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Lezzeno 25th Oct 2022 04:08


Ah yes the reporter who beats his wife with a chopping board.
That justifies the actions of Victoria Police does it?

Flying Binghi 25th Oct 2022 04:09


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11319495)
As your best friend, Adam Bandt would say "Google it, mate".

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Whats the background of a currently officially Australian accredited journalist got to do with the interview of the chap that were assaulted by the Police ?

Ladloy, perhaps you have some information that would cause Avy Yemini to lose his accreditation ?
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Ladloy 25th Oct 2022 04:15


Originally Posted by Flying Binghi (Post 11319503)
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Whats the background of a currently officially Australian accredited journalist got to do with the interview of the chap that were assaulted by the Police ?

Ladloy, perhaps you have some information that would cause Avy Yemini to lose his accreditation ?
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:hmm:

What accreditation? Is this the whole $30 press pass accreditation? He plead guilty for assault for throwing a chopping board at his ex wife's head. Can you show me old mates accreditation?

Flying Binghi 25th Oct 2022 04:16

Continuing the back grounding…

Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial


https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635



And whats one of the ways to corrupt data…



Flying Binghi 25th Oct 2022 07:18


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11319504)
What accreditation? Is this the whole $30 press pass accreditation? He plead guilty for assault for throwing a chopping board at his ex wife's head. Can you show me old mates accreditation?

Ladloy, seems all yer got is to try and divert and to attack the reporter..:hmm:


Others have tried that… An apology from Victoria Police:


”…On each occasion, Mr Yemini was wrongfully arrested and detained by members of Victoria Police whilst reporting for Rebel News…”



Capn Rex Havoc 25th Oct 2022 07:56

Life is back to pre covid normals in the USA. Domestic flights are close to 100 percent full, and only the very occasional mask seen. Was in Belgium recently - nada- no masks, no social distancing, crowds at fairs, and markets - all pre covid normal. What a great scam that has been perpetrated on the world.

tossbag 25th Oct 2022 09:34

Ahhhhh, that's right, cos every dipsh!t reporting the news graduated from CSU with a journalism degree.

You can believe Avi, nothing to hide.

History will look back on VicPol for exactly what they are, government backed thugs, a branch of the government, like the Stasi. The figurehead of the cult of Dan. No one will ever wonder why or how the Jonestown mob swallowed the poison, they'll just look at Victoria.

dr dre 25th Oct 2022 13:25


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11319557)
Life is back to pre covid normals in the USA. Domestic flights are close to 100 percent full, and only the very occasional mask seen. Was in Belgium recently - nada- no masks, no social distancing, crowds at fairs, and markets - all pre covid normal. What a great scam that has been perpetrated on the world.

Did you miss the bit in the middle where everyone got vaccinated? That’s why the world is back near a “pre covid norm”, it’s not rocket science…..

Flying Binghi 25th Oct 2022 13:36


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11319732)
Did you miss the bit in the middle where everyone got vaccinated? That’s why the world is back near a “pre covid norm”, it’s not rocket science…..

Hmmm…I’m not vaccinated for the china virus..:cool:

From what I can see most of the world did not get a china virus vaccine…



dr dre 25th Oct 2022 14:03


Originally Posted by Flying Binghi (Post 11319740)
Hmmm…I’m not vaccinated for the china virus..:cool:

From what I can see most of the world did not get a china virus vaccine…

Actually over 70% of the world did, and you were already told in the JB thread why Africa’s lower rate did not affect it as much (average age).

It’s a bit redundant to have this conversation on a forum for professional pilots, when the vast, vast majority of Australian professional pilots have taken a vaccine. Almost some jobs didn’t require it, most did (including all airline pilots). Those who didn’t get vaccinated would’ve totalled no more than 0.2% per company.




Capn Rex Havoc 25th Oct 2022 16:42

Dr Dre, I think its less than 70% total vaxed for the US, anyway, the point is there are ZERO rules, displays of vax details, wearing of masks etc, I’m guessing Australia is still a nanny state, and covid fear still abounds….


