Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11317670)
Immediate admission at Bumrungraad or queued for five hours in an ambulance outside Royal Perth Hospital?
Hmmmm....? Which one should I pick? Or, which one is third world?
The Difference Between Public and Private Hospitals in Thailand The difference in Thailand between public and private hospitals is not so much about the quality of healthcare, especially in the larger cities, but more about ease of access and overall comfort. For a Westerner, it is easy and straightforward to make an appointment at a private clinic or hospital. A public clinic or hospital will generally require a first-time visitor to walk-in before being able to make appointments. Seeing a doctor on the same day without an appointment for a non-life-threatening condition generally requires arriving at the clinic between 6 and 7 in the morning. Once admitted to a public hospital, the conditions are much less comfortable than in a private one, with many more beds to a room, and often with outdated equipment and facilities. In rural areas, public hospitals may not have the equipment or specialists capable of handling major trauma injuries or severe illnesses. For some, this means choosing a permanent location in Thailand that allows access to Bangkok’s hospitals. For those who must make use of Thailand’s public hospital system, but want to avoid the long wait times and have access to nicer facilities, it is worth seeking out purchasing private medical services or using premium clinics within the government-run system. |
Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
(Post 11317674)
An Aussie holidaying in QT probably doesn’t realise that come a jet boat or skiing accident, medical care would be better in metro- Manilla. Not going to argue with you and your creative scenarios as I know both places very well. QT is loaded with high-net worth Aussies avoiding tax on their foreign businesses. I take the piss out of them, exposing themselves and family to Third World medical risk for dollars they can well afford not to have.
The paramedic/ambulance service is another thing that you would have to add in, no point having the best hospital if you have to get yourself there in an emergency. Reminds me of the woman in Bairnsdale that had her whole face ripped off by a milking machine that grabbed her hair, fast paramedic attendance and rapid transit to Melbourne meant she survived and had her face reattached. I mean you could argue all the billionaires living in Portsea in Victoria are miles from hospital access, except that a paramedic will attend in minutes and then helicopter have them in the city in mere minutes. At least Phillipines has a single emergency number now which is only about 5 years old using 911. Even then it's recommended you have the number of a local private ambulance provider for timely attendance. |
Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11317676)
To be fair Bumrungraad is a private hospital, RPA is a public hospital. If you have private insurance in either place you can skip ambulance queues and go to your private of choice. The major difference is in public hospitals.
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It sounds like an argument over assisted death, does he really want to die or is someone influencing him? Why does one guy's decision to make his own choices on a place to live bother some people so much? It's bizarre.
Chris, it sounds like you're a big boy and you made big boy decisions. That seems to frighten some people but you should enjoy yourself and feel free, in the worst case, to make full use of our medical system that you helped pay for, when you need it. That's a right you don't even need to earn, it's part of our system. In the meantime enjoy the many amazing aspects of life there and ignore the rants of people who've never set foot outside Australia apart from Bali and assume anyone else is a paedophile. Anyone else in need of the comfort of a nanny state, needing to live on the taxes of "rich pricks" richer than you, don't venture out, stay home and watch Q&A to reinforce your beliefs.
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11317670)
Immediate admission at Bumrungraad or queued for five hours in an ambulance outside Royal Perth Hospital?
Hmmmm....? Which one should I pick? Or, which one is third world? |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11317681)
As far as I know, it is NOT possible to skip ambulance queues for ED admissions at any hospitals in WA
No strictly private hospitals (or joint private / public) that I know of even have an ED in the true sense of the word. Ambulance ramping is when the ER ward is full and no suitable alternate is available, so if options are available to treat a patient they can go there. Shortages of ambulances in Australia are more a cultural issue, mostly occurring on Friday/Saturdays due to drunks, drugs and other weekend reasons. |
Originally Posted by Eclan
(Post 11317682)
It sounds like an argument over assisted death, does he really want to die or is someone influencing him? Why does one guy's decision to make his own choices on a place to live bother some people so much? It's bizarre.
