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Joker89 12th Sep 2020 10:35

Ah yes, the “what if we didn’t argument”. The “models” can’t be wrong even in the face of overwhelming data on historical death rates against places that didn’t lock down and restrict Internal travel.

Bend alot 12th Sep 2020 10:41


Originally Posted by Joker89 (Post 10883598)
Ah yes, the “what if we didn’t argument”. The “models” can’t be wrong even in the face of overwhelming data on historical death rates against places that didn’t lock down and restrict Internal travel.

Can you list those places?

Everyone in the given graph did.

exfocx 12th Sep 2020 10:50


Originally Posted by Joker89 (Post 10883579)
All the fear mongers should watch this. You just Need to follow the data.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac


Whose data; you mean the data YOU believe in? So all those other virologists, infectious diseases experts etc, who agree on the present path just don't get, while you, an aluminium tube driver does! You can sift through the material and see what they can't?

You are joking, aren't you?

exfocx 12th Sep 2020 10:56


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10883597)
I have been a advocate for Basic Life Skills to be taught in schools as a core for many years - that includes understanding government/s and the agencies including tax and business.

With all due respect Bed alot, why? Xeptu, how did your son get to be 35 yrs old and not know any of that? Did you not talk to him about politics etc as he was growing up, about voting and why and how the system works?

I'd have though this is what a parent does as any normal part of raising your offspring. Finance, how it works, IRs, CCs Vs personal loans, saving Vs debt. Politics, as above.

Joker89 12th Sep 2020 11:05


Originally Posted by exfocx (Post 10883609)
Whose data; you mean the data YOU believe in? So all those other virologists, infectious diseases experts etc, who agree on the present path just don't get, while you, an aluminium tube driver does! You can sift through the material and see what they can't?

You are joking, aren't you?

please produce some data analysis that supports your point of view, not models and “expert” opinion.

Xeptu 12th Sep 2020 11:09


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10883597)
I have been a advocate for Basic Life Skills to be taught in schools as a core for many years - that includes understanding government/s and the agencies including tax and business.

It takes me back to my year 11 maths teacher, he was a pakistani, we called him Pakki Jones. He unknown to us at the time was an extraordinary math teacher. We didn't care about maths , we didn't want to be there, we wanted to get out of school and do it our way, like most teenagers. This is how he got our undivided attention. OK he said clearly you don't want to know anything about maths, lets do the very first thing you will need to know when you leave school, he pulled out a stack of Individual Tax Return Forms. We waded through it in sheer horror, whats a tax file number, oh that you have to apply for one of those it will be with you for the rest of your life. He became the schools most respected and best teacher of all time. (our time)

Bend alot 12th Sep 2020 11:19


Originally Posted by exfocx (Post 10883614)
With all due respect Bed alot, why? Xeptu, how did your son get to be 35 yrs old and not know any of that? Did you not talk to him about politics etc as he was growing up, about voting and why and how the system works?

I'd have though this is what a parent does as any normal part of raising your offspring. Finance, how it works, IRs, CCs Vs personal loans, saving Vs debt. Politics, as above.

No actually, you do pass on things (generally what you know or learn)

My kids have been exposed to a lot - I guess they have learnt some stuff.

But none of the stuff you listed are general topics of family conversation, my kids know roughly that I have a will and where my money can be found (via a broker) but no details other than a rough amount and what I wish they would do with it.

Bend alot 12th Sep 2020 11:23

It is very normal for that age group.

Xeptu 12th Sep 2020 11:33


Originally Posted by exfocx (Post 10883614)
With all due respect Bed alot, why? Xeptu, how did your son get to be 35 yrs old and not know any of that? Did you not talk to him about politics etc as he was growing up, about voting and why and how the system works?

I'd have though this is what a parent does as any normal part of raising your offspring. Finance, how it works, IRs, CCs Vs personal loans, saving Vs debt. Politics, as above.

Yep! and they rolled their eyeballs, just like your kids did.

exfocx 13th Sep 2020 01:48


Originally Posted by Joker89 (Post 10883618)
please produce some data analysis that supports your point of view, not models and “expert” opinion.

Your problem is you think you have the capability and knowledge to interpret the data, and you obviously think those experts who haven't came to your conclusion can't. I don't.

If was as simple as you think, there wouldn't be differences of expert opinion.

Section28- BE 13th Sep 2020 02:08

ex the Daily Mail: Airline rivals Qantas and Virgin join forces to demand.......
 

