Not wanting to get too far off track but Germany just opened a new coal fired power station and is delaying the shut down of its last nuclear power plants.

So the Germans couldn't even do it. Greta must be having a tantrum!

There is only ONE dictator Premier. Dan Andrews. He is so sh%t scared to do anything positive to get the State moving again because he has been let down badly by his "ministers' (I use the word loosely) The other States are all open for business although some restrictions still apply in NSW because they too stuffed up the quarantine protocols but not as badly as Andrews did in Victoria.

Cannot believe what a joke the Victorian road map is. 5 cases a day and 7 weeks before you’re allowed to sit at a cafe and have a coffee?

People in Sydney are well and truly over the rona, minimal cases bubbling along. Life feels pretty much back to normal if you’re not a party animal type person. I’m thankful Gladys and Kerry have done such an incredible job here, might change my tune if they keep toting with a mask mandate.

6. 50% of Swedes live alone.

Isolation is already normal in Sweden so there is reduced need to impose more.

Only 7% of Australians live alone by comparison.

This is all TOO much, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!! !!!

If Dan was an Airline captain his licence would be revoked .
If Dan was in the military he would be court-martialled.
If Dan was a surgeon he would be done for malpractice.
If Dan was and still is a premier your given a 11% pay rise.

I think Dan has done fantastic job throughout this entire pandemic; there has only been one occasion where I have been unable to purchase my favorite red!!

I think he's actually doing a lot of the right things to get the state out of the pandemic.

What 'positive' measures do you think he should be taking, that would not potentially make the pandemic worse?

Yes he probably is doing a lot of right things but he made 1 big mistake & keeps avoiding the questions about it.
Why is it not ok for 1 other household per household to be allowed to visit family,even put a limit of once a week on it if need be & a time limit if need be but right now he is putting so many innocent people completely offside & he needs them to work with him not p..s them off.
The numbers are coming down because the hotel fiasco is coming to an end as far as community transmission is concerned & right now he needs to give the average hard working person in the street something back for what his f..k up has caused them.

Set the new bench mark for minimum aged care and aged care workers standards of a high/est level - having parts of it a Federal level and parts a state level, just leads to a blame game.

This across the board not just retirement homes.

Not only will it help with COVID-19 but many other age related issues over a foreseeable future.

Correct,pay people properly,train people properly,ensure the operators run it properly & invest the profits back into it instead of paying dividends & ridiculous salaries to hi flying executives.
Inspect the facilities regularly without giving any notice & when they dont comply,make sure the penalties are severe,they will soon get the message.
Theyre happy to fine people for not wearing a mask or whatever,now do it to these aged care operators & sort this out once & for all.

This virus has been political poison for politicians of all flavours.

It will be for the next crew too if there is not some immediate improvement.

Therein lies the conundrum - improvement in what?

Some will say case numbers, others the economy, all the while ignoring the fact that the two are inextricably linked.

Hang tight Victorians, he’s got this in the bag...
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f0527eb35a.png

Now you’re not making sense Xeptu what makes you think that?

I’m struggling to understand why a retired old folk that’s not in the industry is replying on a pilots forum all day guessing your exit was not voluntary and you’re bitter? why would I have to hand over to females to understand That makes as much sense as Dan Andrews daily marathon press conferences?

Couple of decades of command, I’m glad I never flew with you, you do not embrace change or anyone else opinions you would be the type that’s “alway right”.

You got some serious issues going on there mate. Time you took some time out.

Judging by his 2 hour presser today and the lockdown road map strategy they are after elimination. That's according to their wonderful science and model machine.
Well where did they get that from. No country in the world has eliminated it. NZ failed. Noah saved the animals, the sequel is in the making Dan saves Victorians.

May I add his acting was brilliant today very dour & dreary as per the script written by the produces Fiona Pattern, Samantha Ratnam, Andy Meddick wanted.
We like to thank the sponsors, the tax payers and destruction of business council. Filming will resume tomorrow at 11am.