Bend alot 25th Oct 2022 20:33


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11319732)
Did you miss the bit in the middle where everyone got vaccinated? That’s why the world is back near a “pre covid norm”, it’s not rocket science…..

Vaccinated against what?

The latest version raising alarms is an emerging subvariant of Omicron called
BA.2.75.2. It’s already gained the ability to evade the immunity provided by current vaccines and can’t be neutralized by many of the antiviral drug treatments available. So far, the strain has been reported in 47 countries and in 39 U.S. states,

https://time.com/6216760/ba-2-75-2-c...riant-vaccine/

ScepticalOptomist 25th Oct 2022 21:30


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11319956)
Vaccinated against what?

The latest version raising alarms is an emerging subvariant of Omicron called
BA.2.75.2. It’s already gained the ability to evade the immunity provided by current vaccines and can’t be neutralized by many of the antiviral drug treatments available. So far, the strain has been reported in 47 countries and in 39 U.S. states,

https://time.com/6216760/ba-2-75-2-c...riant-vaccine/


No one cares anymore apart from the perpetually scared.

From the moment we’re born, we’re dying.

ThunderstormFactory 25th Oct 2022 21:39


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11319839)
Dr Dre, I think its less than 70% total vaxed for the US, anyway, the point is there are ZERO rules, displays of vax details, wearing of masks etc, I’m guessing Australia is still a nanny state, and covid fear still abounds….

This is incorrect. Besides the fact that you are required to be vaccinated to even enter the country, masks are still required in Texas of all places at certain locations such as federal buildings and hospitals/medical buildings. Also you’ll see quite a high percentage of customer facing jobs’ employees wearing masks; more than back home anyway.

Capn Rex Havoc 26th Oct 2022 01:28


Besides the fact that you are required to be vaccinated to even enter the country,
not if you are American

lots of places have signs still up requiring masks - totally ignored by people, no one gives a **** anymore.


Gunner747400 26th Oct 2022 01:33


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11320058)
not if you are American

lots of places have signs still up requiring masks - totally ignored by people, no one gives a **** anymore.

So the same as here.

Stop spouting crap.

Flying Binghi 26th Oct 2022 03:30


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11319759)
Actually over 70% of the world did, and you were already told in the JB thread why Africa’s lower rate did not affect it as much (average age).

It’s a bit redundant to have this conversation on a forum for professional pilots, when the vast, vast majority of Australian professional pilots have taken a vaccine. Almost some jobs didn’t require it, most did (including all airline pilots). Those who didn’t get vaccinated would’ve totalled no more than 0.2% per company.

Hmmm… so its 70% now. A couple of posts ago it were everyone got vaccinated…

“…Did you miss the bit in the middle where everyone got vaccinated? That’s why the world is back near a “pre covid norm”, it’s not rocket science…”

:hmm:



Meanwhile, over in Germany the investigations continue. Could it be that the ‘vaccines’ were never really all that effective, a placebo perhaps…

“…The mRNA vaccines are having little or no effect on the severity of the infection, it’s becoming clear. Now this has been confirmed by Germany’s Minister of Health, Karl Lauterbach at a Parliamentary hearing in Berlin yesterday…”


https://notrickszone.com/2022/10/25/...not-prevented/

Bend alot 26th Oct 2022 06:28


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11319992)
No one cares anymore apart from the perpetually scared.

From the moment we’re born, we’re dying.


Oh many still care and still push to get others vaccinated - even though the manufactures admitted "2 doses do little if anything against omnicron variant" you need a "booster (mostly not required in Australia) to have "reasonable" protection against the new variant.

So many still are perpetually sheeply scared, and will wear masks while swimming if they are mandated or told to do so on 7/9/abc/sbs or the cartoon network.

How it would be nice they did not care anymore or better still look over the past 2 years & how the narrative has changed - remember the ventilator shortage? that one went silent very early ( I guess you can get them by the dozen on ebay now).

dr dre 26th Oct 2022 07:48


Originally Posted by Flying Binghi (Post 11320081)
Meanwhile, over in Germany the investigations continue. Could it be that the ‘vaccines’ were never really all that effective, a placebo perhaps…

Did you read a few sentences further on:

“People come to the hospitals and survive the illness because they were vaccinated. And if they weren’t vaccinated, then the course of the illness would be much more serious and more people would die.”

