What REALLY Happened To Nigger?
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OK. Perhaps I am being too PC here. If I've caused offence to anyone then I apologise unreservedly. It's just that I don't like any words which can cause hurt and this is a word which has caused deep hurt and offence to many people for reasons I've outlined.
Having said that I fully understand Guy Gibson had no intention of offending anyone when naming his dog and the word was simply a reference to the colour of the labrador's coat.
If I had been asking the question I would have said: "What really happened to Guy Gibson's black labrador?" but once again I acknowledge the OP's use of the word was strictly factual and in no way intended to cause offence. I apologise unreservedly if he felt my contributions to the thread inferred otherwise.
Whatever happened to "Nigsy" as Guy Gibson often referred to him, he was a faithful friend to a man who in his early 20's played a major part in bringing down the Third Reich and should be remembered as such.
Guy Gibson died at the age of 26. I can't help reflecting on how young 26 year olds appear to me today. It seems when it comes to war mankind never learns from the tragedies of the past.
Having said that I fully understand Guy Gibson had no intention of offending anyone when naming his dog and the word was simply a reference to the colour of the labrador's coat.
If I had been asking the question I would have said: "What really happened to Guy Gibson's black labrador?" but once again I acknowledge the OP's use of the word was strictly factual and in no way intended to cause offence. I apologise unreservedly if he felt my contributions to the thread inferred otherwise.
Whatever happened to "Nigsy" as Guy Gibson often referred to him, he was a faithful friend to a man who in his early 20's played a major part in bringing down the Third Reich and should be remembered as such.
Guy Gibson died at the age of 26. I can't help reflecting on how young 26 year olds appear to me today. It seems when it comes to war mankind never learns from the tragedies of the past.
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Fairly put, FF, and thank you.
I think what enrages people so much about pc is not that some expressions cause offense - we know that and decent people avoid them, but that some (most) pc-ers take suchoffense at words that the rest of us have no idea are offensive. See, for instance, the astonishing revelation by "thing" above that coloured is absolutely verboten and black is to be used. News to me! (I thought the word black was verboten in classrooms, esp when referring to blackboards, but what would I know? Hardly consistent, is it?) And how so, when most of those we'd be referring to would be somewhere between a weak cafe au lait and dark brown? Certainly not black. It is that conceit that the normal world has to defer to their self-appointed censorship of self invented "rules" and somehow we should know about it and defer to it without discussion or exception that is so irritating, and that to my mind indicates a less than healthy preoccupation with demeaning others that is absent in the general population. It is the absolute antithesis of democracy.
Perhaps people might concentrate on things that would make the world a nicer place if that's their bag instead of seeing corruption and malice everywhere where none in reality exists. That's what the Spanish Inquisition, mediaeval witch hunts and religious extremisn almost anywhere does/did, and its UGLY.
I think what enrages people so much about pc is not that some expressions cause offense - we know that and decent people avoid them, but that some (most) pc-ers take suchoffense at words that the rest of us have no idea are offensive. See, for instance, the astonishing revelation by "thing" above that coloured is absolutely verboten and black is to be used. News to me! (I thought the word black was verboten in classrooms, esp when referring to blackboards, but what would I know? Hardly consistent, is it?) And how so, when most of those we'd be referring to would be somewhere between a weak cafe au lait and dark brown? Certainly not black. It is that conceit that the normal world has to defer to their self-appointed censorship of self invented "rules" and somehow we should know about it and defer to it without discussion or exception that is so irritating, and that to my mind indicates a less than healthy preoccupation with demeaning others that is absent in the general population. It is the absolute antithesis of democracy.
Perhaps people might concentrate on things that would make the world a nicer place if that's their bag instead of seeing corruption and malice everywhere where none in reality exists. That's what the Spanish Inquisition, mediaeval witch hunts and religious extremisn almost anywhere does/did, and its UGLY.
There's a Gibson way in Porthleven, Cornwall, where I believe he used to spend his summer holidays as a child.
By all accounts he was an arrogant sod, a bit like Bader, but he got results, and wasn't being paid to win popularity prizes.
Always liked black labs - poor old Nigger
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By all accounts he was an arrogant sod, a bit like Bader, but he got results, and wasn't being paid to win popularity prizes.
Always liked black labs - poor old Nigger
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in the PC environment are we still allowed to mention the town of Scunthorpe?
frequentflyer2,
You have not offended me mate.