If we were to translate the Swedish figures into OZ we would have seen;
15000 deaths
218000 positive cases.
Sweden's economy in the last quarter shrunk 8.6%

Australia had;
753 deaths
26,278 positive cases.
Economy in the last quarter shrunk by 7%

Which would you rather have?

Are you sure those 15000 and 753 died of covid or died with covid.

The real answer will be whose economy is recovering the fastest. It's hard to get back to business if many of your businesses closed due to lockdowns.

A closed border for no real reason or pay higher taxes/council rates!

State to pay $2bn a year in interest

CHARLIE PEEL
The Palaszczuk government will head into the October 31 election with ballooning state debt and a yearly interest bill expected to rise by $500m as a result of the economic turmoil wrought by coronavirus.

Economists forecast Queensland’s fiscal position is likely to have deteriorated since the last update given in July when Treasurer Cameron Dick presents a budget update on Monday.

The Palaszczuk government did not produce a budget this year, citing the pandemic.

Even before the virus, the government was struggling to control its state debt, which had blown out by $1bn in the latter half of last year. Economists believe the state debt will rise above $100bn within two years and could reach up to $110bn by 2024.

In July, Mr Dick revealed Queensland’s share of GST had dropped $2.5bn from the MYFER estimates and there had also been a $1bn decrease in state taxes and royalties.

Meanwhile, expenditure had increased by about $6bn as the state battled to stimulate the economy.

Economist Gene Tunny expected Monday’s update would reveal a deterioration in the budget since the July update, which came prior to Victoria entering stage four lockdown.

He predicted the state’s interest bill would hit $2bn, from a total budget of about $60bn.

“Ultimately it means you have to pay higher taxes and charges than otherwise or (the government) has to spend less on services like health and education,” Mr Tunny told The Australian.

“It means a rising interest bill and the government having to service that debt. They could be doing that for a very long time.”

Mr Tunny predicted fiscal deficits could reach $10bn in 2019-20 and $14bn to $15bn in 2020-21 with a state debt — originally forecast to top $90bn by 2022-23

— of $105bn to $110bn by mid-2024.

Deputy Premier Steven Miles refused to reveal details of the update on Sunday. “Queensland hasn’t been immune to the global pandemic or the global economic repercussions,” he said.

Oh at last,now everybody can see what shes been hiding behind.
Oh,cant believe we now see another taxpayer paid politician refusing to reveal details.
Every 1 of them deserve to be thrown out of office & australia be governed by 1 government,its about time these tossers were made accountable for their actions,that applies to all state governments,the whole country has had enough.

Victorian unemployment to reach 10% is pretty epic alone.

bit simplistic to simply compare the GDP

swedens GDP contraction was far less than the EUs at 11.4%.

also, all those jobkeeper/seeker dollars being spent are included in ours. They’re all borrowed dollars

The whole handling of this situation is epic

agreed.
It’s interesting the plummeting death rates despite huge numbers overseas.

Interesting?
The more you study your opponent the better you are equipped to deal with it.

Sweden is not doing as well as may of you want to think, even worse when compared to other similar countries.

https://www.barrons.com/news/virus-f...511904?tesla=y

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL20...oronavirus.htm

Todays cases/deaths in Vic 41/9. last 3 days 80s/90s/63 now 41. By the end of the week we should be in the low 20s.
So whats the purpose of another 8 weeks of lockdown? Of course elimination, not flatten the curve as of the first 4 months.
Vic has had only 1 case in 7 months associated with pubs only. Apparently still way to high. Further more Sutton has
based the 6 weeks stage 4 based on a guess. Interesting science and model this one.

Good to see ML is going in the right direction. I would like to think Dan Andrews could be tending towards expect the worse hope for the best approach he announcing what he did gives leverage. If he says late November then people plan for that that’s ok he says Late October and it all turns to sh$t then we are all back to square one. Now he has leverage to open earlier If the cases stay suppressed before that.

He should have expected the worst when he put the hotel quarantine fiasco in place.
What this is showing is that theres basically no other community transmission & yet all we get is talk,he is now on the verge of losing control of all those he continually thanks for doing the right thing,pity he didnt because hes about to find out the power of the people he has taken for granted,enough is enough.

