Vulcan XH 558 Threads (merged)
Just had an email they crew in on the Vulcan at 12pm and they hope to land at 2pm at Robin hood airport. I bet just a chosen few will be there with plenty of booze and food flowing, Andrew must be trying to keep it secret as everyone i've seen who use to volunteer for the Vulcan have not heard or been told anything as one of them put it, it's only called the people's plane when they want money but you never get clear answer's from any of them when you ask about future plans let's hope Andrew and Robert dont choke on there sausage rolls and cucumber sandwhich's
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Will have to heed the Oracle in the pub more closely! He reckons this has been known about for at least a month!
DP - leaving the crew aside, you can bet your life that Edmondson et al will be doing the rounds with much mutual back slapping and copious amounts of corporate glad handing for a job well done..........all on the backs of other peoples hard work and sacrifices! Bloody good show, blah, blah, blah! Peoples aircraft my ar5e."Just give us your f@$&ing money so we can bask in the glory for a while longer! Oh, and by the way, why do you need to know where my aircrafts going?! Dig deep or we'll sell it to the Russians!"
DP - leaving the crew aside, you can bet your life that Edmondson et al will be doing the rounds with much mutual back slapping and copious amounts of corporate glad handing for a job well done..........all on the backs of other peoples hard work and sacrifices! Bloody good show, blah, blah, blah! Peoples aircraft my ar5e."Just give us your f@$&ing money so we can bask in the glory for a while longer! Oh, and by the way, why do you need to know where my aircrafts going?! Dig deep or we'll sell it to the Russians!"
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Here we go again, 'need another £225000 by April or we fear its is flight here will be its last'
Although its a beautiful sight to see flying, I for one am sick of the threats of grounding and continuos bleating on for money to fly this thing, and to pay executives saleries, I think its now got beyond reality.
Stick it a museum and put the exhorbitant amounts of money it costs to fly this thing to good, think how many smaller aircraft that could sponser to get back in the skies.
Its only a question of time before its retired (again) anyway, the publics money is being used to fund life-styles for a few at the top, and pay for big boys toys.
Get a Shack back in the skies!
Although its a beautiful sight to see flying, I for one am sick of the threats of grounding and continuos bleating on for money to fly this thing, and to pay executives saleries, I think its now got beyond reality.
Stick it a museum and put the exhorbitant amounts of money it costs to fly this thing to good, think how many smaller aircraft that could sponser to get back in the skies.
Its only a question of time before its retired (again) anyway, the publics money is being used to fund life-styles for a few at the top, and pay for big boys toys.
Get a Shack back in the skies!
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Unlike you i can remember first flight watching all the work that the volunteer's did from sweeping the pan's moving ground equipment walking up and down the runway colecting FOD all these guy's got was a thank you from Colin Marshall (logistics manager) and from what i remember i used to see the flight crew in the canteen having lunch and you can bet they never payed as the Vulcan office had a tab. Andrew is the most ignorant person i have come across he would sooner walk the long way round than speak to you he was forever messing my bosses around which he still does to this day.Just glad i dont give any of my money to the likes of him to waste on hotels and employing people with no real purpose a change of top management would do the Vulcan a world of good someone who actually knew what they were doing may actually make money instead of wasting it 
Unlike you i can remember first flight watching all the work that the volunteer's did from sweeping the pan's moving ground equipment walking up and down the runway colecting FOD all these guy's got was a thank you from Colin Marshall (logistics manager) and from what i remember i used to see the flight crew in the canteen having lunch and you can bet they never payed as the Vulcan office had a tab. Andrew is the most ignorant person i have come across he would sooner walk the long way round than speak to you he was forever messing my bosses around which he still does to this day.Just glad i dont give any of my money to the likes of him to waste on hotels and employing people with no real purpose a change of top management would do the Vulcan a world of good someone who actually knew what they were doing may actually make money instead of wasting it
And as an aside no food was arranged on the day of first flight before hand because they were all busy with other things it was overlooked and I was the one who went to the diner to arrange sandwiches for the aircrew CAA & MA personnel which were eaten in the ops office over a working lunch!!!
Your opinions of the management are of course yours and non of my business and I can't say one way or the other whether they thanked the volunteers
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Here we go again, 'need another £225000 by April or we fear its is flight here will be its last'
I for one am sick of the threats of grounding and continuos bleating on for money to fly this thing, and to pay executives saleries, I think its now got beyond reality.
Yes... Here we go again.... bleating on ..... by people who do not know what is involved with flying a complex aircraft.
Stick it a museum and put the exhorbitant amounts of money it costs to fly this thing to good, think how many smaller aircraft that could sponser to get back in the skies.
This is C**P..... if this aircraft stopped flying then the finance for it would evaporate.... these people who have funded this aircraft would not fund anything else because majority of them are not interested in any other aircraft project.
Just like the moaners before who said in the past that the money should go to the air ambulance..... it just wouldn't happen...
Most of the people who have supported the Vulcan are not aviation enthusiasts and they will only support the Vulcan..
Get a Shack back in the skies!