Chris, it sounds like you're a big boy and you made big boy decisions. That seems to frighten some people but you should enjoy yourself and feel free, in the worst case, to make full use of our medical system that you helped pay for, when you need it. That's a right you don't even need to earn, it's part of our system. In the meantime enjoy the many amazing aspects of life there and ignore the rants of people who've never set foot outside Australia apart from Bali and assume anyone else is a paedophile. Anyone else in need of the comfort of a nanny state, needing to live on the taxes of "rich pricks" richer than you, don't venture out, stay home and watch Q&A to reinforce your beliefs. Good point, Wingnut, and they probably have first rate internet, too. |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11317681)
As far as I know, it is NOT possible to skip ambulance queues for ED admissions at any hospitals in WA
No strictly private hospitals (or joint private / public) that I know of even have an ED in the true sense of the word. |
Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11317684)
I think you have a big issue with what is general advice/reality vs being told not to do something. It's more that you don't like what the reality is and are annoyed that someone else has a contrary view. I really don't care what you choose to do, just don't say somethings better or worse without facing reality, people will disagree with you. Nothing has been said other than insults to tell me I need to reconsider my opinion, I haven't once said that they should not live there, or go there, just pointing out the realities of third world living and not doing so at the cost of others, whether locals or Aussie taxpayers. Don't care if you've worked hard, so have the rest of us.
You don't care what anyone chooses to do? One guy says he moved overseas and it's the best move HE ever made and you're now 25,000 words into some serious ranting dragging in medical care, hospitals, terrorism, taxation, paedophilia and child-abuse, money-envy and general entitlement with yourself as the adjudicator on what's allowed and what isn't. You are plain-wrong about the Aussie system covering him. Now you're complaining about being insulted but if you're going to be some kind of self-designated font of knowledge and opinion on all things, sorry, but you need to take the lumps when you get it wrong on all counts including simple comprehension of the original post! You DO care if he's worked hard because you've cast aspersions on his taxation responsibilities. It's a bit late to go back on that now. You have some serious issues with tall poppy syndrome not the least of them. Take a week in the Boracay and unwind and see the place for yourself, then come back and rant with at least some basis in fact. |
Originally Posted by Eclan
(Post 11317694)
He never said it is "better" but simply implied it is better for him.
You don't care what anyone chooses to do? One guy says he moved overseas and it's the best move HE ever made and you're now 25,000 words into some serious ranting dragging in medical care, hospitals, terrorism, taxation, paedophilia and child-abuse, money-envy and general entitlement with yourself as the adjudicator on what's allowed and what isn't. You are plain-wrong about the Aussie system covering him. Now you're complaining about being insulted but if you're going to be some kind of self-designated font of knowledge and opinion on all things, sorry, but you need to take the lumps when you get it wrong on all counts including simple comprehension of the original post! You DO care if he's worked hard because you've cast aspersions on his taxation responsibilities. It's a bit late to go back on that now. You have some serious issues with tall poppy syndrome not the least of them. Take a week in the Boracay and unwind and see the place for yourself, then come back and rant with at least some basis in fact. You DO care if he's worked hard because you've cast aspersions on his taxation responsibilities. It's a bit late to go back on that now. You have some serious issues with tall poppy syndrome not the least of them. Take a week in the Boracay and unwind and see the place for yourself, then come back and rant with at least some basis in fact. I do hope you get your BP checked soon, you sound like a bitter person in general which is genuinely bad for your health. |
Unsubscribing. Im off sailing on my boat here and flying ultralights. Ive been to a hospital and dentist here and yes i pay cash but its good value. Bye.
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My son got sore throat and a temp , it’s 11 pm at night at the height of covid . Wife goes into full muma bear mode . In the next 3 hours we had two online consultations with a paediatrician who was home asleep , blood tests , pcr tests , helicopter on standby , a bed at St Luke’s Manila on standby and access to a 24 hour pharmacy .
2 am were told he’s got infected throat , cost came to about $40 Aussie . paediatrician said pay him when we see him next . I refused the helicopter offer and said I’d drive him if required as I know helicopters can be full IFR with auto land but all crewed by ex military and no IFR rating . That’s the difference , you got to understand the limitations and know where the threats are . Bumrungrad is a fantastic hospital . There are many Aussies here who will get no where near the average life span of an Australian male but Im confident to say if they where in Australia they would also have little chance of getting to the average either . Just an observation . |
That’s the difference , you got to understand the limitations and know where the threats are . I mean St Lukes is still a private hospital, so it would be interesting the cost if you actually had to stay there and I'm sure the treatment would be fantastic. Also the medivac heli would have been a private service as well at cost. Not sure how much insurance covers everything though. That being said everything you are talking of there would be covered by insurance in Australia or free if using the public services. Telehealth appointments, nurse on call etc, all free. Ambulance is paid for, but you can avoid that if you have simple ambulance cover , or comprehensive health insurance, or are a pensioner. To be fair the Phillipines is not squarely third world, it just has developing country aspects, if you have insurance and or money you can live quite well, as Chris is doing from the sound of it. Would I trade Aussie lifestyle for life there, no, not my cup of tea. Are you better off there, I would still argue no, as there are many problems that can still ruin your day that just don't exist in Australia, and I don't wish to deal with it in retirement. Fill your boots if you do. My major issues for me personally would be water quality and repeated exposure to Malaria and Dengue if you are there for enough wet seasons. At least the treatments for those are getting better. |
Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11317740)
And that's all I've been saying, in regards to overseas living.
