What REALLY Happened To Nigger?
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goudie,
It's not even worth discussing or arguing about, this is an aviation history/nostalgia forum, most people know precisely who/what 'Nigger' was, it is only those making a fuss out of the usage of the name that are drawing attention that may offend others.
Let it rest and it shall soon fade away in to the archives!
It's not even worth discussing or arguing about, this is an aviation history/nostalgia forum, most people know precisely who/what 'Nigger' was, it is only those making a fuss out of the usage of the name that are drawing attention that may offend others.
Let it rest and it shall soon fade away in to the archives!
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While the subject of dogs' names is being aired, it's worth remembering that the children's series "The Woodentops" was banned by the BBC because the dog's name "Spotty" was offensive to people with acne.
Shy Torque,
Thanks for the prompt. Being of economic stature, I shall ask the 'Beeb' to stop playing the Eddie Cochrane song 'Cut Across Shorty' as I might find it hurtful.
O-D
Thanks for the prompt. Being of economic stature, I shall ask the 'Beeb' to stop playing the Eddie Cochrane song 'Cut Across Shorty' as I might find it hurtful.
O-D
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Excuse me, but I find the name Wee Tam doubly offensive. Wee is deeply disrespectful towards both the vertically challenged and the incontinent - oops! Sorry. Terribly sorry, the urinally unretentive, and Tam reflects racist intentions aginst the Scots by stereotyping them as wearing Tam'o Shanters. Oh God! I said Scots! I meant people North of the border. Damn! Border is divisionist! Scots is racist too. Must call them Scottish. Oh bugger. I said God - that's Nooo! Not bugger! Now I'm being homophobic, which is discriminatory as referring to people with phobias - (and as fear is not dislike its a nonsense expression anyway). Mustn't say homo either! Noooo!
Oh! Aren't I "allowed" to dislike now? What about rice pudding, or is that different somehow?
If you must impose the intellectual paralysis of pc on yourself by all means go ahead (though in your pc world harbouring prejudices against words, thoughts and those who use them is inherently un-pc which makes pc itself a total hypocrisy by your own defiition). In the interests of democracy, which the rest of us still believe in, just keep it to yourself!
Thank you.
Oh! Aren't I "allowed" to dislike now? What about rice pudding, or is that different somehow?
If you must impose the intellectual paralysis of pc on yourself by all means go ahead (though in your pc world harbouring prejudices against words, thoughts and those who use them is inherently un-pc which makes pc itself a total hypocrisy by your own defiition). In the interests of democracy, which the rest of us still believe in, just keep it to yourself!
Thank you.
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Dam Busters was broadcast last week on UK Channel4 or 4Plus? and a mention was made prior to the broadcast about a name possibly offending some viewers but Nigger was not altered/modified/beeped and it was the unfortunate dog's name!
Whenever Peter Jackson's version is made I do hope they use the original name, anything else would be a pathetic gesture to this PC mad world.
Whenever Peter Jackson's version is made I do hope they use the original name, anything else would be a pathetic gesture to this PC mad world.
They must have fimed Guy Gibson's "interview at Group", where he is asked to form the squadron, in the building in Grantham that during the war was 5 Group HQ, and subsequently became the Grantham Registrar's Office, in which Mrs W and I was married 26 years ago - even some of the same trees still around the front of the building where our wedding photos were taken.
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What REALLY happened to Wee Tam?
I think I can shed some light on this...
We were in the back bar of the Dog and Hammer, chatting about flying, and a chap we didn't know wandered into our absinthe-fuelled conversation, eventually revealing himself as the OP of this very thread. Well, my chums and I are not terribly tolerant, and I'm afraid that whilst he didn't end up pushing daisies by the hangar...
I'm told his sight is returning and he should be back on solids by Easter. Apparently the bandages have curtailed his surfing somewhat...
We were in the back bar of the Dog and Hammer, chatting about flying, and a chap we didn't know wandered into our absinthe-fuelled conversation, eventually revealing himself as the OP of this very thread. Well, my chums and I are not terribly tolerant, and I'm afraid that whilst he didn't end up pushing daisies by the hangar...
I'm told his sight is returning and he should be back on solids by Easter. Apparently the bandages have curtailed his surfing somewhat...
Now, may we close this silly thread.
Guy Gibsons' dog was named NIGGER.
It was a name which the dog was given, and is an important piece of British military history. Get over it you PC dickheads - IT WAS THE NAME OF A DOG WHO IS IMPORATNT TO THOSE OF US WHO ARE ABLE TO REMEMBER WHY WE NOW DON'T SPEAK DEUTSCHE AND DRIVE ON THE LEFT.
Guy Gibsons' dog was named NIGGER.
It was a name which the dog was given, and is an important piece of British military history. Get over it you PC dickheads - IT WAS THE NAME OF A DOG WHO IS IMPORATNT TO THOSE OF US WHO ARE ABLE TO REMEMBER WHY WE NOW DON'T SPEAK DEUTSCHE AND DRIVE ON THE LEFT.
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OK. First of all I don't think I am part of some over zealous PC Brigade ready to find offense in even the most innocent of comments. I have no quibble whatsoever with the use of terms such as "Taff", "Jock" or "Paddy". I enjoy a bit of banter as much as the next person. However, the attempt, several posts ago, to compare my complaint about this word to someone taking offence at being known as "Wee Tam" suggests a certain lack of thought about how this word has been used in the past and is still used today.
Guy Gibson, I'm sure, had no intention of belittling or deriding anyone when he chose this name for his black labrador. As an English man in the 1940's he probably didn't think of it as being any different to calling his canine companion Taff, Jock or Paddy.
Today, however, our knowledge of history should tell us that it is different because it is the name given by generations of violent racists to the victims of their attacks.
This is why I find the word unacceptable - it is a term used by the perpetrators of this type of violence to describe those they have murdered or left horrifically injured.
When I hear this word I think of the type of scene depicted in the Billie Holiday song "Strange Fruit".
I hope other contributors will now at least try to understand my point of view.
Guy Gibson, I'm sure, had no intention of belittling or deriding anyone when he chose this name for his black labrador. As an English man in the 1940's he probably didn't think of it as being any different to calling his canine companion Taff, Jock or Paddy.
Today, however, our knowledge of history should tell us that it is different because it is the name given by generations of violent racists to the victims of their attacks.
This is why I find the word unacceptable - it is a term used by the perpetrators of this type of violence to describe those they have murdered or left horrifically injured.
When I hear this word I think of the type of scene depicted in the Billie Holiday song "Strange Fruit".
I hope other contributors will now at least try to understand my point of view.
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