What offends me is political correctness and an inability of some people to accept historical truth.
I am an ex-Royal Air Force pilot who comes from an age when people could speak their minds without fear. I am sure that if any dead members of 617 Squadron could read this they might agree.
Try "FREEDOM OF SPEECH".
I will now leave this thread, but only after reminding all of you that history records the name of Guy Gibsons' labrador as Nigger.
If I've caused offence to anyone then I apologise unreservedly. It's just that I don't like any words which can cause hurt and this is a word which has caused deep hurt and offence to many people for reasons I've outlined.
What offends me is political correctness and an inability of some people to accept historical truth.
I am an ex-Royal Air Force pilot who comes from an age when people could speak their minds without fear. I am sure that if any dead members of 617 Squadron could read this they might agree.
Try "FREEDOM OF SPEECH".
I will now leave this thread, but only after reminding all of you that history records the name of Guy Gibsons' labrador as Nigger.
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TD. However the German word for 'negro' is 'neger' which when pronounced by a German usually sounds like the proscribed word 'nigger'. So we just have to educate the Germans, then. (Bit of a struggle, BTW.)
OFSO (not infrequently called a piece of "white trash" by coloured friends and a bloody "ros'bif" by French friends, and no offence taken either way because I am.)
OFSO (not infrequently called a piece of "white trash" by coloured friends and a bloody "ros'bif" by French friends, and no offence taken either way because I am.)
.......oh for Gods' sake........................................................
Rubbish!!!!!!!!
I own a Mercedes Benz CLK320 which says you are totally wrong!
Try educating the goddam yanks!!
So we just have to educate the Germans, then
I own a Mercedes Benz CLK320 which says you are totally wrong!
Try educating the goddam yanks!!
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By all accounts Gibson was an arrogant sod, a bit like Bader,
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One piece of graffiti, from the old days, I recall had been painted on to a bridge across the River Dee.
One individual had scrawled "FREE WALES" and someone else, later on, had added "WITH EVERY 4 GALLONS"
One individual had scrawled "FREE WALES" and someone else, later on, had added "WITH EVERY 4 GALLONS"
By all accounts Gibson was an arrogant sod, a bit like Bader
d.Six months later I met Adolf Galland - an absolute gentleman and scholar.
THE TRUTH ABOUT 617 MEN:
This is a free country - I wonder why!
One correspondent says : "Bill Townsend (O for Orange) ended up working for the Civil Service. I had the privilege of working with him at Bromsgrove Unemployment Benefit Office in 1981. I remember him as being very quiet, but a true English gentleman. At the time, I didn't know who he was, as he never spoke of his background; but a few years later he died and the RAF did a flypast at his funeral. It was then that I found out who he was and what he had done."
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As a matter of interest, for many years Douglas Bader acted as an angel of mercy, traveling long distances at his own expense to hospitals to visit men, women, and children who had lost their limbs. By demonstrating how well he managed on his own tin legs he brought new hope into their shattered lives. Children still in a state of shock would perk up and take notice of this man with the big smile, cheerful confidence and tin legs, and make excellent recoveries. He became a kind of flying Pied Piper and the youngsters loved him.
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As a matter of interest, for many years Douglas Bader acted as an angel of mercy, traveling long distances at his own expense to hospitals to visit men, women, and children who had lost their limbs. By demonstrating how well he managed on his own tin legs he brought new hope into their shattered lives. Children still in a state of shock would perk up and take notice of this man with the big smile, cheerful confidence and tin legs, and make excellent recoveries. He became a kind of flying Pied Piper and the youngsters loved him.
He was an a
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....and I ain't going to tell why on this site!!
You too eh!! The trouble was, I could outfly the s#####t anytime.
Remember that this was the T#####T that tried to get a Spitfire airborne in full coarse pitch!
That may well be but I met Bader when I was a young man and he was quite unpleasant to me.
Remember that this was the T#####T that tried to get a Spitfire airborne in full coarse pitch!
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Well that's it guys. There will be no more threads on this subject. PPRuNe has had its fill.
You appear to have some fun but the main event - Nigger - is now closed. I am a great advocate of what was still is and Nigger is Nigger and always will be. He was real and was 'part' of a very heroic episode in the history of the RAF.
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You appear to have some fun but the main event - Nigger - is now closed. I am a great advocate of what was still is and Nigger is Nigger and always will be. He was real and was 'part' of a very heroic episode in the history of the RAF.
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