Bend alot 26th Oct 2022 08:32

Did they supply the data and evidence for that comment or (like all others) is privy info that the statement was made?

Please supply the transparent link from the govt announcements and how that decision/statement/mandate was formed - or is it top secret info you can not handle?

WA McClown banned unstabbed from bottle shops - within a few weeks it was safe to sell booze to unstabbed again!!

Your health is not important in things like that! But that is what they told you & many believe it was for the safety.

Really - got to get my pig with wings to play Santa with much of the rubbish - now being confirmed as WRONG/INCORRECT most importantly as POLITICAL.

Capn Rex Havoc 26th Oct 2022 14:00

NY Supreme Court orders reinstatement of fired untaxed staff, with backpay, says “Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting COVID 19” Adding that the mandates were “about compliance”
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Flying Binghi 27th Oct 2022 03:30


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11320140)
Did you read a few sentences further on:

“People come to the hospitals and survive the illness because they were vaccinated. And if they weren’t vaccinated, then the course of the illness would be much more serious and more people would die.”

Except that originally people were told if they get vaccinated they would not get the virus. Then it changed to..

“…When a German parliamentarian asked Lauterbach why so many vaccinated people were winding up hospitalized with COVID despite being vaccinated after being promised they would get only mild cases, the Health Minister could no longer deny it, conceding vaccinated people were indeed suffering in hospitals from severe cases. Lauterbach was left with no choice – he had to concoct a new promise: If you get vaccinated, you won’t die of serious COVID in the hospital…”


https://notrickszone.com/2022/10/25/...not-prevented/

Flying Binghi 7th Nov 2022 00:22


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11320140)
Did you read a few sentences further on:

“People come to the hospitals and survive the illness because they were vaccinated. And if they weren’t vaccinated, then the course of the illness would be much more serious and more people would die.”

Or… We could have a look-see at this study:

“…study of five million clients of US Veterans Affairs health services found that for the vaccinated, reinfection resulted in more serious health outcomes than their initial infection. In other words, vaccination including boosters did not decrease the risk of reinfection among clients of US veterans health services but did increase the severity of symptoms. Nor did vaccination provide any more protection against reinfection than the unvaccinated had…”


https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1749502/v1

Comments via: https://hatchardreport.com/dr-helen-petousis-harris-backtracked-on-her-previous-overwhelmingly-pro-vaccine-advice-and-said-enough-is-enough/


:hmm:

Kent Based 14th Nov 2022 16:50


Originally Posted by Flying Binghi (Post 11326553)
Or… We could have a look-see at this study:

“…study of five million clients of US Veterans Affairs health services found that for the vaccinated, reinfection resulted in more serious health outcomes than their initial infection. In other words, vaccination including boosters did not decrease the risk of reinfection among clients of US veterans health services but did increase the severity of symptoms. Nor did vaccination provide any more protection against reinfection than the unvaccinated had…”


https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1749502/v1

It's worth actually reading that link. The study says nothing of the sort re vaccination increasing severity of symptoms. It would be incredible if the study really said that as the whole world would be jumping on it.

The guy who you quoted seems a little unreliable. He's notorious for copying made up facts and disclaims any responsibility for that. He is not even a medical doctor. He has given different accounts of what subject he is a doctor in!

It's bad form to link to a report and then show a summary of it which is made up BS.

Flying Binghi 14th Nov 2022 17:42


Originally Posted by Kent Based (Post 11330795)
It's worth actually reading that link. The study says nothing of the sort re vaccination increasing severity of symptoms. It would be incredible if the study really said that as the whole world would be jumping on it.

The guy who you quoted seems a little unreliable. He's notorious for copying made up facts and disclaims any responsibility for that. He is not even a medical doctor. He has given different accounts of what subject he is a doctor in!

