DAMBUSTERS (Film) Remake - 2009
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Ok, how many relevant birds left and flyable does he have to film actually flying to put together a realistic airborne compilation?
As for who should play parts...
Jeez can't think of anyone worthy, if its going to be at least a little bit realistic cast some young unknown 20 ish year olds
Yeah, that'll work
As for who should play parts...
Jeez can't think of anyone worthy, if its going to be at least a little bit realistic cast some young unknown 20 ish year olds
Yeah, that'll work
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Ok, how many relevant birds left and flyable does he have to film actually flying to put together a realistic airborne compilation?
Let's fact the facts. Bomber aircraft, except for some B-17s and other medium types of US bombers are very few, most are not flyable and in museums. Should the couple of remaining Lancaster Bombers that are flyable be put at risk remaking a movie?
Also, just how many Lancaster Bombers are flyable currently?
It's Lancasters not Landcasters actually old chap but in answer to your question there are two airworthy aircraft, one in the UK and one in Canada. With regard to Nigger, is there just a sign that with the hoo-hah over Brand and Ross that perhaps some sense of order is returning which might allow the proper name to be used?
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Airworthy Lancasters
As well as the two airworthy aircraft, Lancaster B VII NX611 "Just Jane" at the Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre at the former RAF East Kirkby could be made airworthy again within 12-14 months.
Would the owners of any of these aircraft allow them to be modified to Dambuster / bouncing bomb standard I wonder?
Would the owners of any of these aircraft allow them to be modified to Dambuster / bouncing bomb standard I wonder?
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The remake of "The Italian Job" was a big improvement over the original Michael Caine crap, entertaining and fast moving.
Fortunately we are not all cast in the same mould.
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Until quite recently the London Stock Exchange referred to South African Gold Mining Stock (Shares) as "Kaffirs". If you have a problem with Niggers then just try Kaffir on a Black South African.
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Lancasters! Who needs Lancasters when there are so many 747s in the desert, and tell me, just how many people in this world would know the difference? Yes, I am cynical and sarcastic, but Hollywood gets away with anything, the more controversy, the more tickets sold. Now that's good marketing.
The remake of "The Italian Job" was a big improvement over the original Michael Caine crap, entertaining and fast moving.
Fortunately we are not all cast in the same mould.
Turin
Until quite recently the London Stock Exchange referred to South African Gold Mining Stock (Shares) as "Kaffirs". If you have a problem with Niggers then just try Kaffir on a Black South African.
Con-Pilot & Yowie
Lancasters! Who needs Lancasters when there are so many 747s in the desert, and tell me, just how many people in this world would know the difference? Yes, I am cynical and sarcastic, but Hollywood gets away with anything, the more controversy, the more tickets sold. Now that's good marketing.
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They will probally 'shoot round' Niggers name.
Gibson will call him "Here Boy"
Others will refer to him "Gibson's dog"
The scenec where they are waiting for the code word to be transmitted.
RAF Wireless Op "I've just received the codeword Sir! - the first dams breeched!!!" ( no mention of codeword)
Shame - but bound to happen...
Gibson will call him "Here Boy"
Others will refer to him "Gibson's dog"
The scenec where they are waiting for the code word to be transmitted.
RAF Wireless Op "I've just received the codeword Sir! - the first dams breeched!!!" ( no mention of codeword)
Shame - but bound to happen...
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I understand that Peter jackson is having a number of full scale Lancasters built to use as ground props.
As for flying Lancs then take a look at these images made some years ago now.
First CGI models without dirtying down and other detail. Dan Mayer from Canada is the artist.
And he has, IMHO, incredible CGI talent. None of these images are anything to do with the movie. Wrong Lanc for starters.
And some of his 'reality' pics. Spot the deliberate mistake with the Mk V Spitfire...
All the above by Dan Mayer. Credits on imdb.com
With people like this available at Weta Digital, Peter Jackson's CGI company, I am not losing sleep over how the Dam Busters will look. It should be superb.
As for flying Lancs then take a look at these images made some years ago now.
First CGI models without dirtying down and other detail. Dan Mayer from Canada is the artist.
And he has, IMHO, incredible CGI talent. None of these images are anything to do with the movie. Wrong Lanc for starters.
And some of his 'reality' pics. Spot the deliberate mistake with the Mk V Spitfire...
All the above by Dan Mayer. Credits on imdb.com
With people like this available at Weta Digital, Peter Jackson's CGI company, I am not losing sleep over how the Dam Busters will look. It should be superb.
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aviate1138; The name is Weta Workshop.
If you Google that name along with Dambusters the links should answer many of the questions which have been raised in this thread.
Both the director and the producer say they know how young the crews were, and they want to accurately portray that side of the story.
If you Google that name along with Dambusters the links should answer many of the questions which have been raised in this thread.
Both the director and the producer say they know how young the crews were, and they want to accurately portray that side of the story.
