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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11074757)
Lockdowns are a bad policy. Especially “snap” or “circuit breaker” lockdowns that contribute to business uncertainty.
Maybe not in tatoo parlours and gyms but businesses that actually produce something. |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11074766)
And yet, business confidence in W.A. is the highest seen for decades.
Lock at the effect of the “circuit breaker” lockdown in Victoria for actual evidence. WA is it’s own special place. |
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11074769)
.......................... You can hardly link WA with evidence against lockdowns. ..............
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WA is a Lockout place NOT a Lockdown place.
The economy effects are more comparable to Australia's Lockout we have with the rest of the World. There have been some gang buster sectors in Australia's economy during our Lockout, but that depends on what glass you have been given. |
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Originally Posted by Fonz121
(Post 11074601)
Personally I think it’s great that it’s out in the community bubbling along. Everyone needs to lose the elimination mindset, it’s not going to happen. The only way restrictions get relaxed is when the general public finally accept that a Covid case is not ‘Breaking News’.
Additionally, every single person in this country (over 18) has now had a chance to vaccinate. If you are that worried about getting Covid you can get the vaccine available. If not, you can have your own private lockdown where you work from home and get everything delivered. |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11074810)
And yet, in the 5687 posts above yours, that is EXACTLY what has been asserted multiple times.
NOT Lockouts/border controls. (WA) There is a massive difference between the two!! |
Seriously? Every adult in Australia has been offered the vaccine? Yet only 8% of Australians are fully vaccinated? Either you are the world capitol of anti-vaxxers or I think you may be mistaken on your statement. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c2bcac3f80.jpg |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11074766)
And yet, business confidence in W.A. is the highest seen for decades.
Maybe not in tatoo parlours and gyms but businesses that actually produce something. Equating state business confidence solely to the lack of lockdowns, without recognizing the role WA's border restrictions play is disingenuous and doesn't reflect the whole story... |
Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 11075063)
Equating state business confidence solely to the lack of lockdown.......... |
Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 11074450)
You can think of it as being ignorant of those overseas or as it being unAustralian, but while I've always subscribed to the concept of 'doing the right thing', I don't believe it should be done 'at any cost'. That's what people are suggesting. "Reopen the borders, bring our people home, let them quarantine at home, it'll be fine!'
Except it won't be.The PPE for the staff to process you. The ongoing & repetitive cleaning of the vehicles used to transport you. The overtime and diversion of GD police to monitor the respective HQ sites. The salaries of the security guards who monitor the corridors, government-sponsored repatriation flights, if you can get one. And let's not forget, the hundreds of millions of dollars it costs your fellow Australian's whennot if it gets out of HQ again, because some asreclown of a driver of the flightcrew who brought you over wasn't vaccinated, caught it, and spread the love throughout the eastern suburbs, or an UberEats driver tarried in the corridor delivering someone's dinner. More returnee's = more flightcrew = more chance of it getting out, even if you quarantine at home!. Going back to pre-Covid flight numbers, which some here seem to be suggesting happen, will likely result in a similar number of flight & cabin crew in HQ as we have returning citizens now. And as we've proven so many times, HQ can't keep it contained, and that being the case, where is the reward for the additional risk? You say you can quarantine at home. Fat chance of that. We have seen far too many examples of returning citizens, or even interstate travelers breaking out of the HQ system, the old couple who was reported to have triggered the northern beaches outbreak after they decided to go for lunch at the RSL, HQ guards getting it on with 'inmates', the bird who climbed down two balconies and broke a door to get out.... Face facts - people cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Vaccinated or not. Home quarantine or not. Most people will play by the rules but there will always be those that don't! And that's probably why home quarantine isn't even on their radar. Because sooner or later, someone will decide home-quarantine isn't all its' cracked up to be, will go to the shops and will spread it through the community. Being vaccinated simply means there is less risk of it happening. If I read that right, 5% of those in that chart were vaccinated of some description, and still caught, or had, the pestilence. If you apply that to the so-called magic figure of 30,000 overseas citizens, that's still 1,500 people coming home, to suggested home quarantine, with the virus. Even reducing it to the 2% reported to be fully vaccinated still gives you 600 people coming home with it. Whether that number will stay static or reduce as time goes on, I can't say. If it doesn't though, the Government will be knowingly importing Covid at a rate of roughly 4 cases per aircraft (assuming 200 pax), with the core belief that every one of those people will not pass it on to their housemates or family while they are in home quarantine.....Until we reach herd immunity or the vaccination target, I can't see that happening... Repatriating Australians stimulate the economy at a time when the economic panacea of immigration is on hold. You have no idea what goes on in hotel quarantine! Uber drivers don't deliver. And why the hell aren't transport staff vaccinated? Just as quarantine staff must be. The Fox Footy channel wasn't working in my hotel and it took a week to find a vaccinated technician. Stop making stuff up! This brings me back to what are the risks of a COVID tested and COVID vaccinated fellow Australian repatriating, passing on COVID, to a COVID vaccinated, daily COVID tested, hotel quarantine staff member in PPE equipment? What are now the chances of community spillage? Near zero. Wow! There's a big problem solved. The caveat being repatriating Australians lying about their vaccination status. This may be the case in the positive cases of NSW vaccinated returnees and it is easily countered by presenting legitimate vaccination evidence. I had to offer my vaccination status to the Vic Government who mixed me up with returnees from high risk countries. The most frightening issue with COVID, is the common sense solutions, lost on those who would rather live in irrational fear. |
Western Australia Premier @MarkMcGowanMP has threatened an indefinite border closure with New South Wales until the virus has been “crushed and killed”.