Airline rivals Qantas and Virgin join forces to demand Queensland opens its borders to help save hundreds of jobs - as the coronavirus pandemic continues to wreak havoc on the travel industry
Daily Mail article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-reopen.html

rgds
S28

Bend alot 13th Sep 2020 02:22


Originally Posted by Section28- BE (Post 10883985)

Qantas and Virgin - save jobs!

Qantas certainly should be ashamed of its employment record during the pandemic.

currawong 13th Sep 2020 02:54

AMA backs Queensland Chief Health Officer.

"Queensland's medical community has spoken out in support of the state's Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young..."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-...s-ama/12650214

Turnleft080 13th Sep 2020 04:10

[QUOTE=currawong. AMA backs Queensland Chief Health Officer.
[i]"Queensland's medical community has spoken out in support of the state's Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young..."

Oh, she's the one that calls the shots with border polices and rich people entering the state.
Anastasia is just the spokeswomen as Scotty's telephone call indicated last week.

KRviator 13th Sep 2020 05:55

The single biggest problem with delegating authority for border closures to CHO's et al, is this. They are Doctors by profession! The very nature of a Doctors psyche is to prevent, or limit the spread of disease, no matter the cost. They are not economists, virologists or (shudder) politicians. They have no concept of the ramifications beyond their health-perspective bubble. Tell a Doctor they can "do whatever they need to to stop COVID in the State of <X>" and of course they are going to say "stop everyone coming in". Tell a Doctor "Do whatever you want to stop COVID, but obey the Constitution" and you would have a very different result.

currawong 13th Sep 2020 06:26


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10884041)
The single biggest problem with delegating authority for border closures to CHO's et al, is this. They are Doctors by profession! The very nature of a Doctors psyche is to prevent, or limit the spread of disease, no matter the cost. They are not economists, virologists or (shudder) politicians. They have no concept of the ramifications beyond their health-perspective bubble. Tell a Doctor they can "do whatever they need to to stop COVID in the State of <X>" and of course they are going to say "stop everyone coming in". Tell a Doctor "Do whatever you want to stop COVID, but obey the Constitution" and you would have a very different result.

Valid argument, if there was nobody coming in....

CaptCloudbuster 13th Sep 2020 07:40

Technically the QLD Premier was right.

Graeme Orr, professor of law at the University of Queensland, says it's clear the law provides that only a public health officer can let someone out of quarantine to go to a funeral. "Also, under the crime and corruption law it would be highly inappropriate for a minister to intervene."

Regardless of where the formal power rested, the affair has been damaging for the Premier and the CHO, and shows that if Queensland is to keep its border closed, more flexibility is needed in the system to deal better with compassionate cases.

Ragnor 13th Sep 2020 08:18

QANTAS, Virgin, Helloworld and Flight Centre have launched a campaign to get QLD to open their border running it along with Queen P re-election campaign with a series of TV adds.

Haveing the domestic borders closed is costing the tourism industry billions and the loss of jobs to go with it, this election will be interesting to watch how Queen P sells the closure and what she will do to reignite the economy.

C441 13th Sep 2020 08:43

I find it perplexing that strict the limitations that are applied on movement from Northern NSW where there have been few if any recent Covid cases do not apply to suburban Brisbane. There have been numerous positively confirmed cases in the southern and western suburbs of Brisbane but there are no limitations on the movement of people across the suburbs. Surely the CHO must have considered closing the border between the north and east and the south and western suburbs.:rolleyes: :*

Turnleft080 13th Sep 2020 08:46


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10884041)
The single biggest problem with delegating authority for border closures to CHO's et al, is this. They are Doctors by profession! The very nature of a Doctors psyche is to prevent, or limit the spread of disease, no matter the cost. They are not economists, virologists or (shudder) politicians. They have no concept of the ramifications beyond their health-perspective bubble. Tell a Doctor they can "do whatever they need to to stop COVID in the State of <X>" and of course they are going to say "stop everyone coming in". Tell a Doctor "Do whatever you want to stop COVID, but obey the Constitution" and you would have a very different result.

You forgot one more thing. They have failed how to improve your immune system to limit the symptoms, and even prevent hospitalisation.
Not one iota since Jan. Nothing zilch. You know why? Money, money, money, it's so funny in a sick mans world. And woman.

Good grief I just found this, he's finally on to it. Never though I see the day.
https://www.insider.com/fauci-takes-...y-boost-2020-9


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