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Old 15th Dec 2023, 21:36
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OWDAX THEN...
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Old 15th Dec 2023, 21:45
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Think I have it, shall let the chase continue, believe we are looking for letters&numbers rather than a cockney name?
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Old 15th Dec 2023, 22:27
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Would Nelson have liked it, or Micheal Flanders mocked it?
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 01:14
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 06:48
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well if those that think they know will post the correct name we can move on.............. asw seems closest
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Hawker P.V.4?
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My (wrong ) guesses were Hardy - Nelson's friend, and the Hartebeest, which Flanders described in the Gnu song as "vulgar".
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 23:05
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Very small tail image provided - but it does appear to be from the same photograph below. If it is the P.V.4 then credit and control should go to asw28-866.




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Old 17th Dec 2023, 07:24
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Noyade is correct - but I'm sure asw did have it earlier

it's the PV4 - a good idea but it just wasn't competitive and by early 1935 the RAF were looking at monoplane bombers



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Thank you for the recognition, afraid I'm on call and nothing to hand (hence not wanting the helm). Noyade would you be kind enough to take control?
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 21:12
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Call out cancelled (for now), try this one...


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Minimoa.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 02:10
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Not the Minimoa.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 02:17
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The type saw military service in WW2, one role supporting development of a pivotal capability:
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 04:39
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Very distinctive aileron in the first picture suggested a Slingsby product. The second picture and the "pivotal capability" clue leads me to the Kirby Kite, which was used in radar trials at Worth Matravers.

I found this wonderful article by Phillip Wills about his participation in the trials:

https://www.key.aero/article/battle-...glider-flights
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Originally Posted by India Four Two
Very distinctive aileron in the first picture suggested a Slingsby product. The second picture and the "pivotal capability" clue leads me to the Kirby Kite, which was used in radar trials at Worth Matravers.

I found this wonderful article by Phillip Wills about his participation in the trials:

https://www.key.aero/article/battle-...glider-flights
It is behind a pay wall, so unfortunately cannot read it. Is it about the flights over the channel in a German sports glider, believe it was a Minimoa.
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Strange, it is not behind a pay wall for me.

Phillip Wills describes early radar trials flights with his Minimoa and some Viking gliders, using Avro 504Ns as tow planes. Later they used Kirby Kites.

Now the key Belgian fort of Eben-Emael had just been captured almost without a struggle by a small force of glider-borne troops, who had arrived in complete silence. What the Air Ministry needed desperately to know was whether wooden gliders, which might form the spearhead of the expected invasion of England, would also act as aerials and would therefore be detectable at a distance by radar.

Our main radar research station was positioned at Worth Matravers, high on the cliffs above Swanage, some 60 miles from the nearest piece of the enemy-held coastline of France, and it was to be our task to be towed out by the Avro 504Ns to a distance of some 40 miles and up to a height of about 10,000ft, where we would be cast off to make our lonely, undefended way back while the boffins at Worth Matravers tried to detect us.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 15:51
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Originally Posted by India Four Two
Strange, it is not behind a pay wall for me.

Phillip Wills describes early radar trials flights with his Minimoa and some Viking gliders, using Avro 504Ns as tow planes. Later they used Kirby Kites.
Thanks - believe I read it in Aeroplane Monthly many moons ago, quite a story!
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 21:21
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~24 hours have elapsed, it is the Kirby Kite, the radar trials story is fascinating and what prompted the challenge. Plus, what thing of beauty:


The gentleman in the CUGC Kirby Kite is a Mr. Slazenger taken in the 30's. I had the honour to be awarded the CUGC Slazenger trophy many decades later for early cross-country prowess.

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Old 20th Dec 2023, 05:20
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Thanks asw.

I think I first read about the glider radar trials in RV Jones' "Most Secret War".

What impressed me most in Phillip Wills' article was the fact that they were towed 40 miles from the English coast, and were therefore only 20 miles from German-occupied France!

Here's an aircraft with a lot more struts than the Kite:


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