BAe Systems just will not support the "Shack" therefore no Design Authority.. ergo no flying Shack..... ditto Lightning, Buccaneer and any other complex British Ex-military aircraft
I for one am sick of the threats of grounding and continuos bleating on for money to fly this thing, and to pay executives saleries, I think its now got beyond reality.
Yes... Here we go again.... bleating on ..... by people who do not know what is involved with flying a complex aircraft.
Stick it a museum and put the exhorbitant amounts of money it costs to fly this thing to good, think how many smaller aircraft that could sponser to get back in the skies.
This is C**P..... if this aircraft stopped flying then the finance for it would evaporate.... these people who have funded this aircraft would not fund anything else because majority of them are not interested in any other aircraft project.
Just like the moaners before who said in the past that the money should go to the air ambulance..... it just wouldn't happen...
Most of the people who have supported the Vulcan are not aviation enthusiasts and they will only support the Vulcan..
Get a Shack back in the skies!
BAe Systems just will not support the "Shack" therefore no Design Authority.. ergo no flying Shack..... ditto Lightning, Buccaneer and any other complex British Ex-military aircraft
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first flight
For reference I was a volunteer and still am. Onfirst flight day, as on the preceeding days I was commuting from home (35 miles each way). Was on site at around 0430/0500 to ensure that the press and others were looked after. I then went on to assist with traffic control (both road and air[onground] and other duties, culminating with having the privelidge to be on the banking to watch first flight. It was an experience I will never forget and I did these things as our team do these things as a matter of love and respect for something we fervently believe in.
As for food etc, It happened when we had time...........Mine as I remember was stewed flask of coffee and a burger at some point.
I might add, we adjourned to the local pub afterwords, then a journey home still burning adrenaline, and another trip on the Friday to help clean up the mess so that the folks at Brunty could get on with the mundane stuff having witnessed a piece of history taking place the previous day.
You BW are entitled to your opinion, its a shame you have to hide behind a pseudonym. I do not have that problem. My name is David Lee-Williams and I have been involved with the organisation for sometime.
We volunteers do what we are able because WE WANT TO. Please do not slate of my friends. Thank you.
As for food etc, It happened when we had time...........Mine as I remember was stewed flask of coffee and a burger at some point.
I might add, we adjourned to the local pub afterwords, then a journey home still burning adrenaline, and another trip on the Friday to help clean up the mess so that the folks at Brunty could get on with the mundane stuff having witnessed a piece of history taking place the previous day.
You BW are entitled to your opinion, its a shame you have to hide behind a pseudonym. I do not have that problem. My name is David Lee-Williams and I have been involved with the organisation for sometime.
We volunteers do what we are able because WE WANT TO. Please do not slate of my friends. Thank you.
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I personally thanked all of my team for a job well done on that day, as Dave said we were there from 5.30 'til very late and if you have ever tried to keep the media under control? it's like herding eels...
BW you have only just joined this Forum but you seem bent on causing trouble... why?..... what has VTTST done to you? ....wouldn't they give you a job or something?
Just remember you are casting a nasty shadow over all of us at Bruntingthorpe both workers and volunteers... please pack it in.
Is it me or is there a large gap in posts from 31st Mar 13.41 to 1st Apl 01.20....?
BW you have only just joined this Forum but you seem bent on causing trouble... why?..... what has VTTST done to you? ....wouldn't they give you a job or something?
Just remember you are casting a nasty shadow over all of us at Bruntingthorpe both workers and volunteers... please pack it in.
Is it me or is there a large gap in posts from 31st Mar 13.41 to 1st Apl 01.20....?
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Sorry, should have included this in my last post
That is true of any organistaion who 'employs' volunteers. Where I work, the volunteers are brilliant. the one who works with me apologises for taking holiday such is her commitment.
I don't think anyone has a beef with the guys and gals who volunteer to VTTS, it's got more to do with the perceived mismanagement of the project by people who really should know better.
As someone who spent a very pleasurable 10 years around Vulcans, it hurts like hell to say that I feel it's time to stop pumping money into this project. It's a huge drain on voluntary resources and I think the money would be better spent on preserving and operating other aircraft.
Quick question. With all the money that's been pumped into this project from day one, how many different aircraft could that money have been used for?
We volunteers do what we are able because WE WANT TO.
I don't think anyone has a beef with the guys and gals who volunteer to VTTS, it's got more to do with the perceived mismanagement of the project by people who really should know better.
As someone who spent a very pleasurable 10 years around Vulcans, it hurts like hell to say that I feel it's time to stop pumping money into this project. It's a huge drain on voluntary resources and I think the money would be better spent on preserving and operating other aircraft.
Quick question. With all the money that's been pumped into this project from day one, how many different aircraft could that money have been used for?
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As someone who spent a very pleasurable 10 years around Vulcans, it hurts like hell to say that I feel it's time to stop pumping money into this project. It's a huge drain on voluntary resources and I think the money would be better spent on preserving and operating other aircraft.
Quick question. With all the money that's been pumped into this project from day one, how many different aircraft could that money have been used for?
Sorry....The money pumped into this project from day1 would not have materialised for any other aviation project[s] and if this aircraft stopped flying then the finance for it would evaporate.... these people who have funded this aircraft for the last 10yrs would not fund anything else because majority of them are not interested in any other aircraft project.
