturias56 15th Jul 2023 15:46

Looks like it :ok:

D26 15th Jul 2023 18:00

Let's sleep over it :ok:

thnarg 15th Jul 2023 19:01

And here it is in Handley Page green, which many of us are grateful was not used in the Herald…

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0b9f27013.jpeg
Good night everyone.

dixi188 16th Jul 2023 10:33

I didn't think it would take long.
D26 has it.

D26 16th Jul 2023 11:23

Thank you!
Open house, gentlemen!

Noyade 18th Jul 2023 09:16

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1e8089ccb8.jpg

thnarg 18th Jul 2023 10:20

Yes that’s technically a view of a cockpit! Biplane floatplane?

Noyade 18th Jul 2023 20:40

Yes, biplane floatplane.
There is a Canadian connection.

meleagertoo 19th Jul 2023 12:21

My goodness, Canadian Vickers built some absolute mingers! This has a considerable family resemblance to the hideous Vanessa and Velos but it isn't either of those.

thnarg 19th Jul 2023 12:57

“… a Canadian connection”. So is it Canadian, or maybe American and flew up to the GWN? Or built somewhere else by an expat Canadian? Did it run on maple syrup?

And what are those little roof rails for?

thnarg 19th Jul 2023 13:27

Ah, I found it and it’s American but built for the Canadians. Still can’t work out what those rails are for though…

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c5648712d.jpeg

meleagertoo 19th Jul 2023 19:42

Mmm. It seems the minging Canadian style spread to the USA too. I wonder if Orville hung his head in shame, being associated - even so remotely - with that excrescence? Rails...Extended pitot heads to get beyond the spray of take off? That said, I have little belief they though tin terms of of twin altimeters then so probably not. Rigging for mosquito nets for the Canadian summer then? Or just to get accurate pressure readings ahead of the not inconsiderable bow-wave of that grotesque aerial whale?

Noyade 19th Jul 2023 22:44

Rumbled by two very clever PPRuNers. :)
But I would like a Manufacturer and Designation please - to complete the paperwork.

In the meantime - internal shot....


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b4d0730ed0.jpg

Noyade 19th Jul 2023 22:50


Originally Posted by thnarg (Post 11470173)
Ah, I found it and it’s American but built for the Canadians. Still can’t work out what those rails are for though…

Munson talks about the 'mystery' machine carrying canoes - plural.
I wonder if one was carried inverted on that crude looking roof rack? With the x-wire bracing preventing it sitting further back?
If so, it probably improved aerodynamics. :)


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0e558cf1d5.jpg





thnarg 20th Jul 2023 07:32

Dayton-Wright FP.2 should complete the paperwork for you, seen here in its pusher config…

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2e5eada6b.jpeg
… and that canoe rack theory does make sense Noyade. It could also support a tarp or insect net after a hard day’s work counting trees.

And I don’t think it’s minging at all, mel!


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