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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
(Post 11177533)
I am not convinced the WA lockdown means much to eastern states aviation activity. There are no border restrictions here in the engine room of the economy*, yet the terminals are pretty much deserted, and the few flights well under capacity. I am just starting a roster and will be lucky to do half of my pre covid hours.
*gratuitous piss take of WA For instance all Honolulu flights have been suspended until the end of March. |
I heard on ABC this morning that households managed to squirrel away 240 Billion dollars in the last two years, and companies likewise had savings. While the government is calling this an “economic war chest”, it remains to be seen how this translates into pent-up demand. Since the building industry is unable to absorb all of those funds I am hoping that the punters rush back into travel.
As an aside, I can drive 77kms to the airport unfettered now-a once fantasy that isn’t that delicious after all. |
It sure as hell ain't ourhousehold. I did the numbers last month on the assumption I'd be going back to work next week. We (I) have lost about $350,000 due to the WA border closure. That's made up of slightly under two years lost salary (but still increasing now....), about 10 months worth of accrued annual & long service leave I had saved and was forced to take, $50,000 in lost superannuation and $15,000 in lost bonuses - and a lot of my FIFO colleagues are in a similar situation.
I'd love to know who's been able to save that kind of coin, because it is nearly $9,500 for every man, woman and child in the country. |
I’ve lived in 6 countries and worked long term in numerous others; I have never seen accrued household wealth and savings used as a metric of a nations financial well-being.
GDP, GNP, Exports, Reserves - yes. How much Wayne and Shirl have in the bank - nope. |
Article is behind paywall but has Mark had another thought this morning ?
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Originally Posted by Torukmacto
(Post 11177994)
Article is behind paywall but has Mark had another thought this morning ?
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I think Alan Joyce said it better, comparing WA to North Korea.
Maye AJ would have more luck getting McCoward to pull his head out of his asre than Scotty from Marketing, "If you don't open the border by 28th Feb, QF9+10 will go via Darwin forevermore!" |
Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 11179588)
I think Alan Joyce said it better, comparing WA to North Korea.
Maye AJ would have more luck getting McCoward to pull his head out of his asre than Scotty from Marketing, "If you don't open the border by 28th Feb, QF9+10 will go via Darwin forevermore!" AJ also probably knows that the delay is likely to be short lived, several weeks or so. Probably won't effect those services which weren't due to restart until April. But he needs to make headlines some how to put the pressure on, so you then get those attention grabbing comparisons. I would even say the pressure being put on WA by airlines to open up is more due to their need to make profits in domestic interstate flying. No doubt the coffers of airlines have taken a big hit in January and upcoming in February and March. Approx 40% drop in domestic capacity, mostly due to the drop in demand from the eastern states. That's were the real money is made. They also know interstate flying in and out of WA will help restore that lost revenue. So I'd say the pressure from Joyce is more to announce a date to restore confidence in booking on the domestic network primarily. |
Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 11179588)
I think Alan Joyce said it better, comparing WA to North Korea.
Maye AJ would have more luck getting McCoward to pull his head out of his asre than Scotty from Marketing, "If you don't open the border by 28th Feb, QF9+10 will go via Darwin forevermore!" I dont agree with what is happening in WA but why doesnt he compare HK to Nth Korea! I guess its because he likes to think he is important here in oz but hasnt got a set big enough to publicly criticise the Chinese & its not too long ago he found out with the failed JQ Hong Kong fiasco just how important he is up there. |
Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 11179594)
Its interesting to note that AJ never criticises the Hong Kong regime over their border being virtually closed.
I dont agree with what is happening in WA but why doesnt he compare HK to Nth Korea! I guess its because he likes to think he is important here in oz but hasnt got a set big enough to publicly criticise the Chinese & its not too long ago he found out with the failed JQ Hong Kong fiasco just how important he is up there. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11179592)
I think McGowan has the "sort of" upper hand. He knows there's enough local UK born in WA that there is always going to be a market for direct flights, plus there are practical limitations in Darwin with terminal and apron size etc.
