I doubt it will go back this far. Better contact tracing and early managing of COVID clusters or hotspots should avoid the need for mass border closures again. Even Chairman Dan probably recognises this.

Also, bear in mind the QLD and WA border closures were more related to state elections than COVID. Politicians can't help themselves and won't waste a good crisis if it advances the chances of re-election. But these elections will be done and dusted by March 2021. There will be much more pressure on the WA Premier if he finds that everyone else is open.

My hope would be that by December, border restrictions along the east states would allow at least a 50% domestic service.

International services - that's a much more long term process.

Yes going from 5 % to 50 % in a couple of months is an entirely realistic possibility

It is really on the cards after watching what has happened to the Euros after they took seaside frolics & just put
Covid out of their minds for six weeks. Let's all go travelling see our friends and have some fun down at the seaside

Someone from before said if fifo included would be at 20% now, not correct fifo is about 4% of load

The detachment from reality in this country is beyond words , the Victorian was up singing & dancing last week boasting
how he just sent "teams to NSW" to study their contact tracing teams etc, he was howling out loud "look at me" , " look at me"
(big boaster this fella: also rabbiting on about his chats to CEO of QF about relocation of HQ & all that commercial/business experience from his background in Socialist Left)

I thought the time to do this would have been six months ago, this is the same person who had mandatory "diversity" training by DHS for hotel security
staff, no "infection control" training required

Would you open your borders to this bloke ?

Victoria is gone for a decade & good chance he will take the Country down with him

The detachment from reality in this thread is beyond a joke. Someone said >20% WTF?

Last week, SYD-BNE around 1900L. Qatar ahead of us on departure heading west, then not another aircraft on CTR frequencies until BNE approach. Not one. I radio checked to see that it wasn't finger trouble from me....

Right now its 1320L. SYD airport arrivals showing 22 domestic arrivals for the rest of the day. 8 interstate jets, the rest Rex/Qlink etc.

Do some research on actual numbers instead of trying to justify your point with a check in with centre due to the airspace being quiet.

Hope this helps, come back to me when ready.
https://www.qantas.com/au/en/travel-...k-changes.html

And the relevance of QFs planned schedule for next month (with a disclaimer about being subject to border openings) helps your argument how?

Domestic market is more than the East Coast. WA still going gangbusters.

I'm still flying in and out of YPPH regularly; Busier than east coast for sure, but gangbusters is hardly the word I'd use.

I counted 112 departures Ex YPPH today not including international. Plenty of full FIFO etc. The word certainly an appropriate aphorism to describe WA aviation ATM. The Aus aviation scene is much wider than a SYD centric / East Coast myopic view.

FIFO is just people going to work & people go to work by car , bus , train , & sometimes aircraft & helicopter or bicycle

Sure it is great that the resources industry is still going but FIFO pax is a meaningless number , the numbers that matter are RPT pax & RPT psk, and June said 380k down from 5000 k previous June

Sure it is great that pilots/maintainers etc etc still have a reasonable amount of work in the West, just don't get the Victorian giving you advices on contact tracing & hotel quarantine

I would think in WA right now maybe 400/500 international arrivals and 300/400 interstate per week , where does that take WA back to 1930s or 20s

The resource guys (especially BHP) are starting to mandate that if FIFO to a facility in state X you must reside in state X, so the end of interstate & international FIFO
, so that is a permanent hit to RPT which won't come back. Okay maybe only a very small % of pre-Covid loads, but it all adds up & much more impact in a smaller post Covid environment

Ffs you're a spud

FIFO is business. Its flying. Plain and ******* simple.

amazing.

That will never happen long term. No mining company will ever lock itself into a state based labour force. They hire labour from all over Australia and the world to keep the price of the labour down. They will never as a long term strategy insist that the labour has to live in one location. That is just asking for wage inflation. As soon as borders are open and we have something resembling interstate RPT FIFO will be back.

If you only knew the money to be made in resource industry flying mate you wouldn't be making that comment......

As has been explained before that's temporary whilst the border restrictions in force. Once the border restrictions are removed it would be unconstitutional under s117 to require that condition of employment, under the same principle that you can't deny employment in Coolangatta, Qld to some who resides a 2 min drive away in Tweed Heads, NSW.

Why are there so many trolls here who repeat this debunked nonsense to get a rise out of people at such a time?

Your missing the point , FIFO numbers stay the same so we can do what we do best - sell rocks to other people

The pax numbers to the point of departure decrease as no more transcon FIFO anymore - so the story is a net loss

Have a look at the adverts on seek for FIFO workers, all contractors now insisting you reside "in-state" (breaching the Constitution , like who cares ? ,
the States/Territories have been doing that from first day of Covid - Feds haven't acted for I would guess a number of reasons)

You have to start seeing what has already & will happen - Covid has made structural changes to "how" people will work & that is going to significantly effect pax numbers

& I'm not aware of the numbers re: $$ for FIFO , I am sure they are significant. But let me ask you this , what do you think the margin would be ? - 20% at maximum ?

No you are assuming that a short term solution will be permanent. It won't be because it is expensive. Nothing gets a mining company's attention more than expensive labour or monopolistic practices by a contractor. I have seen it happen!!

For the legally non aware (ie Telfer86) here's an article explaining the law:

Is it illegal under the constitution for a state to close its borders to other Australians?

The mining companies are requiring their workers in WA to be based in WA for the duration of this pandemic/border closures as otherwise they would be paying for a interstate worker's temporary accommodation costs for the duration of the emergency. That's because they aren't being allowed into the state for the duration of this emergency, as explained in the article.

Once the border restrictions are over as a consequence of the emergency being over then s117 kicks in and denying interstate workers the right to live where they want to is illegal. Employers can insist all they want but they can't require it.

That's called using facts from people who know what they're talking about to back up your argument Telfer, please try doing it instead of posting fearmongering rubbish to scare people.

I still can’t get passed the arrogance of McGowan claiming this ‘in state ‘ workforce.

eg: I work fifo from say , sydney . I’m now experienced at blowing things up and get a new gig which is subject to this requirement.

Worker takes job. Moves family to Perth. Worker still gets on a plane and flies to site for his swing. Family left in perth now with no support network, friends etc.

So the worker still fifos but the family suffers.

Apologies for drift.

So Dr Dre a few words from whoever at the ABC put that up is some kind of eminent legal opinion ? (they have among other things High Court Judges at the ABC these days ? Push button googs just has all the worlds wisdom)

Whether its lawful or not , doesn't really matter resource companies & contractors are demanding you live in state

What has already occurred in WA will happen in Qld soon

Joe Public can't take them on & this will effect quantum of domestic travel permanently

WA tried this already , they need 7000 people to pick fruit and work in regional areas. Large campaign in all media forms - they had just over 400 applicants. Equates to $7 000 per person whom applied spent in advertising etc.

FIFO is not dead.

oh please, leaving Sydney for Perth is a blessing:cool:

Indeed it is.

I think though, the underlying point is that while leaving the revolting mess that is Sydney (or Melbourne), for a new life in Perth is great, and many do find it a blessing, a move from Sydney to Newman, Hedland, Karratha, Pannawonica, Tom Price, etc is far less common. Therefore FIFO is not and will never be dead, at least not until until these towns grow all the amenities that the capitals have. And then, If you’re FIFO from Perth anyway, why not keep the missus happy and just commute from Sydney?