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The remake of "The Italian Job" was a big improvement over the original Michael Caine crap, entertaining and fast moving.
Fortunately we are not all cast in the same mould.
The remake of "The Italian Job" was a big improvement over the original Michael Caine crap, entertaining and fast moving.
Fortunately we are not all cast in the same mould.
In the UK The Italian Job is a more than a film. it's a cutural icon - The Dambusters, Battle of Britain etc are probally in the same mould and would be difficult to remake in such a way to outshine the original.
The remake of "The Italian Job" was a big improvement over the original Michael Caine crap, entertaining and fast moving.
John Carpenters "The Thing" I think was better than the original.
On-topic, can't wait to see the new version of the Dambusters. With the modern CGI gear it'll let them recreate more accurately what went on than the original movie.
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That Dan Mayer lanc is brill - what they can do today with a computer!
The whole issue of a re-make of such a classic raises all sorts of questions and I guess somebody somewhere is not going to be happy about some or other aspect...........The whole dog name thing is just a sign of the pathetic times we live in. The comment about Peter wotshisname being aware of the young age of the crews and wanting to accurately reflect that poses a real problem in terms of getting high profile stars involved. Also, what about the Scampton backdrop? Believe original used RAF Hemswell (almost identical layout apparently) - what they do today or can the computer wizzkids take care of all that too? I'm intrigued to see what the overall result will be. If his LOTRings efforts are anything to go by, should be impressive.
PS Spit V also only had 3 exhaust stubs per side. Spit v airframes you see today with 6 stubs per side have a later series merlin and/or incorrect stubs fitted I believe - check out every ww2 era pickie of a mk v and I don't think you'll find 6 stubs per side. Sure the V111 and 1X onwards had six a side....
The whole issue of a re-make of such a classic raises all sorts of questions and I guess somebody somewhere is not going to be happy about some or other aspect...........The whole dog name thing is just a sign of the pathetic times we live in. The comment about Peter wotshisname being aware of the young age of the crews and wanting to accurately reflect that poses a real problem in terms of getting high profile stars involved. Also, what about the Scampton backdrop? Believe original used RAF Hemswell (almost identical layout apparently) - what they do today or can the computer wizzkids take care of all that too? I'm intrigued to see what the overall result will be. If his LOTRings efforts are anything to go by, should be impressive.
PS Spit V also only had 3 exhaust stubs per side. Spit v airframes you see today with 6 stubs per side have a later series merlin and/or incorrect stubs fitted I believe - check out every ww2 era pickie of a mk v and I don't think you'll find 6 stubs per side. Sure the V111 and 1X onwards had six a side....
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sidtheesexist suggested the MkV had only 3 exhaust stubs.
Well the Shuttleworth Mk V has six stubs and there are others. The majority seem to have 3 stubs though.
The prop is the Dan Mayer deliberate mistake. 4 blades were on Mk IXs I have been told. Pprune Pop - well spotted.
Roll on Dam Busters - The remake.
Thoughts.
Most action is at night time so the visual gains will be enormous. Accurate tracer paths, multi coloured flares etc., correct lighting as opposed to heavily filtered sunlight as in the original film. The actual terrain tracks could be reproduced [small fields/accurate searchlights - smoke from trains etc] Remember in Battle of Britain how some flying shots had Spanish fields in? Crashing aircraft will be much more realistic and of course as previously mentioned the actual bomb/water effects/dam depictions will be so much more accurate. Peter Jackson is a pilot and I can't imagine him accepting rubbish flying shots with all the talent he has to hand.
That just leaves the PC Film Distributors to decide which country will accept the word Nigger [Historically accurate] and which will not. Simple overdub for the PC countries.
If you watch the Douglas Bader epic "Reach for the Sky" you will see actors mouth
"Geoffrey Stephenson" and hear "Johnny Sanderson" spoken because I believe the Stephenson family objected to the portrayal of GS and so the Producers had to redub the relevant tracks. Bader refused to attend the premiere because he felt his friends were slighted by the Director Lewis Gilbert [who had an impossible task to condense into under 3 hours a life such as D. Bader's!] and when Bader did finally see it years later he liked it!
Well the Shuttleworth Mk V has six stubs and there are others. The majority seem to have 3 stubs though.
The prop is the Dan Mayer deliberate mistake. 4 blades were on Mk IXs I have been told. Pprune Pop - well spotted.
Roll on Dam Busters - The remake.
Thoughts.
Most action is at night time so the visual gains will be enormous. Accurate tracer paths, multi coloured flares etc., correct lighting as opposed to heavily filtered sunlight as in the original film. The actual terrain tracks could be reproduced [small fields/accurate searchlights - smoke from trains etc] Remember in Battle of Britain how some flying shots had Spanish fields in? Crashing aircraft will be much more realistic and of course as previously mentioned the actual bomb/water effects/dam depictions will be so much more accurate. Peter Jackson is a pilot and I can't imagine him accepting rubbish flying shots with all the talent he has to hand.