Just like the moaners before who said in the past that the money should go to the air ambulance..... it just wouldn't happen...
Most of the people who have supported the Vulcan are not aviation enthusiasts and they will only support the Vulcan..
As to drain on voluntary resources? there is very little as the CAA originally said that no volunteers were allowed to work on the airframe so all the engineering staff are employed or contractors..... most of the volunteer team they had at Bruntingthorpe, now seem to be working at Beech Restorations..
Quick question. With all the money that's been pumped into this project from day one, how many different aircraft could that money have been used for?
Sorry....The money pumped into this project from day1 would not have materialised for any other aviation project[s] and if this aircraft stopped flying then the finance for it would evaporate.... these people who have funded this aircraft for the last 10yrs would not fund anything else because majority of them are not interested in any other aircraft project.
Just like the moaners before who said in the past that the money should go to the air ambulance..... it just wouldn't happen...
Most of the people who have supported the Vulcan are not aviation enthusiasts and they will only support the Vulcan..
As to drain on voluntary resources? there is very little as the CAA originally said that no volunteers were allowed to work on the airframe so all the engineering staff are employed or contractors..... most of the volunteer team they had at Bruntingthorpe, now seem to be working at Beech Restorations..
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As someone who spent a very pleasurable 10 years around Vulcans, it hurts like hell to say that I feel it's time to stop pumping money into this project. It's a huge drain on voluntary resources and I think the money would be better spent on preserving and operating other aircraft.
Quick question. With all the money that's been pumped into this project from day one, how many different aircraft could that money have been used for?
When I said voluntary resources, I meant money not carrying out the maintenance work on the aircraft.
You are obviously, passionately involved with this project. However, I think that passion has clouded your judgement somewhat.
I've never subscribed to the 'air ambulance' scenario. When this project started all those years ago, it was understandable that a fundraising effort was needed to get the project on it's way. I don't think those people who did give to the appeal expected to be asked so many more times for additional funds. That could be down to people not understanding what a four jet engined aircraft needs to keep it flying.
I stopped giving ages ago because I felt that VTTS were never completely transparent about it's dealings (I know a lot of my mates also went the same way because of this). The Trust, rightly or wrongly, earned a reputation for being very clicky and secretive, not a good trait when you ask for thousands of pounds from Joe Public.
Whichever way you cut the pie, the Vulcan is an expensive folly. Only time will tell if the public are willing to continue to support her.
Quick question. With all the money that's been pumped into this project from day one, how many different aircraft could that money have been used for?
Sorry....The money pumped into this project from day1 would not have materialised for any other aviation project[s] and if this aircraft stopped flying then the finance for it would evaporate.... these people who have funded this aircraft for the last 10yrs would not fund anything else because majority of them are not interested in any other aircraft project.
Just like the moaners before who said in the past that the money should go to the air ambulance..... it just wouldn't happen...
Most of the people who have supported the Vulcan are not aviation enthusiasts and they will only support the Vulcan..
As to drain on voluntary resources? there is very little as the CAA originally said that no volunteers were allowed to work on the airframe so all the engineering staff are employed or contractors..... most of the volunteer team they had at Bruntingthorpe, now seem to be working at Beech Restorations..
Just like the moaners before who said in the past that the money should go to the air ambulance..... it just wouldn't happen...
Most of the people who have supported the Vulcan are not aviation enthusiasts and they will only support the Vulcan..
As to drain on voluntary resources? there is very little as the CAA originally said that no volunteers were allowed to work on the airframe so all the engineering staff are employed or contractors..... most of the volunteer team they had at Bruntingthorpe, now seem to be working at Beech Restorations..
You are obviously, passionately involved with this project. However, I think that passion has clouded your judgement somewhat.
I've never subscribed to the 'air ambulance' scenario. When this project started all those years ago, it was understandable that a fundraising effort was needed to get the project on it's way. I don't think those people who did give to the appeal expected to be asked so many more times for additional funds. That could be down to people not understanding what a four jet engined aircraft needs to keep it flying.
I stopped giving ages ago because I felt that VTTS were never completely transparent about it's dealings (I know a lot of my mates also went the same way because of this). The Trust, rightly or wrongly, earned a reputation for being very clicky and secretive, not a good trait when you ask for thousands of pounds from Joe Public.
Whichever way you cut the pie, the Vulcan is an expensive folly. Only time will tell if the public are willing to continue to support her.
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My BW you do talk a load of bull. I dont normally take part in forums but i have been reading some threads and then i came to your's. As i am a lead volunteer for the Vulcan i had the priviledge of been in the lead vehicle every time she came out of the hangar. Colin Marshall gave us the timetable and he was and still is always polite. As for the aircrew they thanked us all and gave us the time of day when ever they had spare time infact my wife has got photo's of herself and the aircrew on different occasions especially Dave Thomas he was her favorate.
So to put it bluntly i think you should channel your pathetic opinion some where else on a subject that you know about
So to put it bluntly i think you should channel your pathetic opinion some where else on a subject that you know about