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meleagertoo 21st Feb 2024 13:08

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....db401cdd93.png
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Asturias56 22nd Feb 2024 06:57

first flight post 1945?

meleagertoo 22nd Feb 2024 09:56

Let's say right about then.

Asturias56 22nd Feb 2024 14:28

American?

thnarg 23rd Feb 2024 04:58

No idea what the aircraft is, but I wonder what that big lever by the F/O’s left knee operates. Something flying boaty or bombery?

meleagertoo 23rd Feb 2024 10:01

Neither floaty nor bombery but it does hail from N America. A bomber version was planned but not built.
As to that lever - who knows?
An oddball though, and the sole example flew commercially for many years. It now rests in restored splendour in a museum.

Asturias56 23rd Feb 2024 13:12

" It now rests in restored splendour in a museum."

thats my aim in life as well...................

burnelli cby-3 loadmaster perhaps?

meleagertoo 24th Feb 2024 10:45

Strewth! I dind't expect...but with Asturias on scene no challenge is safe!
Too unconventional for anyone to dare to build it, but had they done so (or rather, build its predecessor) it is said it would have become one of the greats - perhaps eclisping even the DC3 which it comfortably outperformed. A ton more payload and a 700ft take off run!

India Four Two 24th Feb 2024 11:04

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ead1496ba6.jpg

https://neam.org/pages/restoration-diary-burnelli-cby-3

bafanguy 24th Feb 2024 16:01


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11602615)
As to that lever - who knows?

Total WAG: lock/unlock the tailwheel ?

sycamore 24th Feb 2024 18:23

Emergency hydraulic system handpump...?

Asturias56 25th Feb 2024 08:43

"but with Asturias on scene no challenge is safe!"

It was raining all day, I was doing a computer back up and it doesn't take a long time to work through Wiki's list of First Flights for a single year - especially when you know it's a twin, American & only one built..................... all the Hawkers, FIAT.s MiG's etc can just be ignored................................ and it isn't DC-4 or anything well -known.

And Burnelli is near the top of the list tho I did find it very hard to find a picture of the cockpit!.

Open House I'm afraid - I'm traveling this week

dixi188 25th Feb 2024 09:39


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 11603434)
Emergency hydraulic system handpump...?

Maybe a normal hydraulic pump to raise the landing gear? FO's most important job!.

washoutt 25th Feb 2024 09:59

Did the DC-3 also not had a lever for pumping up the u/g?

MrBernoulli 25th Feb 2024 11:45


Originally Posted by washoutt (Post 11603648)
Did the DC-3 also not had a lever for pumping up the u/g?

It did! As well as the flap and gear selector levers just to the left side of the co-pilots seat, and a gear lock lever on the floor between the pilot seats, there was also a standby hydraulic pump lever, again on the floor. It took considerable effort to operate.

If the use of the hydraulic pump lever was required, emergency or demonstration, we (a certain southern African military operator) found it less fatiguing if the non-flying pilot stood between the pilot seats, bent down and pulled the lever up, then pushed it back to the floor with a foot, bent down again and pulled the lever up etc etc, until the required job was done! Could be sweaty work on a hot day! 😉

Noyade 26th Feb 2024 05:52


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11603618)
Wiki's list of First Flights for a single year

What a fantastic site. Many thanks for that.

Category:Aircraft by year of first flight - Wikipedia


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f2b22cfcb4.jpg


sycamore 26th Feb 2024 15:30

Twin turboprop..?

Asturias56 26th Feb 2024 15:41

Military?

