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meleagertoo 28th May 2023 22:42

Switch panel appears labelled in Dutch (or Flemish) doubtful German.
Piston engine watercooled and probably supercharged due boost gauge.
VSI and turn and slip so it was intended to fly. But why/how those yet no altimerter or ASI unless it wasn't expected to move fast or much off the ground yet vertical speed was important?
Two very prominent Air Pressure gauges, clearly of importance. Very odd.

I've been thinking tipjet helicopter but no rotor RPM gauge. Autogyro needs one too (plus an ASI)
FAKKEL is Dutch & German for torch (igniter? flare?) but appears to be associated with cb's , not a switch.
H-SHAK means H-check in Dutch and German.
The rotary switch labelled AAN UIT INEN means on, off, in in Dutch, meaningless in German.
Structure is very lightweight and insubstantial.

Good challenge!

Self loading bear 29th May 2023 09:15

Mel
Your Dutch could all be Finnish to me!

meleagertoo 29th May 2023 12:04

Well well!
While FAKKEL also means 'torch' in Finnish google says AAN UIT INEN means 'Im swimming' - and of the individual words; AAN = I will, UIT = swimming and INEN is not a Finnish word.

Swimming implies a water-fowl so we arrive at the Eklund TE-1 flying boat, except it isn't that.

rixt 29th May 2023 12:37


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11442400)
Swimming implies a water-fowl so we arrive at the Eklund TE-1 flying boat, except it isn't that.

You assume right, it is not the Eklund TE-1 flying boat.

Self loading bear 29th May 2023 14:46

Mel I am sorry you picked up my clue so literally.
It is indeed Dutch on the dashboard.
Fakkel is torch but could refer to a signal torchlight.
H-Schak. Is probably abbreviated Hoofdschakelaar so Main switch
SEINKNOP NAV. means signal switch/button navigation (or navigator) (yes two seater)
AAN = on (probably continuously)
UIT = off
The word ..INEN is partially covered by the switch knob and is SEINEN = signaling.
the 2 breakers are probably 2 small push buttons signal intermittently.
I have not yet found a photo of the Finnish version of the same cockpit.
There are however photos of same type Dutch cockpits with Air Speed indicator and Altitude meter. So just a proper airplane.

meleagertoo 29th May 2023 23:05

Devious little Fokker.
I'll raise you ten.

And still none the wiser re the two air gauges centre-stage. What are they for?

rixt 30th May 2023 07:29


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11442694)
Devious little Fokker.

Your right, a Fokker product.


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11442694)
. What are they for?

It seems this photo was made in de the factory and that they simply fitted a second air speed gauge by mistake or just to have a gauge in instead of an open hole when they made the photo.

sycamore 30th May 2023 07:53

The air /pneumatics are possibly for air -charging the guns,or brakes/flaps,,cheaper and simpler than hydraulics.

D26 30th May 2023 12:56

My guess is the Fokker D 17 prototype with Curtiss Conqueror engine.
On the lower center panel are two air speed indicators, with their pitot heads located at different positions on the air frame. The series aircraft had a different instrument panel.

rixt 30th May 2023 14:56

No, not the D.17.

meleagertoo 30th May 2023 19:47

As I'd already said in #3526 - in which I thought I'd identified it unambiguously enough - so I claim my right to call it a Fokker C.10.
Unless the image appended is incorectly labelled of course.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d3fac410f5.png

Self loading bear 30th May 2023 21:28

Mel,

You forgot to state the C
There have been Fokker types C.X D.X F.X F-10 S.X T.10 and V.10.

meleagertoo 31st May 2023 01:20

Then it was my wrong!

rixt 31st May 2023 08:02


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11443204)
As I'd already said in #3526 - in which I thought I'd identified it unambiguously enough - so I claim my right to call it a Fokker C.10.
Unless the image appended is incorectly labelled of course.


Correct, it is the Fokker C.X!

rixt 31st May 2023 09:04

This photo is of the cockpit of the Fokker C.X replica which was built in the Netherlands. By lack of genuine instruments they used what they had on the shelf. Only the compass and the little box with the 3 lights ( Askania L sig 8-2) are like it should be.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....220d45798d.jpg

meleagertoo 1st Jun 2023 09:13

Open House.

rixt 1st Jun 2023 09:27

Ok, another one from my laptop:
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6081e0a56e.jpg

Asturias56 2nd Jun 2023 07:53

well big comfy seats anyway...................

rixt 5th Jun 2023 08:57

Yes, a difficult one. No one want to make a guess?

D26 6th Jun 2023 20:25

Difoga 421. Bergen op Zoom, The Netherlands.

rixt 7th Jun 2023 08:35

Correct D26!

D26 7th Jun 2023 17:00

Thank you! I thought, because you live in the Netherlands, it could be a type from your country. by the look of the frames, it might be a wooden air frame. The nose wheel is visible and the cockpit low to the ground, it made me think of a pusher single engine aircraft. Not difficult to find in the net.

Open house please.

Noyade 11th Jun 2023 01:37

Another pusher.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1711cd3504.jpg



meleagertoo 11th Jun 2023 14:11

Falcon XP

Noyade 13th Jun 2023 00:09


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11449314)
Falcon XP

:ok:
Over to you Mel.

meleagertoo 14th Jun 2023 14:20

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e3528461ad.png

Noyade 14th Jun 2023 21:39

Bleriot 125.

meleagertoo 16th Jun 2023 09:01

I didn't think that would last long.

Noyade has it.

Noyade 17th Jun 2023 04:43

Cheers.

Another pusher...



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f71a05a5ba.jpg

Noyade 18th Jun 2023 20:30

From Denmark.

TCU 19th Jun 2023 20:00

Is that a canard at the front?

Christensen Opus 3?

Noyade 21st Jun 2023 00:55

Apologies for the late confirmation, TCU - but yes, the Opus it is. :ok:

Over to you.

TCU 21st Jun 2023 08:04

Thank you Noyade
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e44cc64e8.jpeg

India Four Two 21st Jun 2023 08:51

I see "Landing Gear", so American twin?

TCU 21st Jun 2023 14:25

Not American

sycamore 23rd Jun 2023 14:20

Dove/Devon....?

dixi188 23rd Jun 2023 15:27

I'm thinking, British twin, built with the hope of selling to the USA.
Is that a hood over a radar scope on the right?

TCU 23rd Jun 2023 20:23

Not British, but you chaps are getting warmer. Radar very much part of this birds modus operandi


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3fef63c03.jpeg



TCU 24th Jun 2023 09:19

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6c6e4f791.jpeg

D26 24th Jun 2023 13:55

PIAGGO P 166S it is!


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