AJ also probably knows that the delay is likely to be short lived, several weeks or so. Probably won't effect those services which weren't due to restart until April. But he needs to make headlines some how to put the pressure on, so you then get those attention grabbing comparisons. I would even say the pressure being put on WA by airlines to open up is more due to their need to make profits in domestic interstate flying. No doubt the coffers of airlines have taken a big hit in January and upcoming in February and March. Approx 40% drop in domestic capacity, mostly due to the drop in demand from the eastern states. That's were the real money is made. They also know interstate flying in and out of WA will help restore that lost revenue. |
Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 11179594)
Its interesting to note that AJ never criticises the Hong Kong regime over their border being virtually closed.
I dont agree with what is happening in WA but why doesnt he compare HK to Nth Korea! I guess its because he likes to think he is important here in oz but hasnt got a set big enough to publicly criticise the Chinese & its not too long ago he found out with the failed JQ Hong Kong fiasco just how important he is up there. |
FEBRUARY 21 2022 - Save the date. That is when (double vaccinated) tourists & tennis players are allowed quarantine-free entry to Victoria, NSW, Queensland, SA, Tasmania, the NT & the ACT.
Those wishing to enter The Democratic Peoples Republic of McGowanland will have to wait until until at least 2023 and will need to show proof of having had their 5th booster, a negative PCR test in the 48 hours prior to travel & agree having their movements tracked 24/7 for the first 21 days using the SafeWA app. *
Originally Posted by News.com
Scott Morrison makes major travel announcement
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has made a major announcement on international travel following a high-level meeting. Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed back into the country from February 21. A high-level meeting of the federal national security committee met on Monday to discuss when the border could reopen to international tourists. Under current restrictions only Australian citizens and permanent residents, their families, and those with certain visas and exemptions are allowed to enter the country. But two years after he first shuttered the borders, Mr Morrison declared double vaccinated arrivals would be welcomed back. “If you’re double vaccinated, we look forward to welcoming you back to Australia and I know the tourism industry will be looking forward to that,” he told reporters in Canberra. Unvaccinated arrivals will still need to apply for a travel exemption and will have to provide proof they cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. Mr Morrison said the high profile deportation of Novak Djokovic should serve as a warning to those seeking to bend the rules. “Your visa is one thing but your entry into Australia requires you also to be double vaccinated,” Mr Morrison said. “I think events earlier in the year should have sent a very clear message to everyone around the world that is the requirement to enter into Australia.”But in a twist, incoming tourists will not be required to have received a third dose of the Covid-19 vaccine, even if the nation’s expert immunisation panel expands the definition to include the booster dose. Mr Morrison said chief medical officer Paul Kelly signed off on the double dose arrangement, given the “various arrangement” of third doses across the different countries.The announcement will come as welcome news for the tourism sector smashed by the pandemic. Asked if he could assure the sector he would not pull the rug from under them prior to the reopening, Mr Morrison indicated it was unlikely. “The fact is here in Australia, the variant is here in Australia. And for those who are coming in who are double vaccinated, they don’t present any greater risk than those who are already here in Australia,” he said. “It's a sensible and I think very important move for us to make as we sort of, as best as we possibly can this year drive Australia back to a position of as much normality as we can achieve.” Source |
This will only serve to make WA look even more backward.
I think McGowan will have to open in March. |
Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 11180806)
*Statement may or may not be true
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11180826)
We knew that already. We saw who posted it.
Afterall, you can't believe a thing he says, either...:= |
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 11180808)
This will only serve to make WA look even more backward.