No different to your guess of low 20s!

I agree DA messed up royally from day dot, Victorians have been through hell what they have endured is incomprehensible to the rest us us in Australia. Hopefully its all positive from here on in and NSW/VIC can get back to business with each other. Spring carnival will not be the same this yr!

Would you let Sutton prescribe you with drugs based on a guess or perform open heart surgery on a guess.
Or lets stick to reality destroy thousands of businesses on a guess.
The so called model they are working on will not be revealed that's my guess.
It's 11am next part of the movie is about to be filmed.

All models are based on assumptions.

All models are based on assumptions. Agree but tell business that. The science is wobbly though. Depends which epidemiologist you talk too.
This on 3aw this morning.

An epidemiologist says she found yesterday’s COVID-19 announcement “very bizarre” and she was “really disappointed” by the plan.Chair of epidemiology at Deakin University, Professor Catherine Bennett, said she doesn’t think continuing strict Stage 4 restrictions is needed.“Stage 3 plus masks worked as well as what we’re doing now, from what we can see from the outside,” she told Ross and Russel.“You don’t need to keep us in Stage 4, you just need to have a really smart path that keeps elimination suppressed but starts to open up, and then you get the best of both worlds: you’ve got people on board, you’ve got good compliance, and that’s how we wrap up the end of this tail.”Professor Bennett said the state government should be focused on stamping out COVID-19 in aged care and health settings, where most new Victorian cases are occurring.“We certainly know in the tail that we’ve got particular areas that should be priority areas. That’s what you focus on,” she said.But she urged Victorians to follow the rules set out by the state government.“The numbers are the key here not the dates, so I think we just go hard,” Professor Bennett said.“We may not like this road but the faster we move through it, the better.”

Regarding Sydney cases right now if they were under the Melbourne model, Sydney would be in curfew as well.
Next step by 28th Sept (30-50 cases average for 14 day period), possible.
Next step by 26th Oct (< 5 cases average for a 14 day period), unlikely.
Next step by 23rd Nov ( ZERO cases for a 28 day period not just Vic but other states for covid normal), impossible.
Feed this wonderful supercomputer trash and with zero economic consultation and you will
not get a road map out, but a dark alley to suicide.
As I said just about every month, the scary thing is not the virus the scary thing is how governments react to it. Right now Dan is scary.
Went shopping this morning and I saw the police doing phone/GPS checks on those breaking 1 hour outdoors.
I wonder if I'II get fined if I leave my phone at home. The Vic police almost as bossy as the SS.

I might be a bit naive - how can the police check whether you've exercising for greater than 1 hour?

Their eyes in the sky yes (police drones in Vic), but that's a helluva pricey resource to use to track someone for an hour.

I really feel for you guys in VIC right now, you must be hating life, it gets real when they announce single people living alone can have one whole visitor in their homes. The worst we have here is we have to sit down at the pub and not eat meals at the bar, where drinks are served. We did go through the whole stay at home order in the beginning but even then was still allowed out to exercise and go to the supermarket. I wouldn't want to reside in a high rise apartment in VIC right now.

Don't know. I'm not a mobile phone savvy expert though would leaving mobile data on do anything to do with it.
Anyway checks were happening really don't know how they would police it either.

Don't need that Caravan or whatever they had tooling about above Melbourne Sans-ADSB/Lights etc a couple years ago. They've got a swag of mobile CCTV trailers that link back to wherever they monitor them. I don't trust the DM as much as I can throw them, but they have a story on it today.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09...9438499968.jpg

I think putting hard and fast number targets on when restrictions will be eased is possibly the worst thing that could be done.. imagine if things are going well leading up to the 26th of October, 5 million people are getting ready to step outside and then you are the 6th positive test that day and it ruin it all for everyone for another 2 weeks.

Don’t forget, these are the same people who took 3-4 days to get tested when they had symptoms, and then went back to work for 48 hrs while waiting for results. Don’t be surprised if they pass up the opportunity to test when they’re feeling unwell if they know a positive test could prevent the end of lockdowns.