It's bad form to link to a report and then show a summary of it which is made up BS.

Hmmm… if he is a “little unreliable” then you can offer up some quotes of same… ?..:hmm:

Re the study. I revisited the study that I linked to via The Hatchard Report (THR) and noted it were an abstract of a pre-print dated 17/June/22. Following the link at that site gives the current release published 10/November/22. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3

The THR claims were made reference the pre-print version. As I am unable to read the full pre-print version I do not know what changes were made for publication so am unable to comment on veracity of the conclusions that THR made. I am yet to fully read the current release.



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Kent Based 14th Nov 2022 18:05

I just showed you an example where what he claimed is not substantiated in the report you linked.

Perhaps you can tell us what your quoted Dr is a doctor of?

Bend alot 14th Nov 2022 18:39

About a years back pay for 5 drivers. They are running up fast atm at the Fairwork place.

https://rebekahbarnett.substack.com/...-train-drivers

Flying Binghi 14th Nov 2022 18:41


Originally Posted by Kent Based (Post 11330824)
I just showed you an example where what he claimed is not substantiated in the report you linked.

Perhaps you can tell us what your quoted Dr is a doctor of?

That’s it then. Only one example..:hmm:

As to his Dr claims… https://hatchardreport.com/about-guy/


Certainly a bit of a ‘different’ sort of chap..;)

Kent Based 14th Nov 2022 19:24

I'm pointing out the claim re the vaccinated is baseless. You added the links yourself and there's enough in them to show the report doesn't back his claim.

Your latest link has added nothing to make me believe anything he says.

TimmyTee 14th Nov 2022 19:33

Who could have guessed that the climate change denying guy also is against vaccinations!?

Flying Binghi 14th Nov 2022 19:59


Originally Posted by TimmyTee (Post 11330860)
Who could have guessed that the climate change denying guy also is against vaccinations!?

I spot a Bot…

;)

Flying Binghi 14th Nov 2022 20:07


Originally Posted by Kent Based (Post 11330857)
I'm pointing out the claim re the vaccinated is baseless. You added the links yourself and there's enough in them to show the report doesn't back his claim.

Your latest link has added nothing to make me believe anything he says.

:)

I don’t agree with every thing posted on the site: https://hatchardreport.com/


…back to the research papers. Kent Based, you do understand the difference between the preprint and published versions of a research paper ?



:hmm:

slats11 14th Nov 2022 22:12


Originally Posted by Flying Binghi (Post 11326553)
Or… We could have a look-see at this study:

“…study of five million clients of US Veterans Affairs health services found that for the vaccinated, reinfection resulted in more serious health outcomes than their initial infection. In other words, vaccination including boosters did not decrease the risk of reinfection among clients of US veterans health services but did increase the severity of symptoms. Nor did vaccination provide any more protection against reinfection than the unvaccinated had…”



Fear-mongering nonsense..

This VA study (like the VA long Covid study) is junk. An observational study looking for associations. That's it.

The group that got reinfected was way sicker at baseline.
Look at Supp table 1 and Supp table 6 (support data is where authors bury all the data they have to include, but know that the lay press will never read).
Way more lived in residential aged care (nursing homes) - 6.8 V 2.6%
More type 2 diabetes - 36% V 32%
More anxiety (23 v 15%) and depression (21 v 15%) - these are very significant comorbidities regarding propensity to report other symptoms)
During the FIRST infection, those patients who subsequently got reinfected were more likely to be admitted to hospital (18% V 9%), more likely to be admitted to ICU (5 V 2%), and more likely to receive antivirals & immunomodulators (17 V 12%) compared to those who didn't get reinfected. than those who didn't get infected.

The reinfected group also had a far poorer immunisation history than those who were not reinfected. Thus, 62% of those not reinfected had received no immunisations, while 87% of those reinfected had received no immunisations (this is historical data which is why these numbers are so low)

So those who got reinfected were sicker across a range of measures, had received fewer vaccinations. and their 1st infection was (not surprisingly) more severe than those who did not get reinfected.

This study only shows that frailer sicker non-immunised people do worse. That's it.

