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Ragnor 19th Jul 2020 22:55


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10841550)
Just on the subject of the BLM protestors-where are they all now?
Oh thats right,they are trying to find another reason to protest about now,the BLM issue has gone away,not important any more.


No you’re wrong! They’re planning another BLM protest in Hyde park Sydney this weekend NSW Police currently trying to have it blocked in the Supreme Court as we speak, if it does go ahead the NSW Police commissioner said this morning he will instruct his officers to issue infringement for breached social distancing rules, if they issue 10000 fines then so be it.

These BLM protester are idiots they’re doing more harm than good for the cause they represent.

compressor stall 19th Jul 2020 23:43

But IIRC the ban for the BLM protest was overturned in NSW courts - which is actually gives more validity to those wanting to protest.

Dan and his Vic colleagues said repeatedly "Don't Go etc", but stopped short of banning it, most likely due to legal advice that the ban would be overturned, emboldening the protesters' position.

On eyre 20th Jul 2020 02:59

One can but hope these protests go ahead sans masks with a few superspreaders in attendance and let Darwin’s logic take effect.

JustinHeywood 20th Jul 2020 03:21


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10841484)

...This [mask wearing] , of course, can lead to death.

Dr. Russell Blaylock, author of The Blaylock Wellness Report newsletter, is a nationally recognized board-certified neurosurgeon, health practitioner, author, and lecturer.


So, I googled Dr Blaylock. The first hit is "pseudoscience peddler" - hardly a credible source since he's also an ant-vaxxer and subscribes, it seems, to most conspiracy theories.

Quoting people like him does not strengthen ANY argument, in fact it diminishes it. .


currawong 20th Jul 2020 05:57

Yep, the other link rates a mention here -

Websites Publishing False Coronavirus Information:

https://www.newsguardtech.com/corona...acking-center/

:rolleyes:

Buster Hyman 20th Jul 2020 07:20


Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose (Post 10841019)
What would you like dan to do? There's no playbook for dealing with Pandemics,

...except for this one, originally written in 2014. https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/519F9392797E2DDCCA257D47001B9948/$File/w-AHMPPI-2019.PDF

...or this Victorian one from 2015. https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/emerg...emic-influenza

You have to remember, there's thousands of Fat Cats in the VPS all dying to write a memo, or a Business Case, or a Business Continuity Plan, any one of which deals with a multitude of foreseeable disasters, including Pandemics. (Been there, seen that!)

wheels_down 21st Jul 2020 06:22

QF group are very edgy to get going.

Today they announced the next phase of Melbourne expansion. The day after lockdown ends.

They also released the Queensland schedule the day after also.

All these people given false hope about travelling to QLD, will they be given refunds or credits when they are told they are not going. Perhaps this is some form of ploy to get people turning their savings into credits within the QF group?

Madness if they think she is opening the borders up the day after.

Xeptu 22nd Jul 2020 23:20

Well what a difference a few days has made. We are losing the containment battle and we can blame that on the attitudes of the few that think this is a nothingness and determined to blatantly continue doing their own thing with reckless abandonment.
The chances of any return to some sort of normality in the next 6 months is lost. All eyes on Queensland and the ASX.

hoss58 23rd Jul 2020 00:58

It may well end up that Melbourne goes down the herd immunity path just by circumstance the way covid is spreading.

Ragnor 23rd Jul 2020 01:04

I think the herd immunity could be debunked, President of Brazil has tested positive for a second time to Covid-19.

Australopithecus 23rd Jul 2020 01:15

There needs to be a mandatory custodial sentence for anyone shown to have been at large while knowingly infected. And it should be retroactive to include Shaggs Security too.

hoss58 23rd Jul 2020 01:52

Totally agree. You only have to look at Sweden. Just noting that unless they can get it under control more people than not may get the virus even though herd immunity is not what they are trying to achieve.

novice110 23rd Jul 2020 02:20

It will be a long time before 'more people than not' get this virus in Victoria !

Total cases under 7000 in a population of 6.3 million.

Other estimates from serology tests puts it at around 2% of the population currently. (Dr Chant NSW CHO comments)


Stickshift3000 23rd Jul 2020 02:20


Originally Posted by hoss58 (Post 10843921)
It may well end up that Melbourne goes down the herd immunity path just by circumstance the way covid is spreading.

There have been approximately 6000 cases in the Melbourne area (the majority of these have since recovered), for a population of approximately 5,000,000.

0.12% of the population has been confirmed to have had the virus.

Basically, stuff all of the Melbourne population has been infected. Herd immunity would not be achievable...

jrfsp 23rd Jul 2020 02:22

Comes back to domestic travel is continuing to reduce / stricter borders rather than going the other way.
Cant see domestic travel until almost 2021 now

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 23rd Jul 2020 02:54


Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 (Post 10843950)
There have been approximately 6000 cases in the Melbourne area (the majority of these have since recovered), for a population of approximately 5,000,000.

0.12% of the population has been confirmed to have had the virus.

Basically, stuff all of the Melbourne population has been infected. Herd immunity would not be achievable...

plus the R number is 1

thisishardtochoose 23rd Jul 2020 04:05

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...staff/12481774

Oh damn this will also be Dan Andrews fault :ugh::ugh::ugh:

DHC8 Driver 23rd Jul 2020 04:09


Originally Posted by Boe787 (Post 10841133)
Taiwan the most successful....no lockdown.....masks mandatory in public and on public transport
masks readily available....eg 711 stores and subsidised by government according to my mate there.
25 million people on an island half the size of Tasmania, 7 deaths and around 430 cases.


I’m in Taiwan and all you say is 100% true except about masks being compulsory. That has been relaxed recently - still required on public transport (MRT, buses, aircraft etc.). Some restaurants still taking temperature. But overall life is very normal here - there never has been a lockdown because the government secured the borders very early.

currawong 23rd Jul 2020 09:35

Pity the military isn't involved with the quarantine system here.

NZ did, at least at management level, when others showed they were not up to the task.

The ones I see are doing a pretty fair job bolstering law enforcement.

They know how to guard stuff.

They are already paid for.

Cock ups are not tolerated.

Whats not to like?

Green.Dot 23rd Jul 2020 09:49


Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose (Post 10843992)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...staff/12481774

Oh damn this will also be Dan Andrews fault :ugh::ugh::ugh:

I say you nailed it mate.

If we have to blame one person, it is him indeed. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. And every Australian should be angry. Angry for the next decade even.

I hope his name lives on as the biggest cluster$&@# in the history of Australian Politics. That would make me happier.


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