India Four Two 26th Feb 2024 20:55


Emergency hydraulic system handpump...?
sycamore wins the prize. I contacted the New England Air Museum about the CBY-3 cockpit photo.. They confirmed sycamore's guess.

sycamore 26th Feb 2024 22:43

Ref #4094,looks rather `military` with multiple `rad/nav`gear,top left,oxygen ,bottom left,`speed-jeans bottom right?,nicely stacked engine instruments,AI+stby AI,,but no HUD,/Gunsight..Then we have a couple of trimmers for pitch and yaw,(Slightly `old-fashioned),carpets..? on the floor,and seat-pan,does`nt appear to have a recognisable `ejection `seat,and a couple of `grab-handles` on the canopy arch,normally on Naval aircraft,or fighters to assist in looking at `your six`..
Thought it might be an ov-10 or Convair Charger(can`t find pics of that),or a possible T-38/F5 rework for some countries,.Could be a Chinese/Indian/SA/NASA/Rutan experimental...? Can`t read the rudder pedals...?

meleagertoo 27th Feb 2024 10:25

It certainly looks vary similar to the revamped civvy OH10 which was the direction I went in but have drawn a blank now.
Seat recessed for parachute and prop control visible so not a jet as suggested by lack of bang-seat
That would make it a twin turboprop COIN type aircraft w. single or tandem seating à la Pucara/OH10/Charger as suggested unless anyone's developed a high performance twin trainer for some reason. I found a pic of the Charger cockpit and this certainly isn't it - though contemporary.
Penny to a pinch of the proverbial it's a largely forgotten manufacturer's one-off demonstrator and it doesn't look militarily 'aggressive' at all to me.

dixi188 27th Feb 2024 11:27

Looking at the engine instruments, they don't seem to be paired. Would this be some experimental aircraft with two different types of engine? Say, one turboprop and one jet.

Noyade 27th Feb 2024 19:43

Military/civil applications.
Single turboprop.
Not many built.
Above is a two-seat version. The accompanying caption explains the large switches were designed for operation by a pilot wearing pressure suit gloves.

sycamore 27th Feb 2024 21:49

Ahhh,that `Great Grob they use for towing the pressurised gliders to vast heights over the Andes...?

Noyade 28th Feb 2024 07:41

The adjudicators have agreed to hand control to you Sycamore based on your answer above. :ok:


sycamore 28th Feb 2024 12:29

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8940455d76.jpg
Thanks N,sorry ,don`t seem to be able to correct roll....

sycamore 28th Feb 2024 12:42

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7268f0364c.jpg
Ther you are,ball back in middle,+6_-4

meleagertoo 28th Feb 2024 13:57

Nice looking little toy.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....50522b088b.png
PZL M26 Iskierka

sycamore 29th Feb 2024 16:39

Start your engine Mel; you have control.....
I had a 1.5 hr session flying N2610m Airwolf around the Boston(US) area about 20 yrs ago.It was a very neat,well thought out and comfortable aircraft,easy to fly,even if people spoke about it being made from the `Seneca parts bin`,even so,handling and aeros were good for a `slabwing`,but 300 hp helps...The one I flew came back to Poland about 18 months ago,across the `Pond`...Several videos on u-tube...

meleagertoo 1st Mar 2024 11:30

Well, with a ponderous grinding, some spitting and farting, lots of smoke and oil and each cylinder lighting up in turn this one fires up...
Well known manufacturer.
(love that gas-pedal starter!)


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5e8039916c.png


meleagertoo 6th Mar 2024 10:18

Builder better known for much bigger aircraft than this 2 seat light bomber.

Asturias56 7th Mar 2024 17:20

American?

Ombinda 8th Mar 2024 07:28

Mr (or Mrs?) Google led me on a merry walkabout through the interwebs but "2seat, tandem seating, single engine bomber" led me to: Northrop A-17

meleagertoo 8th Mar 2024 08:37

As American as apple pie.

India Four Two 8th Mar 2024 08:56

North American, as in manufacturer?

Asturias56 8th Mar 2024 12:43

I think Ombinda has it.......................

Asturias56 13th Mar 2024 08:17

Is Obinda correct?

meleagertoo 13th Mar 2024 10:31

Sorry guys, my post of several days ago confirming Obinda's deduction seems to have vanished - he is quite correct.

Obinda has control.

Ombinda 14th Mar 2024 11:48

Sorry guys and gals, only saw this now.
Will search for something suitably esoteric and post asap.

Ombinda 14th Mar 2024 14:07

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f59e9ae2d5.jpg

Hope this meets the criteria?


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