Yes, some here actually do have qualifications and experience in this field. You made some very specific references to what constitutes a valid contract. You also gave some specific examples of how AIPA could do an 'off the books' deal. I asked you some very specific questions to determine if you know what you are talking about.

If you knew anything you would know there would be 101 different ways of getting something like that done

Would put the number of law degree holders in the QF pilot group at less than 30 & the number of those
who have practiced for more than than three years at less than 10 , more than five years practice less than 5

Hardly a fountain of legal expertise , but day sure do fly da planes veal well hey Bro ?

I know for a fact that stood down Qantas Group pilots have been filling positions at Network

All of whom will immediately bail on Network the moment international opens up again leaving them short of crew.

Meanwhile 40 NJS crew are being relocated to MEL. Most of whom don’t give a rats about working for the Group and no doubt would have happily stayed with Network for the rest of their careers (provided that was in PER).

They’d all be ex Network and appropriately type rated wouldn’t they morno?

Why are any of you surprised?

The entire Qantas group is separated into different groups so they can play you off against each other. It’s only the recent past that pilots were even able to move up to Mainline from the ‘links!!

QF will do whatever they want. Especially in a pandemic such as this.

If you want my prediction, most of the QF work out of Perth will end up being done by Network with 320/F100’s (aka the old Skywest/Virgin relationship). The Mainline base may even disappear and all flights based out of the east coast.

Keg,
Ex Network, no. Appropriately rated, yes.

So where do your numbers 101, 30, 10 and 5 come from? Have you just made this up? Don’t bother answering, they ere rhetorical questions. The point you have quite clearly made, is that you are not one of them.

You need aircraft that are reliable to do that.....

HM ; think I might be close can think of one circa pre GFC QF Cadet who got just over 5 years legal practice ; another who was a tad under

Certainly I didn't reach the dizzy heights of being both a QF pilot & a junior bunny lawyer HM so you are indeed correct

Many long term employees think because they have had a few different contracts/ebas/awards think they are IR Gurus - they aren't

That's my feel for the numbers , maybe there are a 100 guys with law degrees but that isn't likely ( more likely with Aviation degrees, maybe 50 Engineering degrees on a sunny blue sky day- but really think so more like 25 max)

Think I am close but just my humble opinion

Boring forum same old blow hards & big notes - become such an Aussie trait unfortunately. Ridiculous conspiracy theories about management who show such disrespect to you

NO wonder Aussie pilots have such a lousy reputation OS

Of course it’s boring for people who aren’t pilots.

Not sure why you bother reading it.

By lousy, you mean safe and knowledge right? At least that was my experience.

Normally the ones overseas who didn’t like the Aussies were the ones who the Aussies stopped from flying into hill sides and breaking the rules....

You don't have to have a law degree or industrial relations expertise to ask the relevant questions of those who do……...

....aaah, I think lousy is a very accurate word.
Foreign pilots were employed to stop planes hitting hills, not just Australians ( as hard as that may be for some to accept) and , this is employment is generally only to cover shortages in crew and training pipeline issues that can lead to contact with hills.
Definitely not to be shown how to fly but, as in all airlines, there are star performers and some that are not so good.
Bigger the airline and the more diverse the culture , the greater the propensity for more average performers rising to positions of control.

Australians are generally the most hated ( probably more by the other contract pilots than the companies) because they are self centred, demanding, petulant and are always trying to get a better deal for themselves , regardless of the cost to the airline and others in the foreign pilot body.
They walk into another culture and airline without any understanding of the situation , immediately complain about everything and want to tell them how to run a foreign airline on the basis of their limited life experience in one sheltered workshop situation back at home.
Cultural insensitivity to the extreme.
The majority of these have a job back home to go back to and are only there for the short term cash.
New Zealanders are generally ,not far behind.

I’m confused as to what this thread is about now. Is it that Qantas pilots think they have a right to any job in the group when they want, when before they would be bagging the pilots out working these same jobs 12 months ago?

Well that certainly sounds a lot like Telfer telling guys who’ve been working for Qantas for decades how they should do a friendly handshake deal with management. The same managers who have been working to make mainline pilots irrelevant for 20 years.

As for the lawyers in the pilot ranks, who cares? The union employs lawyers and IR specialists and pays for outside legal advice when needed.

No. More that it seems to be the height of stupidity to be recruiting pilots externally to the group whilst so many pilots currently employed within the group are stood down and not working (or getting paid).

As to pilots who are lawyers or whatever, I’m with Beer Baron. Further to C441’s comments also, you don’t need to be a lawyer or an IR expert to pick the BS from those like Telfer.

I guess from the accountant's point of view you create multiple training events if you were to put say A380 crew on the 717 compared to hiring people who had already flown the aircraft. The A380 crew would have to do a full endorsement plus line training, then when they go back to Long Haul they have to do more line training and sim work, plus then the 717 has to fill the hole they create by leaving.

True. Never said it was the cheapest option. Doing the ‘right thing’ often isn’t.

Perhaps it’s more a question of why is the government paying jobkeeper to stood down pilots whilst the company is recruiting pilots? That’s where the ire should be directed? Wake up AIPA!