I mean St Lukes is still a private hospital, so it would be interesting the cost if you actually had to stay there and I'm sure the treatment would be fantastic. Also the medivac heli would have been a private service as well at cost. Not sure how much insurance covers everything though. That being said everything you are talking of there would be covered by insurance in Australia or free if using the public services. Telehealth appointments, nurse on call etc, all free. Ambulance is paid for, but you can avoid that if you have simple ambulance cover , or comprehensive health insurance, or are a pensioner. To be fair the Phillipines is not squarely third world, it just has developing country aspects, if you have insurance and or money you can live quite well, as Chris is doing from the sound of it. Would I trade Aussie lifestyle for life there, no, not my cup of tea. Are you better off there, I would still argue no, as there are many problems that can still ruin your day that just don't exist in Australia, and I don't wish to deal with it in retirement. Fill your boots if you do. My major issues for me personally would be water quality and repeated exposure to Malaria and Dengue if you are there for enough wet seasons. At least the treatments for those are getting better. |
The argument is not whether the care is available there, but what time frame it would arrive. As long as there is a good paramedic service with fast transit via air service to a major hospital you will be a lot better off. No country has perfect hospitals We are way off topic anyways? As I said at the time and it seems we are getting sone reflections now of Australia’s COVID response, we should be nationally embarrassed. |
Standby for a reply now arguing the definition of "argument."
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Interesting…
“…Actuaries Australia estimate the increase in deaths in the first five months of the year was 12% higher than expected. They are the most conservative. The Australian Bureau of statistics (ABS) though calculates that so far in the first half of 2022 there were some 13,500 deaths more than the historical average. If they are correct that would be 17% above normal…” https://joannenova.com.au/2022/10/10...to-talk-about/ |
Originally Posted by Flying Binghi
(Post 11318234)
Interesting…
“…Actuaries Australia estimate the increase in deaths in the first five months of the year was 12% higher than expected. They are the most conservative. The Australian Bureau of statistics (ABS) though calculates that so far in the first half of 2022 there were some 13,500 deaths more than the historical average. If they are correct that would be 17% above normal…” https://joannenova.com.au/2022/10/10...to-talk-about/ |
Originally Posted by Flying Binghi
(Post 11318234)
Interesting…
Bascially Covid, long Covid complications and other infectious diseases. Not “vaccine injury”. 'No credible evidence' vaccines are behind rising Australian deaths |
I laugh at some of the medical comments re some places.
Google medical tourism. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11318267)
Not at all. There’s a rational explanation for that, and it’s has been reporting on openly by credible sources (in contrast to that conspiracy site’s “no one wants to talk about it” message).
Bascially Covid, long Covid complications and other infectious diseases. Not “vaccine injury”. 'No credible evidence' vaccines are behind rising Australian deaths Many of the so-called “long covid” symptoms are much the same as the ‘symptoms’ of hysteria. As to vaccine injury..? We’ll see in time I guess. I suspect many of the current extra deaths are related to the virus hysteria stoping people having a doctor visit to check out that lump, or nagging cough, or such, and leading to undiagnosed medical conditions that if treated earlier would not have caused a death. What we got is a lot of government lockdown created deaths. What we gots now is a building score card. In one column we got deaths due to government incompetence and hysteria in some people. In the other column we gots death due to the actual effects of the china virus. Of note is the fact that the average age of the claimed deaths due to the china virus is about the same as the age of all cause death… Hmmm……:hmm: . . … . . … . . |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11318267)
Not at all. There’s a rational explanation for that, and it’s has been reporting on openly by credible sources (in contrast to that conspiracy site’s “no one wants to talk about it” message).