I think McGowan will have to open in March. He is still running with, he is the lord savior and saving lives. |
The muppet WA State Gov are advertising on Melbourne radio (3AW and TripleM) for people to move to WA for a ‘better life’. Can’t even get in the joint and they’re spending tax payers money on rubbish ads! Common sense would say spend some money on your hospitals and reduce ambulance waiting times…
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The muppet WA State Gov are advertising on Melbourne radio (3AW and TripleM) for people to move to WA for a ‘better life’. Can’t even get in the joint and they’re spending tax payers money on rubbish ads! Common sense would say spend some money on your hospitals and reduce ambulance waiting times… Maybe there is no TV in Vic? |
The so called deaths out of control in QLD is because a shitload of boomers decided not to get vaccinated or decided to resist the booster, I mean you can’t make this shit up these idiots are dying because of their own choices, they deserve to die if they haven’t taken all the precautions so far. WA is now shitting over QLD on vaccination rates, that’s the reason right there. What else can I say? You deny, you die, it’s pretty bloody simple if your an old bastard.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11180834)
Well I think you’re off the mark. MM saying just now there is no date, re affirming deaths are out of control referencing QLD. WA is to remain closed without a date in sight. Not even committing to a vaccination number.
There were 9 local cases that day, 22 the next. Today there were 26. Hardly the definition of “very high”, yet here we are. My point being his language changes when it needs to, often on the day. The announcement of the “very high caseload environment” today was a surprise to me, I thought this step was going to come in a few weeks when cases hit the hundreds and then a reopening weeks later. So they’ve jumped ahead of the timeframe I was thinking they were going to do. They CHO is doing a review of opening options by 4 weeks from their original delay, which is next week. One could surmise they’re implementing that reopening plan now, and should be opening by March. |
Well now Australia is joining the world Feb 21st, WA may as well open up.
If he does decide to open in March (optimistic) WA will have to do a full opening 0-100 because the eastern states have opened international borders it would be pointless for WA to just open domestically with restrictions and closed internationally. MM has messed this up and missed his chance to open “safely” as he calls it. |
Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
(Post 11180916)
The so called deaths out of control in QLD is because a shitload of boomers decided not to get vaccinated or decided to resist the booster, I mean you can’t make this shit up these idiots are dying because of their own choices, they deserve to die if they haven’t taken all the precautions so far. WA is now shitting over QLD on vaccination rates, that’s the reason right there. What else can I say? You deny, you die, it’s pretty bloody simple if your an old bastard.
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Lost in all this narrative is; what developments are there in actual treatment of the condition.
Regardless of vax no vax….. An individual gets Covid, is told to isolate at home. No support or treatment advice is actually given apart from, “call an ambulance” if things go south. Throughout this entire event. The medical profession has been hobbled by politics and bullshit. At what point have doctors been left to treat patients without the fear of breaking some health directive or eco-political agend? The overall medical outcome In this country is terrible. So many questions…… |
Let me guess…Invermectin fan? Hydrochloroquine?
And WTF is an eco-political agenda? |
So, Mc Gowan is now issuing the daily Covid cases figures split into 3 categorys. Local cases, Interstate traveler cases and International arrival cases.
He is also listing the death figures from other states in his press briefings. The highest case figures today are Interstate travelers. Wonder if he is going to use these figures to further restrict inbound travel. Or something else on his agenda. |
The overall medical outcome In this country is terrible Give one example where this is not the case. |
Just a thought.......
A 'Particular Problem' in WA at the mo., is that the hospitals are ALL 'understaffed', nurses and docs are run 'off their combined feet', ambulance ramping is 'rampart'. Due to staff shortages due the Virus and 'isolations'...... So, naturally, the WA Gummint HAS TO cancel 'non urgent' surgery, and 'other treatments' so as to leave 'some beds' available for the inevitable......following the introduction of people - yes fellow humans - back into WA ('cause they actually live here' / 'used to live here'...) BUT.....they MIGHT bring in the 'dreaded lurgy'. So, 'we' politicians just 'close the gate'.......ZIMPLES!!! To protect our 'authority AND our jobs' of course.....WHO SAID THAT??? No names......But without an 'effective' opposition....(in WA).....WOT CAN ONE DO?? Even some business leaders are re-locating to the 'East' 'cause they reckon they cannot do business here to an adequate satisfaction.....so they say. So, the PM opens the gates to INTL arrivals by air, and then what? Does the WA Premier say 'NYET'..?? Interesting times ahead methinks. Cheers ..... |
Originally Posted by Ex FSO GRIFFO
(Post 11181528)
Just a thought.......