That just leaves the PC Film Distributors to decide which country will accept the word Nigger [Historically accurate] and which will not. Simple overdub for the PC countries.
If you watch the Douglas Bader epic "Reach for the Sky" you will see actors mouth
"Geoffrey Stephenson" and hear "Johnny Sanderson" spoken because I believe the Stephenson family objected to the portrayal of GS and so the Producers had to redub the relevant tracks. Bader refused to attend the premiere because he felt his friends were slighted by the Director Lewis Gilbert [who had an impossible task to condense into under 3 hours a life such as D. Bader's!] and when Bader did finally see it years later he liked it!
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Bader had some very good points and some very bad ones. The one thing I don't like is his assertion to his dying day that he had a mid-air with an Me 109. He was actually shot down, but no doubt his total arrogance prevented him from saying so.
Another was his 'Big Wing' tactics which Johnnie Johnson poo pooed and Sir Keith Park proved time and again was a waste of precious minutes - 20 or more minutes, leaving areas undefended. Well written up in Len Deighton's book, 'Fighter.'
Still, Bader was undoubtedly a brave man but a bloody fool at the same time as his showing off in 1931 proved. But a good leader nonetheless.
Another was his 'Big Wing' tactics which Johnnie Johnson poo pooed and Sir Keith Park proved time and again was a waste of precious minutes - 20 or more minutes, leaving areas undefended. Well written up in Len Deighton's book, 'Fighter.'
Still, Bader was undoubtedly a brave man but a bloody fool at the same time as his showing off in 1931 proved. But a good leader nonetheless.
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Not me denis55 !!
I agree with you 100%
It was posted by some "Sultan" in a tent in Bali who nicked my name.
Maybe he is doing a remake of Lawrence of Arabia !!
I agree with you 100%
It was posted by some "Sultan" in a tent in Bali who nicked my name.
Maybe he is doing a remake of Lawrence of Arabia !!
There are some good remakes "The Others" was one. However I don't think anyone has remade a 'classic' film succesfully. There are plenty of bad ones that could only improve if remade.
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IF we are interested in the re-make versus original Dambusters then one thing that the new film could do better is accents and language (swearing).
The lack of accuracy in portraying the wartime's various "upper" (NOT just restricted to public schoolboys) and regional accents is very common nowadays, but the classic film didn't do a very good job on regional accents either. I dread what is going to be produced.
Where the classic fell down was in "bad language". Now I am very well aware that the normal WW2 soldier, sailor or airman didn't swear as much OR AS PUBLICALLY as a modern teenager, but they did actually swear as they led stressful lives.
(A bit off topic, I wish he had decided to do a film of Len Deighton's "Bomber" or some other film which gave an accurate view of the sheer grind and effort of the bomber war. But good luck with the film anyway).
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The lack of accuracy in portraying the wartime's various "upper" (NOT just restricted to public schoolboys) and regional accents is very common nowadays, but the classic film didn't do a very good job on regional accents either. I dread what is going to be produced.
Where the classic fell down was in "bad language". Now I am very well aware that the normal WW2 soldier, sailor or airman didn't swear as much OR AS PUBLICALLY as a modern teenager, but they did actually swear as they led stressful lives.
(A bit off topic, I wish he had decided to do a film of Len Deighton's "Bomber" or some other film which gave an accurate view of the sheer grind and effort of the bomber war. But good luck with the film anyway).
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Phil,
I remember reading that David Puttnam wanted to make a film about the night bomber offensive, (did he have the film rights to Len Deighton's "Bomber")? He couldn't get the funding for a film about Bomber Command so the outcome was "Memphis Belle".
I well remember the radio version of "Bomber"; the play was transmitted in eight 30 minute episodes during the afternoon and evening of one day on Radio 4, in I think, 1995.
I remember reading that David Puttnam wanted to make a film about the night bomber offensive, (did he have the film rights to Len Deighton's "Bomber")? He couldn't get the funding for a film about Bomber Command so the outcome was "Memphis Belle".
I well remember the radio version of "Bomber"; the play was transmitted in eight 30 minute episodes during the afternoon and evening of one day on Radio 4, in I think, 1995.
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I remember listening to the play throughout that day (and recorded it). I was glued to my radio to the complete disgust of my ex-wife. Actually the BBC Bomber play is still available on CD through the BBC shop or Amazon - I bought a copy earlier in the year and find it a wonderful piece of drama.
OK -the lovey-dovey bits are a bit banal and the portrayal of the Germans a bit odd, but the documentary parts and the raid itself are really chilling in a way that film just can't do.
OK -the lovey-dovey bits are a bit banal and the portrayal of the Germans a bit odd, but the documentary parts and the raid itself are really chilling in a way that film just can't do.