Canberra??

Could be!

Where ever it is, he needs to consider changing the water in his/her or it's smoking apparatus!

Just out of sheer curiosity: Are you, in fact, a doctor?

Dr dre:
‘’’The video starring the millennial manager and her team congratulating themselves was played on national TV and to the inquiry. The trajectory of the outbreak through a lebanese crime family is widely known in legal circles, including the family name (a type of bird). The government euphemism was “an extended family outbreak involving six households ‘. The ethnicity is not relevant, the scofflaw behaviour is.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...22-p55504.html

The behaviour of the lebanese untrained security guards is consistent with their behaviour (they are nice guys but subject to temptation) has also been on display for the last eighteen months to the emergency fire services officers securing over thirteen illegal toxic storage dumps during that period there was a 24 hour guard as well as hourly explosive vapour tests. That work finished about six weeks ago.. It is also the subject of daily images and revelations at the ongoing inquiry.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...ntine/12550832

You're not comparing apples with apples. For the months of Mar-Aug 20 there have been significant restrictions to freedom of movement as well as a social distancing regime. It stands to reason that the deaths have reduced. Not only has the lid been kept on COVID (relatively speaking) there's probably been a positive effect on other causes of death. Presumably any death is included, regardless of cause, in these figures. Granted you did say the figures were interesting and agreed, probably surprising.

There's nothing conspicuous about Aug 19 being missing. It's just a rolling list of 12 months of statistics.

however the screen grab is July to July and the current webpage is sep to aug. Something doesn’t add up.

I doubt the amount of deaths from cancer and heart disease were impacted from a lockdown. The reality is that 100 odd deaths in Australia wasn’t going to impact any statistics. Approximately 2000 people in Australia die each month from a respiratory illness. The hypothesis that every COVID death is a death that would not have occurred within 3-6 months or the next year doesn’t hold weight.

Well....not in public eh?

So why in the data from last month are the figures from July 2019 to July 2020 shown so a year on year comparison be made, yet for the following month the figures shown are from September 2019 to August 2020? August 2019 is convenient in its absence. I don’t recall us getting a daily running tally of the average 125 people who died per day in Victoria in August last year. It seems like an attempt to obfuscate the data.

Well I never was a AJ fan in fact hardly know him being a vic.
Though the longer this crap goes on the more I lean to him.
Something has to give shortly, we cannot go on like this.
I echo his rant here.

It definitely is pure madness. Each day I still can’t believe that we can’t freely move around or even work. These borders will remain closed indefinitely as 28 days will never be achieved. We have lost our way that’s for sure.

Dr Dre looks to be defending the Victorian Governments handling of this in most posts. Close links maybe?

Even putting the Hotel Debacle aside, the simple fact is even the left wing media have highlighted numerous examples of complete incompetence in the Govts ability to deal with many varied scenarios, and that is just the stuff we know about.

One thing I like about most of the posters on PPRUNE is that we are are willing to challenge a bad call. I hope the Victorian public do the same at election time.

Any party that’s happy to front the next election with a ~1000% tobacco tax will definitely get my vote!

Agree,a bad call is a bad call,lib v lab is not a way to decide who should & shouldnt be in power.
Theres always going to be a decision someone doesnt like but when the decision is this 1 as in the hotel quarantine fiasco just put political parties aside & really ask yourself,was it the right or indeed just a really bad decision that the people of victoria are being punished for now.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...09-p55ts0.html

Same article, without the paywall.

Waiting patiently for a vaccine is a not a way out of this. ScoMo et al - are you paying attention?

I don't see that the states have any choice. Outside of a total lockdown, it's either sectional lockdown and containment, which probably doesn't work anyway (NSW will be the decider) or let it rip. The economic impact is the same either way, particularly around small business, either you can't do the job yourself or supply issues from those businesses you depend upon, same result. View it like rolling strike action from the 70"s. If and when NSW falls, there are two options, shutdown like VIC or let it rip. If you choose the let it rip option then you must accept, your own health system will most likely become overwhelmed and you probably will lose at least one of your own loved ones. Are you willing to make that choice and which will it be.

Ignoring Vic and NSW, please just answer this example Xeptu...

With accurate contact tracing in place, how is somebody travelling on a flight from Brisbane to Perth any more risky in terms of COVID spread than somebody travelling from Brisbane to Cairns or Perth to Broome?

This is one such example of how we can work towards getting this sloth-like economy moving a little bit. Some proactiveness is required from our politicians and our individual attitudes!!

Let it rip. I'm with you Xeptu. Been saying that for along time as well. However you do that by very strict quarantine the elderly and age care. Total isolation.
While the vaccine has had a hiccup in Oxford this morning a new study came out on vit D from Spain. Let me stress of course it's not a cure though it can prevent deaths.
Basically 76 people with covid over 60s yo put in 2 groups, in hospital.
50 taking vit D -----------------------1 went to ICU ----------------- No deaths.
26 not taking Vit D -----------------13 went to ICU ---------------- 2 deaths.
Can provide the article/study later if you want. Just maybe then the hospitals won't be that overwhelmed.
Fact is the younger generation can start work right now with masks and all that other stuff.
However again, try reversing any decision Dan has made.
Coming up to 6 weeks stage 4 lockdown and the numbers have gone last 3 days 41,55,76.
What does he want zero cases in a 28 day period. Holy bloody struth.