The others will follow. She will basically be her own state with spread and open to nobody. However the people of that state will be able to move about the state I guess. Alan is going to need more cash soon. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11075098)
Western Australia Premier @MarkMcGowanMP has threatened an indefinite border closure with New South Wales until the virus has been “crushed and killed”.
The others will follow. She will basically be her own state with spread and open to nobody. However the people of that state will be able to move about the state I guess. Alan is going to need more cash soon. NSW should concentrate on its own citizens now, including limiting repatriation to NSW residents only for the duration of this lockdown. If WA wishes to repatriate WA residents then they can make that decision. |
Controlling the masses with fear . Politics 101 . Take your life back , protect your family and friends and be part of the solution to get life back to a new normal . Get vaccinated!
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The most frightening issue with COVID, is the common sense solutions, lost on those who would rather live in irrational fear. |
Originally Posted by Torukmacto
(Post 11075104)
Controlling the masses with fear . Politics 101 . Take your life back , protect your family and friends and be part of the solution to get life back to a new normal . Get vaccinated!
Covid has presented an opportunity for these politicians to get what they have always wanted- Power. Let’s face it, It’s their whole raison d’être. They’re certainly not in the job for altruistic motives and few have any practical life skills to be able to lead with any credibility. Think for yourselves and take some personal responsibility. These clowns are leading us on wild goose chase. |
Originally Posted by ruprecht
(Post 11075101)
I assume Mark McGowan would be happy for all available vaccines in the country to go to NSW at the moment?
NSW should concentrate on its own citizens now, including limiting repatriation to NSW residents only for the duration of this lockdown. If WA wishes to repatriate WA residents then they can make that decision. |
Originally Posted by The The
(Post 11075123)
I'd be more than happy to see vaccination focused where most needed. Each state keep very limited Pfizer to continue front line or vulnerable vaccinations and pour the rest into Sydney. Get the population of Sydney vaccinated as soon as possible with Pfizer which only has 3wks between jabs.
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The PM just slip something much harder is coming for Sydney. Go Hard Gladys and let’s get it over and done with. Stop believing your people will do the right thing.
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11075130)
The PM just slip something much harder is coming for Sydney. Go Hard Gladys and let’s get it over and done with. Stop believing your people will do the right thing.
She will be blasted for going harder next week by many yet on the other hand she is being ridiculed right now by the people she is trying to appease & those are the ones using any excuse to live completely as normal. I dont live in nsw & last year i was jealous of all the freedom they had but for anyone who thinks a long lockdown is not a reality,think again,you do not want to be part of it,just comply & think of everyone-not just yourself. |
“Just comply”
listen to yourself :yuk: |
Originally Posted by mattyj
(Post 11075262)
“Just comply”
listen to yourself :yuk: |
Originally Posted by Fonz121
(Post 11075051)
Deadly serious. If you are motivated and don't believe everything Jeanette Young tells you, then you can book in right now for a vaccine. I did and I'm definitely on the younger side.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c2bcac3f80.jpg |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11075281)
And what do you suggest, Matty?
The borders will remain closed until covid is eradicated like smallpox. Asking when borders will reopen is like listening to a child asking if we are there yet every 30 seconds. Are you really that much worse off than you were 16 months ago? It would be such a shame if covid entered the country now after so much sacrifice so until it’s stamped out and no one can be infected, borders will be shut. |
Originally Posted by dirtyd
(Post 11075437)
As long as there is covid there is no answer to suggest.
The borders will remain closed until covid is eradicated like smallpox. Asking when borders will reopen is like listening to a child asking if we are there yet every 30 seconds. Are you really that much worse off than you were 16 months ago? It would be such a shame if covid entered the country now after so much sacrifice so until it’s stamped out and no one can be infected, borders will be shut. No other country on earth expects it to be eradicated. “The first smallpox immunization was created by Edward Jenner in 1796. But it took more than 200 years and a worldwide vaccination program to eradicate the disease” https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....-smallpox.html |
‘Straya to get 1 million Pfizer doses a week from July 19.
Hang in there, ignore the nay-sayers, guaranteed* the game should change in a very good way soon enough. *a guarantee is not a guarantee. |
Originally Posted by Mafortion
(Post 11075431)
The information from that clinic is not exactly true. Evidence suggests that having an AstraZeneca shot, followed by Pfizer, provides a stronger response than two AstraZeneca doses.