Bascially Covid, long Covid complications and other infectious diseases. Not “vaccine injury”. 'No credible evidence' vaccines are behind rising Australian deaths The absence of available credible evidence does not disprove its existence; this is a scientific fundamental. No doubt the next eight years of "testing" will be enlightening. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11318267)
According to the study, the results suggested that YouTube comments sections could function as "under-regulated epistemic spaces" in which conspiracy theories could flourish. Because general dialogue, discussion and speech from the public obviously needs to be "more regulated" in response. Got anything to say that might go against the approved narrative? That needs regulation. Sounds more and more like the Chinese Communist party every day. |
Originally Posted by kingRB
(Post 11318284)
Because general dialogue, discussion and speech from the public obviously needs to be "more regulated" in response. Got anything to say that might go against the approved narrative? That needs regulation.
Sounds more and more like the Chinese Communist party every day. Either way the war was fought and won, the anti vaxxer/Covid Hoax movement has pretty much died in the backside, and the world has moved on. Only the crazies still harp on about it. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11318288)
Nah let’s discard what medical professionals have to say in favour of the YouTube comments section……. /s
You defeat bad ideas and mistruths by discussion and education of facts - not by censoring what people can and can't say. The only people seeking to stop speech are the ones that have something to hide, or don't have objective truth on their side. |
On the contrary it’s been proven that misinformation can be lethal. The average Joe doesn’t have the knowledge to interpret what is right or wrong, and can easily fall for disinformation if it is persuasive enough.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11318301)
On the contrary it’s been proven that misinformation can be lethal. The average Joe doesn’t have the knowledge to interpret what is right or wrong, and can easily fall for disinformation if it is persuasive enough.
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11318301)
Only the crazies still harp on about it.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11318301)
On the contrary it’s been proven that misinformation can be lethal. The average Joe doesn’t have the knowledge to interpret what is right or wrong, and can easily fall for disinformation if it is persuasive enough.
I see - and who gets to make the decision who the "average joe" is then? Who gets to decide who's permitted to speak and who's not then? Who decides what is permitted to be spoken? This leads only to one place = the State knows what's best for you, you'll shut up and comply |
Originally Posted by Rataxes
(Post 11318305)
... , IQs are declining and doing the thinking for everyone (aka nannyism) is partly to blame. ...
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Originally Posted by Rataxes
(Post 11318305)
Some people refer to the above as Darwin's Theory of Evolution or, more accurately, Natural Selection, at work. The Flynn Effect is over, IQs are declining and doing the thinking for everyone (aka nannyism) is partly to blame. The left would have you believe this is all a good thing but then wonder why idiots get hurt.
Like you? You seem particularly drawn to this topic, again and again. You seem to have something to prove and convince everyone (or possibly yourself) of. Buyer's remorse?
Originally Posted by MickG0105
(Post 11318334)
The data tends not to support that notion. Singapore, often recognised as the Nanny-state, has one of the highest national average IQs. Same same with Finland and Germany - routinely ranked high as Nanny-states also rank highly on national average IQs.
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Good to see this thread resuscitated in memory of our multi-personality contributor BNEA320. He is still around posting on other boards with yet more pseudonyms.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11318288)
Nah let’s discard what medical professionals have to say in favour of the YouTube comments section……. /s
Either way the war was fought and won, the anti vaxxer/Covid Hoax movement has pretty much died in the backside, and the world has moved on. Only the crazies still harp on about it. Lets have a look-see at what some of the so-called experts had to say. From two years ago, epidemiologist Raina Macintyre talks on TV and exposes her incompetence: . |
Sorry Binghi - you've been determined to be an average-joe, and therefore lack the knowledge to determine whether she was right or wrong. Please regulate your speech to stop spreading misinformation
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Good to see this thread is as bonkers as ever.
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Originally Posted by kingRB
(Post 11318860)
Sorry Binghi - you've been determined to be an average-joe, and therefore lack the knowledge to determine whether she was right or wrong. Please regulate your speech to stop spreading misinformation
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Reporter Avi Yemini covers the latest court case related to the china virus… hysteria:
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi
(Post 11319483)
Reporter Avi Yemini covers the latest court case related to the china virus… hysteria:
. . https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qWhGtbaSeBY |
Originally Posted by ladloy
(Post 11319485)
ah yes the reporter who beats his wife with a chopping board.
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi
(Post 11319487)
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