Originally Posted by Joker89
(Post 10883598)
Ah yes, the “what if we didn’t argument”. The “models” can’t be wrong even in the face of overwhelming data on historical death rates against places that didn’t lock down and restrict Internal travel.
Everyone in the given graph did. |
Originally Posted by Joker89
(Post 10883579)
All the fear mongers should watch this. You just Need to follow the data.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac Whose data; you mean the data YOU believe in? So all those other virologists, infectious diseases experts etc, who agree on the present path just don't get, while you, an aluminium tube driver does! You can sift through the material and see what they can't? You are joking, aren't you? |
Originally Posted by Bend alot
(Post 10883597)
I have been a advocate for Basic Life Skills to be taught in schools as a core for many years - that includes understanding government/s and the agencies including tax and business.
I'd have though this is what a parent does as any normal part of raising your offspring. Finance, how it works, IRs, CCs Vs personal loans, saving Vs debt. Politics, as above. |
Originally Posted by exfocx
(Post 10883609)
Whose data; you mean the data YOU believe in? So all those other virologists, infectious diseases experts etc, who agree on the present path just don't get, while you, an aluminium tube driver does! You can sift through the material and see what they can't?
You are joking, aren't you? |
Originally Posted by Bend alot
(Post 10883597)
I have been a advocate for Basic Life Skills to be taught in schools as a core for many years - that includes understanding government/s and the agencies including tax and business.
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Originally Posted by exfocx
(Post 10883614)
With all due respect Bed alot, why? Xeptu, how did your son get to be 35 yrs old and not know any of that? Did you not talk to him about politics etc as he was growing up, about voting and why and how the system works?
I'd have though this is what a parent does as any normal part of raising your offspring. Finance, how it works, IRs, CCs Vs personal loans, saving Vs debt. Politics, as above. My kids have been exposed to a lot - I guess they have learnt some stuff. But none of the stuff you listed are general topics of family conversation, my kids know roughly that I have a will and where my money can be found (via a broker) but no details other than a rough amount and what I wish they would do with it. |
It is very normal for that age group.
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Originally Posted by exfocx
(Post 10883614)
With all due respect Bed alot, why? Xeptu, how did your son get to be 35 yrs old and not know any of that? Did you not talk to him about politics etc as he was growing up, about voting and why and how the system works?
I'd have though this is what a parent does as any normal part of raising your offspring. Finance, how it works, IRs, CCs Vs personal loans, saving Vs debt. Politics, as above. |
Originally Posted by Joker89
(Post 10883618)
please produce some data analysis that supports your point of view, not models and “expert” opinion.
If was as simple as you think, there wouldn't be differences of expert opinion. |
ex the Daily Mail: Airline rivals Qantas and Virgin join forces to demand.......
Airline rivals Qantas and Virgin join forces to demand Queensland opens its borders to help save hundreds of jobs - as the coronavirus pandemic continues to wreak havoc on the travel industry rgds S28 |
Originally Posted by Section28- BE
(Post 10883985)
Qantas certainly should be ashamed of its employment record during the pandemic. |
AMA backs Queensland Chief Health Officer.
"Queensland's medical community has spoken out in support of the state's Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young..." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-...s-ama/12650214 |
[QUOTE=currawong. AMA backs Queensland Chief Health Officer.
[i]"Queensland's medical community has spoken out in support of the state's Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young..." Oh, she's the one that calls the shots with border polices and rich people entering the state. Anastasia is just the spokeswomen as Scotty's telephone call indicated last week. |
The single biggest problem with delegating authority for border closures to CHO's et al, is this. They are Doctors by profession! The very nature of a Doctors psyche is to prevent, or limit the spread of disease, no matter the cost. They are not economists, virologists or (shudder) politicians. They have no concept of the ramifications beyond their health-perspective bubble. Tell a Doctor they can "do whatever they need to to stop COVID in the State of <X>" and of course they are going to say "stop everyone coming in". Tell a Doctor "Do whatever you want to stop COVID, but obey the Constitution" and you would have a very different result.
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Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 10884041)
The single biggest problem with delegating authority for border closures to CHO's et al, is this. They are Doctors by profession! The very nature of a Doctors psyche is to prevent, or limit the spread of disease, no matter the cost. They are not economists, virologists or (shudder) politicians. They have no concept of the ramifications beyond their health-perspective bubble. Tell a Doctor they can "do whatever they need to to stop COVID in the State of <X>" and of course they are going to say "stop everyone coming in". Tell a Doctor "Do whatever you want to stop COVID, but obey the Constitution" and you would have a very different result.
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Technically the QLD Premier was right.
Graeme Orr, professor of law at the University of Queensland, says it's clear the law provides that only a public health officer can let someone out of quarantine to go to a funeral. "Also, under the crime and corruption law it would be highly inappropriate for a minister to intervene." Regardless of where the formal power rested, the affair has been damaging for the Premier and the CHO, and shows that if Queensland is to keep its border closed, more flexibility is needed in the system to deal better with compassionate cases. |
QANTAS, Virgin, Helloworld and Flight Centre have launched a campaign to get QLD to open their border running it along with Queen P re-election campaign with a series of TV adds.
Haveing the domestic borders closed is costing the tourism industry billions and the loss of jobs to go with it, this election will be interesting to watch how Queen P sells the closure and what she will do to reignite the economy. |
I find it perplexing that strict the limitations that are applied on movement from Northern NSW where there have been few if any recent Covid cases do not apply to suburban Brisbane. There have been numerous positively confirmed cases in the southern and western suburbs of Brisbane but there are no limitations on the movement of people across the suburbs. Surely the CHO must have considered closing the border between the north and east and the south and western suburbs.:rolleyes: :*
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Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 10884041)
The single biggest problem with delegating authority for border closures to CHO's et al, is this. They are Doctors by profession! The very nature of a Doctors psyche is to prevent, or limit the spread of disease, no matter the cost. They are not economists, virologists or (shudder) politicians. They have no concept of the ramifications beyond their health-perspective bubble. Tell a Doctor they can "do whatever they need to to stop COVID in the State of <X>" and of course they are going to say "stop everyone coming in". Tell a Doctor "Do whatever you want to stop COVID, but obey the Constitution" and you would have a very different result.
Not one iota since Jan. Nothing zilch. You know why? Money, money, money, it's so funny in a sick mans world. And woman. Good grief I just found this, he's finally on to it. Never though I see the day. https://www.insider.com/fauci-takes-...y-boost-2020-9 |
Originally Posted by Slezy9
(Post 10797847)
You following events in the USA?
Joke.... Donald Trump caught the novel Corona virus, our thoughts and prayers are with the virus :} |
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