You're correct though in that the study shows that, on the face of it, you can mix vaccines. All the usual caveats for short-term, small group (463 adults ≥ 50 years) studies applies though. This was not the equivalent of a Phase III trial. |
Great Britain has something like 85% vaccination rate and a 600% increase in Covid cases in the last month..and giving up on mitigation. Hopefully their British version of the vaccine is keeping hospitalisations down but eradication will never happen..NEVER
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Originally Posted by mattyj
(Post 11075603)
Great Britain has something like 85% vaccination rate and a 600% increase in Covid cases in the last month..
For the month of June the three day moving average of new cases actually rose by nearly 700 percent, from 3,262 to 22,700. Deaths, which should lag new cases by about 14 days, are also starting to tick up - up by about 500 percent for the month off a very low base of 3. |
Oh yeah it’s not the whole of uk..just England 1 shot
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Attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers have skyrocketed by 184 per cent in the past six months.
Disturbing new data from the Kids Helpline revealed the shocking statistic after Victoria was plunged into its fourth major Covid-19 lockdown in the past 12 months. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...4750a0391b0653 |
But all that and more is a price 'worth' paying, surely? All the economic numbers are great. Everyone should be 'living it up in lockdown' and relishing the increasing price of their home. And think of all the lives saved from C-19.
The end of the beginning of the response to the pandemic in Australia will come when an increasingly frustrated, desperate and disillusioned population finally says: "F*ck it. We're over this and we'll do what we want and you can fine and lock us up for as long as you like." I know people who've said they'd rather die than lose the business they've spent a lifetime building (including employing many people). Sooner or later, someone's gonna have to put a price on the response and justify why that's worth paying in return for the lives saved from C-19. That price includes the increased suicides. Hopefully it won't come to widespread refusal to comply. But what's the plan if the goals start overflowing with people who do refuse and burn their PINs? Let's hope that Scotty from Marketing's announcement about millions of doses of Phyzer hitting the shores soon will overcome vaccine hesitancy and result in vaccination rates that he should have been facilitating around a year ago (along with proper quarantine facilities), and relaxation of restrictions. |
Right Ok, see you in 6 months Sydney.
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11075638)
Attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers have skyrocketed by 184 per cent in the past six months.
Disturbing new data from the Kids Helpline revealed the shocking statistic after Victoria was plunged into its fourth major Covid-19 lockdown in the past 12 months. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...4750a0391b0653 There most assuredly has not been a 184 percent increase in attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers at all. The 184 percent increase in Victoria was for 'duty of care interventions enacted by Kids Helpline on behalf of children and young people'. For starters, 'children and young people' is not just teenagers; it covers those aged between 5-25. As noted in the primary report, '75% of emergency interventions were for young people aged 13-18'. Further 'duty of care interventions' includes but is not limited to emergency interventions relating to child abuse (these made up 31 percent of the interventions in Victoria) as well as interventions in response to an immediate intent to enact suicide (44 percent). What the primary reporting does show is that there is a disparity between Victoria, and Queensland and New South Wales, with regards to the increase in duty of care interventions enacted over the six months from 1 December 2020 – 31 May 2021. During the six months covered Victoria had two lockdowns, their third and fourth, between 12-17 February and 27 May - 10 June (note that this lockdown just fell into the reporting period so its impact would be questionable). During the same period Queensland also had two shorter lockdowns, their second and third, between 8-11 January and 29 March - 1 April. New South Wales had no lockdowns during the period covered by the report but saw a not dissimilar increase in duty of care interventions to Queensland, up by 40 percent compared to Queensland's 46 percent increase. Sitting below the reporting is of course the data and we don't seem to have access to that. A persistent concern with the Kids Helpline data is that they have a very low Call Answer Rate, typically less than 50 percent. When doing any form of comparative analysis on a state-by-state basis you would want to be satisfied that there wasn't biasing in the calls answered/abandoned by state. |
Originally Posted by MickG0105
(Post 11075660)
As is pretty typical these days when you find the primary source reporting you'll see that it does not match the subsequent secondary reporting in the media.
There most assuredly has not been a 184 percent increase in attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers at all. The 184 percent increase in Victoria was for 'duty of care interventions enacted by Kids Helpline on behalf of children and young people'. For starters, 'children and young people' is not just teenagers; it covers those aged between 5-25. As noted in the primary report, '75% of emergency interventions were for young people aged 13-18'. ............ Don't you dare go spouting out facts and common sense on this thread. |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11075669)
Wash your mouth out, Mick.
Don't you dare go spouting out facts and common sense on this thread. |
Originally Posted by MickG0105
(Post 11075675)
Mea culpa. Whatever was I thinking?! Ah, there you go - thinking - maybe that was the problem.
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mkay. Always glad for facts to be flushed out.
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Beware the lurking variable...
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop
(Post 11075721)
Beware the lurking variable...
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