TimmyTee 15th Nov 2022 02:38


Originally Posted by Flying Binghi (Post 11330868)
I spot a Bot…

;)

and I spot tin foil. A lot of tin foil.

Kent Based 15th Nov 2022 15:05


Originally Posted by Flying Binghi (Post 11330870)
:)

…back to the research papers. Kent Based, you do understand the difference between the preprint and published versions of a research paper ?

:hmm:

It's not difficult
1) You saw a claim which seems incredible
2) You cut and pasted the claim without checking if it was true.
3) You also pasted the supporting link. I don't know whether you read that, understood that or even bothered to examine the link at all?
4) The fact that your link doesn't support your claim is an issue you caused by blindly cut and pasting.

I know most covid vaccine deniers like to proclaim that they "do their own research". Perhaps try examining your sources in future?

Flying Binghi 16th Nov 2022 00:43


Originally Posted by TimmyTee (Post 11330982)
and I spot tin foil. A lot of tin foil.

I spot a preschooler Bot…;)

Flying Binghi 16th Nov 2022 00:44


Originally Posted by Kent Based (Post 11331299)
It's not difficult
1) You saw a claim which seems incredible
2) You cut and pasted the claim without checking if it was true.
3) You also pasted the supporting link. I don't know whether you read that, understood that or even bothered to examine the link at all?
4) The fact that your link doesn't support your claim is an issue you caused by blindly cut and pasting.

I know most covid vaccine deniers like to proclaim that they "do their own research". Perhaps try examining your sources in future?

Hmmm…

Kent Based, you do understand the difference between the preprint and published versions of a research paper ?


:hmm:

Angle of Attack 16th Nov 2022 11:36

I understand the difference between a boomer crapping on about how bad vaccines are and the difference between a boomer with a real life. Get over it tossers…the rest of the world is getting on with it, Jesus Christ…, now go and check on your rapidly declining property investments…

All hat and no cows 16th Nov 2022 14:43


Originally Posted by ThunderstormFactory (Post 11319998)
This is incorrect. Besides the fact that you are required to be vaccinated to even enter the country, masks are still required in Texas of all places at certain locations such as federal buildings and hospitals/medical buildings. Also you’ll see quite a high percentage of customer facing jobs’ employees wearing masks; more than back home anyway.

Not true, in Texas the only places where masks were required after the first few months were those places where the federal govt ruled, like the airport.

Flying Binghi 16th Nov 2022 18:36


Originally Posted by slats11 (Post 11330931)

Fear-mongering nonsense..

This VA study (like the VA long Covid study) is junk. An observational study looking for associations. That's it.

The group that got reinfected was way sicker at baseline.
Look at Supp table 1 and Supp table 6 (support data is where authors bury all the data they have to include, but know that the lay press will never read).
Way more lived in residential aged care (nursing homes) - 6.8 V 2.6%
More type 2 diabetes - 36% V 32%
More anxiety (23 v 15%) and depression (21 v 15%) - these are very significant comorbidities regarding propensity to report other symptoms)
During the FIRST infection, those patients who subsequently got reinfected were more likely to be admitted to hospital (18% V 9%), more likely to be admitted to ICU (5 V 2%), and more likely to receive antivirals & immunomodulators (17 V 12%) compared to those who didn't get reinfected. than those who didn't get infected.

The reinfected group also had a far poorer immunisation history than those who were not reinfected. Thus, 62% of those not reinfected had received no immunisations, while 87% of those reinfected had received no immunisations (this is historical data which is why these numbers are so low)

So those who got reinfected were sicker across a range of measures, had received fewer vaccinations. and their 1st infection was (not surprisingly) more severe than those who did not get reinfected.

This study only shows that frailer sicker non-immunised people do worse. That's it.

I haven’t read the paper in depth yet. slats11, you seem to have read the paper in depth. Reference the published paper, can you tell us what defined being vaccinated ? For example, the minute somebody receives their first vaccine, are they considered as vaccinated ? …or might it be they are not considered vaccinated until say two weeks after they receive the vaccine ?




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