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Background Noise 18th Sep 2008 10:37

Hawk yes, but not UK.

sidtheesexist 18th Sep 2008 17:06

I see some HASs so can I assume military and near continent perhaps?

Moira 18th Sep 2008 17:53

The Netherlands somewhere?

Background Noise 18th Sep 2008 20:05

Not the Netherlands, nor an immediate neighbour.

BAMRA wake up 18th Sep 2008 21:44

White car in the foreground, driving on the right - doesn't tell us anything we don't know already. The tracks look like exposed chalk - so maybe: a smallish military aerodrome in a chalk region of (northern?) France.
The sun appears to be relatively high to left of picture, so the runway's roughly east-west. I'm off to Google Earth!

Reims - Champagne?

Background Noise 18th Sep 2008 22:30

Correct with Reims. Variably mil/civ or just military. Over to BAMRA.

BAMRA wake up 19th Sep 2008 08:04

Thanks BN, I'm off to work so open house.

India Four Two 19th Sep 2008 09:21

Where's this?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...2/WA19Sept.jpg

( I couldn't find a higher resolution than this.)

evansb 19th Sep 2008 23:09

Is it an old RAF base ?

sidtheesexist 20th Sep 2008 01:05

I would guess not in the UK because of the hangar types and v long straight road/field layout. My guess would be US/Canadian but then what do I know...........looks prairie flat to me............

India Four Two 20th Sep 2008 02:43


...........looks prairie flat to me............
Definitely flat, but what they grow in these fields, does not grow on the prairies.

Not an RAF base and not in North America.

The Real Slim Shady 20th Sep 2008 13:11

Is it a very old picture of Hanoi Noi Bai?

India Four Two 20th Sep 2008 17:13

Slim,

I can see why you might think that, but not Noi Bai

Roland Pulfrew 20th Sep 2008 18:47

Early Kabul?

evansb 20th Sep 2008 20:59

Kuala Lumpur ?

BAMRA wake up 21st Sep 2008 09:11

Only a dedicated aviation historian is likely to get this one. I can't even work out what's what! Are those two roads at right angles and a grass strip to the left? The bigger 'hangars' appear to face that way.
If so, maybe an early biplane factory - Japan, China, with rice grown nearby?

India Four Two 21st Sep 2008 16:01

Not EK or KL, not Japan or China.


with rice grown nearby?
Yes.


C in C's inspection 1916:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...42/WA21Sep.jpg

Can someone ID the biplanes?


Are those two roads at right angles and a grass strip to the left?
BAMRA, I think you are correct about the roads and the area to the left is the landing area. This airfield is still in use - Military and Civil.

BAMRA wake up 21st Sep 2008 16:13

Hmmm....

India perhaps?
I can't work out whether that's coast, sea and horizon at the top right, or just a faded area on the print!

India Four Two 21st Sep 2008 16:29

Nothing to do with the Raj, although this air force did participate in WWI.

Correction: the date of the inspection is post-1919, since that was the service date of the biplanes, which are Breguet 14s.

The airfield is well inland - no sea or lakes nearby.

The Real Slim Shady 21st Sep 2008 19:53

OK if the aircraft are French it is likely to be somewhere in Vietnam.

Da Nang?

norwich 21st Sep 2008 20:19

I am out on that limb with WAINODEN, POLAND ???? Keith.

evansb 21st Sep 2008 21:23

For all the rice in Poland, I think the photograph is of the old Don Muang airfield in Bangkok, (Krung Thep), Thailand, (Siam).

aviate1138 21st Sep 2008 21:40

Russia, Engels near Stalingrad........

Warmtoast 21st Sep 2008 22:19

Kiev (Ukraine)?

sycamore 21st Sep 2008 22:26

Googling Don Muang shows similarities in canals on NW-SE sides of airfield,although the grass appears to have been cut !!

India Four Two 22nd Sep 2008 00:37

And the winner is .....
 
I've just woken up to a plethora of possible answers that I never would have thought of. This was a much more difficult challenge than I expected it to be.

And the winner is ..... (as usual) ----- evansb :ok:

RTAF Don Muang, NE of Bangkok. It used to be BKK International, until Suvanabuhmi opened. Some more information and old pictures here:
The Royal Thai Air Force [eng] : : History of The Royal Thai Air Force

and some more info here, including a nice picture of a Breguet 14, which I hadn't heard of before:
thaishortstories.***/2007/12/briefer-history-of-royal-thai-airforce.html
For ***, substitute b l o g s p o t . c o m (with no spaces).

I have to make time to go to the museum, next time I'm in Bangkok :)

As Sycamore points out, the distinctive road and canal pattern is very obvious on Google Earth:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...donmuangGE.jpg

It is interesting that this (NW) side of the airport is now the civil side. The present day military section is out of frame to the left on the other side of 21L.

My next clue was going to be about QANTAS and golf courses:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...a42/VH-OJH.jpg

evansb 22nd Sep 2008 02:07

I'll have to spend some time finding an aerodrome photo as challenging as Simon's last. In the mean time, this one will have to do:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r.../WAD080921.jpg

India Four Two 22nd Sep 2008 02:53

bri,

Somewhere in the US, but otherwise no clue. I hope there are some hangar doors at the far end, otherwise there will be a severe production line bottle-neck!

I've just noticed one of my URLs, which worked properly in preview, has been censored. So for those of you who want to see the Breguet 14, here is a DIY version:
thaishortstories.***/2007/12/briefer-history-of-royal-thai-airforce.html

For ***, substitute b l o g s p o t . c o m (with no spaces).

Note, this blog is perfectly work safe - it's not about THOSE kind of Thai short stories.;)

Cubs2jets 22nd Sep 2008 03:06

Cleveland Hopkins (KCLE)

or

Detroit (Yipsilanti) Willow Run (KYIP)

C2j

Dan Winterland 22nd Sep 2008 03:59

Ref Don Mueng. There can't be many airfields with a golf course between the runways. I once had a golf ball bounce in front of the aircraft while taxying! Still no excuse to go and park on it though!

India Four Two 22nd Sep 2008 04:39


Still no excuse to go and park on it though!
Yes, no excuse! A lot of good SOP and CRM lessons in that accident.

And as an SLF going in to Don Muang for the first time on 21L, those ponds in the undershoot gave me the distinct impression we were going for a swim :eek:

evansb 22nd Sep 2008 04:50

C2j is correct:ok: The Ford plant at Detroit/Willow Run (Yipsilanti, Michigan), was once the largest building in the world. Ford produced the B-24 Liberator bomber at Willow Run. You have control.

Cubs2jets 22nd Sep 2008 13:07

I'm sorry guys, I can resist anything but temptation, and these pics are just too tempting! I'm not prepared with a pic.

OPEN HOUSE!

C2j

Duckbutt 22nd Sep 2008 15:39

Is this enough to go on?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...er/Puzz20a.jpg

Hyperborean 22nd Sep 2008 16:05

The runway layout suggests Fleet Air Arm.

Duckbutt 22nd Sep 2008 16:30

Not Fleet Air Arm. Airfield was originally civilian but for a long time has been partly used by the military.

Duckbutt 23rd Sep 2008 11:29

This was taken during the construction of the first terminal:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...er/Puzz20b.jpg

seacue 24th Sep 2008 03:09

Is that a Koolhoven F.K. 50 in the background?

Max Tow 24th Sep 2008 04:47

Looks more like another Short Scion which used to live in Acebell's Redhill hangar , so I'd say Palestine Airlines and maybe a bit of sly rearrangement of the reggies?

Duckbutt 24th Sep 2008 08:12

Good aircraft recognition Max! Sly, moi?


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