A 'Particular Problem' in WA at the mo., is that the hospitals are ALL 'understaffed', nurses and docs are run 'off their combined feet', ambulance ramping is 'rampart'. Due to staff shortages due the Virus and 'isolations'...... So, naturally, the WA Gummint HAS TO cancel 'non urgent' surgery, and 'other treatments' so as to leave 'some beds' available for the inevitable......following the introduction of people - yes fellow humans - back into WA ('cause they actually live here' / 'used to live here'...) BUT.....they MIGHT bring in the 'dreaded lurgy'. So, 'we' politicians just 'close the gate'.......ZIMPLES!!! To protect our 'authority AND our jobs' of course.....WHO SAID THAT??? No names......But without an 'effective' opposition....(in WA).....WOT CAN ONE DO?? Even some business leaders are re-locating to the 'East' 'cause they reckon they cannot do business here to an adequate satisfaction.....so they say. So, the PM opens the gates to INTL arrivals by air, and then what? Does the WA Premier say 'NYET'..?? Interesting times ahead methinks. Cheers ..... For the majority of the fully vaccinated, life is almost back to normal. Fortunately the prevelant C19 strain now seems to be more an inconvenience than a debilitating illness. |
My wife and I left Tasmania last week and are now in Philippines. No issues as got a PCR covid test at Melb airport and got result in 40min. No testing or quarantining in Philippines since 1st Feb. Everyone is just getting on with things here. We do need to show our International vax printout to get into many shopping malls and banks and wear a mask indoors. There is not the atmosphere of fear that Oz pollys and media keep whipping up.
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
(Post 11181295)
Let me guess…Invermectin fan? Hydrochloroquine?
And WTF is an eco-political agenda? ecopolitics1[ ek-oh-pol-i-tiks, ee-koh- ]SHOW IPA noun (used with a singular verb) the study of politics as influenced by economic power. Apologies for the inappropriate use of the hyphen. Why the judgement and assumption shags? Jist pointing an observation out. |
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 11181504)
That is just flat out wrong. By any measure our health outcomes are some of the best in the world.
Give one example where this is not the case. The real damage is that every other ailment and condition does not enter a lockdown just because of the pandemic. There is no need for me to give you one case. If you have no one in your circle affected, then I would say you are very lucky. |
shitload of boomers decided not to get vaccinated As to the un-vaxxed that I know, all are 40 something who think that either COVID is a conspiracy, the vaxs are experimental, because the Govt is pushing the vaxs or their health (vegan) life style will beat it. . I am referring to the cancellation of elective (cat 3,2) surgery; The only cancellation I know of is the closing of the fracture clinic in a large regional hospital. |
Originally Posted by 601
(Post 11181803)
Of all the "boomers" I know, not one has not been fully vaxxed.
I know only one boomer who is unvaxxed and he's so far into conspiracy theories that he makes Graham Hood look sane. |
Again, I don't know of any who have had elective surgery cancelled.
The only cancellation I know of is the closing of the fracture clinic in a large regional hospital.[/QUOTE] This has been reported. Contact any major hospital and ask about elective surgery. It is fact. |
There is no need for me to give you one case. That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. Have a great day. |
Originally Posted by fl dutchman
(Post 11181492)
So, Mc Gowan is now issuing the daily Covid cases figures split into 3 categorys. Local cases, Interstate traveler cases and International arrival cases.
McGowan and Sanderson (Health Minister) have used the high number of interstate traveller cases to defend their decision to continue the quarantine requirements for travellers. According to the Health Minister: “Had we not made the decision to update our safe transition plan these people would be in our community and our locally acquired cases numbers would likely be growing rapidly.” As things stand, the number of local cases has remained relatively stable. That said, the true number of local cases might be masked by the relatively low testing rate. |
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 11181842)
So if there is no need for you to show evidence of your assertion then I will go with this...
That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. Have a great day. |
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