I would'nt say there is any more or less risk, the issue is "when" the virus arrives. The airlines are parked up because of operational risk, not because they care if you get infected. Trying to keep things moving when you lose one or two crew members is a problem, particularly if those crew members are not in their own home base at the time. You end up with aircraft stuck on the ground all over the place until the whole operation comes to a grinding halt.

Sorry that makes no sense and doesn’t really answer my question. This isn’t about the airline crew, it’s about moving passengers from A to B and getting the economy moving. I am pretty sure AJ doesn’t want his fleet parked up- the operation is already at a grinding halt. The risk of the locations I gave you with a COVID positive case on board is miniscule. I am still quite confused about your response.

Completely incorrect assumption Xeptu. Information given through QF Flight Ops weekly Webinars directly from the mouths of Tino, QMed et al says otherwise. Stop posting information as fact you obviously have no knowledge of.

What difference does it make, the outcome is the same and I'll actually state and that's a fact when it is.

I think what people have been trying to tell you for a while is that you may have been involved in aviation once but your views appear a little out of touch with the industry today.

Cheers mate

IMHO to appease the fact gatherers. It makes no difference if the borders are open, there still won't be too many passengers travelling anywhere, for what purpose, why do you think we are all going to rush to the airports and travel somewhere. Are you suggesting that alone will restore the economy.

Well there is demand on those INTRA state routes I mentioned and good pax loads. So again that contradicts your opinion. BNE-CNS is the busiest route in Aus right now. But I guess you already knew that.

What a nonsense! The only difference is I don't fly a heavy anymore, I retired from the Airlines, not from Life. I'm still current and get to bash around in the flight levels when I feel like it. When was the last time you flew, are you sure your views are not out of date, The covid change of life occurred 7 months ago, have you adapted yet.

Haven’t flown since Feb. Have adapted.

I tend to agree. I don't think the return to normal passenger levels will come as a result of governments opening borders, I think it'll come when public confidence to travel returns to a pre Covid state. It may not be until a vaccine is distributed, it may be when the media stops treating this in a sensationalist way. It may be when the spread of the virus is mostly contained, it may be when economic conditions begin to recover. Who knows? Passengers were cancelling trips in great numbers before borders were closed. There is confidence in travelling within states, but I see that as more of a sign of confidence of the public that travelling within that state is safe, rather than solely being allowed to travel within that state.

Which doesn't involve crossing borders, so is Perth to everywhere in WA as well, whats your point

Agreed, a quick test will be the game changer. out of interest of those domestic passengers pre covid, how many were travelling to make overseas connections, like our beloved Bali or cruise ships or other international connections., My guess is probably half.

Yes it does matter, have you not been reading the stories of despair from general citizens, farmers, business and many others?

The borders being closed is much bigger than a few aircraft parked up and my career at a screaming halt like many others on this forum. Its family's seeking medical attention farmers who have had a horrid decade and now have the opportunity to cash in on recent good weather events its about family's and singles with business that have or will soon face financial ruin and have no way of recovering. Then there is the mental health issue year 12 students already doing the unthinkable and Victorians who have it much harder then the rest of Australia, well what I thought was Australia who know what ppl think now.

Good to see DA finally concede, swallow his pride seek help from NSW to understand why our contact tracing is so successful. NSW is able to manage this as demonstrated from the start. QLD, they're on the brink of an outbreak well before NSW as they don't have the contact tracing ability NSW.

Let me guess Xeptu...

Retired, best years of your life behind you. Travelled widely in your 20s - 60s. But travelling now is becoming difficult, not to mention how rude people are nowadays - and the crowds - this place was way better when we were here in 1975... Did I mention how rude people are nowadays? Plus places are way hotter than they used to be, and dirtier, and no one appreciates how much better this place was in 1975 despite how many times you tell them... and the travel insurance premiums are ridiculous... so you don’t really care much for travel anymore so it’s really no skin off your nose if we close the borders and don’t travel.

But here’s the thing, plenty of people still want to travel. They’re just younger than you. You got old and over cautious: it happens to everyone and now it’s happened to you.

And I agree with you, I am very mindful of what's going on around me and my businesses are impacted, just not as badly as some, but I did design it that way so that it wouldn't be. I am a product of black wednesday 1987. On that note the markets are taking a bit of a spanking today, so I have plenty of time to chat.

Hell NO! The last ten years, particularly after I retired from the airlines have been the very best years. My 20 year old grandson, god damn **** kid, reminds me I'm old most days. :)
P.S I don't know how we ever managed without, mobile phones, laptops, tablets, GPS and vehicles that don't break down

I have always been ruder. Only yesterday I stood behind a young lady at the shop counter that had on the back of her teeshirt, today is just a high heels and lingerie day. As she walked away I said to her, so what happened to just the high heels and lingerie.

Smooth... :rolleyes:

‘The girls’ must be proud. It’s creepy just reading it.

Did I previously mention “out of touch“?

You did and there in lies your answer, perhaps that's the real problem with the world.

Ha ha, you have to be taking the p!ss.

Xeptu says “it’s not me, it’s the world”