Pretty sure they are ongoing. I’ve been told early next year and got a yes in Oct.

I got the nod in August and still no word for myself. IMO it's definitely some merit based system if there is a chronological aspect to it as well idk but have spoken to some who got on much later than I did and already got start dates so they obviously did quite well in the recruitment process.

Gee…
- Forcing SO’s onto LWOP and loosing AL accrual.
- Preventing current SO’s progressing onto the 380 as there’s a overall pilot shortage.
- Assigning AL due to a surplus of pilots. Wtf!
- Changing fleet types to new hires after signing a contract to a B scale.

Thats one way to Pi$$ off the future

Still no start date for me either, I got on the hold file sometime in August or September. I'm external if that makes a difference.

😂😂😂😂😂😂, Gold.

Like your cheque is in the mail and I’m here from the ATO to help you.

Sadly, still the best gig going in Aus. And they know it.

Maybe if you a Captain. I can’t imagine sitting in the back seat for 17 hours earning $100K a year is all that great…

Sure, if you a captain it probably is better, but you can't be that without be a SO first. 17 years though is being a bit dramatic. Maybe that will be reality, but it's not at the moment.

It's all good though, you have a choice, and if it doesn't suit you, you need not apply. Simple.

Choice is a wonderful luxury. Plenty of new hires going straight to FO on the 737.

Has there ever been any direct entry FO recruitment to Qantas or is it ever only SO? Thinking about making the move, but starting as a SO would be a tuff pill to swallow.

There’s a chance that you could be offered F/O on the 737 after commencing, possibly even just before starting. However I wouldn’t hang my hat on it.

Otherwise no, you’re an S/O.

There's direct entry to F/O, but 737 F/O slots might be available in most bases bar Brisbane very soon after starting, BNE maybe a year or so wait. Melbourne F/O slots were being given out to new hires days after starting a few months ago. They didn't even bother with S/O training.

As long as you're happy with SH then it shouldn't be a long wait for F/O.

​​​​​​​Typo? "no"?

Thanks for the replies. Are the any sources of up-to-date information regarding T&C, payscales etc, the info on ppjn seems rather dated?

Curious why it is a tough pill to swallow. The Second Officer is all care and no responsibility. Get a hobby and go to work as little as possible. Lifestyle will ultimately outweigh which seat you sit in. But like everyone else is saying, the FO upgrade is fairly quick, at which point you will be earning on par with other narrow-body Captains in Australia. Otherwise, you can go work for a subsidiary and learn the hard way.

Qantas Airways Limited Pilots (Long Haul) Enterprise Agreement 2020

Qantas Airways Limited Pilots (Short Haul) Enterprise Agreement 2020 (EBA8)

There’s several hundred pages for you to wade through. Just remember the pay rates for SH are a little misleading, those numbers are based on 53.4 hours per BP (28 days), when in reality the average hours rostered per BP is more like 65-70, and the ability to go higher if you choose.

Why would you want to work more than 50 hours in 28 days!? The idea is to work less not more!

You don’t get much of a choice on how little you wish to be scheduled to work-rosters get built at the divisor for the fleet. When you are junior in the rotating seniority (737) you will work circa 18/28 days. When senior you may be able to fly just under half of the 28 days.

Something tells me however that down the road the company will find a way to coerce recent hires onto the A220 for **** pay.

Looks like a new start A220 FO will get paid $1,705 per tonne and an A320XLR FO will get paid $1,440 per tonne.

Or you could say an A320 pilot with Qantas will only be paid $20K a year more to operate an aircraft that is 30% bigger. Is the Qantas contract considered mainline or the NJS one mainline?


A220s seem to be painted with Qantas not QantasLink…


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