I had to look up the definition: "Gen Z refers to people born between 1995 and 2010". So how many pilots or aurcraft engineers at Qantas Group who are now 29 years old or younger? I would assume a few. How do they feel about the company?
As for the "WOKE" term, I just take that as conservative right wing media types trying to have a dig at fair minded people or companies. A true WOKE company would treat all staff fairly regardless of age, gender, orientation etc. I would be happy to work for such a company.

Probably pretty good. A career in a legacy carrier is best experienced by joining as early as you can. 40% of the pilot group will hit retirement in the next 15 years, so if you join at 25 and take the first command available you may spend almost 2/3rds of your career in the LHS.

July Course ?
 

Still on the hold file from last year And was told a few months back that everyone on it would be allocated a spot by July. Haven’t heard anything tho. Is there anyone on here that has been put into the July course?

Yup, given narrow body command will probably be about 10 years seniority this training year, they’ll probably feel pretty good about things. It took the rest of us 20 years to get that opportunity, so we’re all pretty embittered. That breakdown in the relationship is unlikely to ever be repaired, for me at least.

Thanks Geoff, Alan et al. You have left a proud legacy.

Why get wound up over something that is just typical swings and roundabouts of the industry everywhere? Save your blood pressure, you’ll probably live an extra 10-20 years.

I’m not wound up about it. I used to be but I just couldn’t give a f$&k anymore. That’s a pretty sad state of affairs given the passion I had for the place when I joined. It’s directly attributable to 20 years of management bastardry. I don’t think I’m alone either. 🤷‍♂️

Anyway, sorry for the thread drift, but it’s perhaps still relevant for new joiners to understand recent history.

I’ll leave things alone here unless I have something useful to contribute.

Lesson here is don’t join the QF group.
It’s too late for me (kids, schools etc), but my honest advice is to leave Australian aviation behind. Don’t sign on to B scale and have third world conditions. years of sitting as an SO and FO (if you’re lucky).
go to emirates, Singapore, US, QATAR, Japan, etihad, China, ATLAS…even an Indian contract.
I’d include CX , but they lost the plot during Covid.
you’ll get medical, schooling, housing, real staff travel, yearly bonus (check recent emirates and Singapore announcements).
Aussie industry is ruined. Smart people will get hours and leave asap.

And this is why Network is now so beneficial, so pilots can build jet time and leave. I now fully support Qantas and the way they run Network. Well done guys!

Fair point but you have clearly not worked in Asia, ME or India.

Qantas is a holiday camp even its current state compared to operations in that part of the world, SQ even with the bonus youd be on the bones of your a$$ and Qatar you'll never be home and in fear of your job everyday. Maybe just leave EK, EY and ATLAS in the mix haha

Theres quite a bit of overseas movement back to mainline, HK especially. Apparently a lot of applications in from American freight airlines. About 10 years ago dozens of mainline crew took up LWOP to go to the M/E. Pretty much all came back, some giving up widebody commands in doing so.

I’ve never heard more than a handful per year resigning from mainline to pursue a career in a different carrier. The subsidiaries, yes, they have a lot of outflow, but it hasn’t hit mainline yet.

How many internals are getting yes this time round?

How many internals historically get a yes? is past sim scores within the group the main factor?

The vibe is 80% yes for internal, 20% yes for externals. Think that holds pretty true.

I presume that’s out of those who attend the assessment centre? Sounds lower than I would have expected for externals, but what do I know 🤷‍♂️

80% internal?? Really??

Heard that internals were being given start dates out to 2027.

start dates in 2027? can i ask what subsidiary that was from?

As far as I am aware, they give you roughly three months notice of your start date, base and fleet to allow you enough time to resign from your subsidiary. I think those saying 2027 are ball parking it based on previous groups that have gone through the process.

For the externals that have interviewed so far this year, has there been any suggestion as to start dates and time on the hold file?

They provide internals on the hold file a “tentative start year and quarter.”
All subject to change obviously.