The builders will have in the contract for the sim building a penalty payment. Qantas will probably fight them however they will not walk away for nothing IMO. The site has to be fixed up plus there is the lease on three floors of car parking next door. A right royal mess.

Never burn your bridges mate. One day that guy from maccas could be your sim instructor. I’ve seen it happen before.

Heres the point you don't get Normanton.

During the LHEA debate you abused and threatened anyone senior to you on this forum and elsewhere. But in fact if you had bothered to speak to the F/Os and Captains you fly with you would have realised the EA vote was always going to get up. Therefore, you didn't need to make the threats and deliver the abuse you did.

The bulk of the QF pilot voting 'public' always does the common sense and pragmatic thing. Has the last 30 years I have been with the company. Yes there are many folks who are vocal on Qrewroom and elsewhere, but you have to look beyond that.

Skysook talks about burning bridges. Thats the situation you have placed yourself in. The guys I fly with (like #londonbound) think that because they have been S/Os for six months or so they have nothing to learn and in fact are smarter and more experienced then the F/O and Captain.

I know for a fact no-one goes sick on me on the 787 because I never say a word to anyone about performance or knowledge. Even when the S/Os turn up not prepared, hungover and disinterested or start lecturing me on how to fly the aircraft. I let it all go because I know there is no point. I get to LHR, shrug my shoulders and move on.

But now the situation is that Normanton and others want the contract they so vigorously championed three months ago changed because it potentially doesn't suit them. But I am reasonably sure that given your previous behaviour not many of the pilots senior to you, even the silent sensible majority, have any sympathy for you.

Last time this situation happened I took half lines, gave up leave and look LWOP to help the group. I did this because the guys I worked with were team players and I knew that if the situation was reversed they would do same for me. But with you, Normanton, people know that if the situation was reversed you would not support us, and in fact would do everything possible to feather you own nest at the expense of your fellow pilots.

At least you have the RAAF to go back to. Most guys don't. Count yourself lucky

Decided to remove this post.

For anyone actually interested in QF recruiting, could I please apologise on behalf of all those of us who are finding this an increasingly embarrassing spectacle.

I’d suggest the crew in QF Longhaul are looking at an extended brutal standown beating. Sometimes emotion gets out of control and that’s what we are seeing, don’t blame the participants. Looks like the 737 will be the most senior fleet for at least the next year! (Or 3)

Just passing by this thread and Christ, that Normanton is a touchy fellow. So much to prove...good luck chaps!

I am confident the published RIN procedures will be followed. No FWA challenge. Why? Many reasons..but the main one is the cost blow out fear won’t eventuate with published procedures. At least not enough to warrant a challenge which they could easily lose. I challenge proponents of the FWA challenge to justify their position beyond ‘it’ll cost too much’ and explain why. Exactly where will the cascading training courses occur in this case. Put some thought into it because if you put forward a basic answer, I’ll conclude, probably accurately, that you’re not worthy of your scaremongering position. A good start is to answer this:

can a displacement occur on a fleet that itself is subject to a RIN?

and a chat to JB of AIPA first is a good idea.

Has QF and it’s management ever been scared of hiring the most expensive lawyers In the country because of a perceived chance of losing?



No, I didn’t think so.

During the legal process with Fair Work Australia following Joyce's shutdown of the airline, Qantas went in with all guns blazing. They hired 5 QC's, one to do the arguing and 4 doing supporting roles which would normally be done by article clerks. It was all designed to intimidate the sole QC that was representing AIPA.

Altogether, QF spent $62M on legal expenses throughout that process and gained less than $5M in savings from the minor changes in the determination. No, they are not scared of hiring the best legal minds no matter the cost Vs outcome.

A bit of a thread drift...
 

Hi guys, long time lurker here. I know this is a bit of a thread drift, but would anybody have any information on when QLink (Sunstate/Eastern) would start recruiting FOs again? I understand that finding an answer to this question would be a bit of a long shot given the current situation, but just wanted to see if anyone would have any information at all. Many thanks!

Probably when all the existing ones are flying again and Pilots have moved around the group to cover shortages and surpluses and they need more. Which won’t be in the next 1-2 years.

what do you mean when you say “when pilots have moved around the group to cover shortages”

Are you saying if a 747 FO gets made redundant, they can move to qlink, JQ ect?

im not aware of this arrangement

The company will offer LWOP as required to balance the surpluses across the group.

There is no arrangement for anyone in the group to go to QLink. If there was in the future, it would be via a similar EOI process to the one used to apply to mainline.

There have already been dozens of former QLink pilots at mainline who have enquired about the prospects of returning and all told the same grim news.

Haven’t heard of guys going to the links. But there
will be opportunities at network, cobham, Pacific, Japan, etc as the various domestic networks fire up again.

I doubt that any domestic markets are going to get to a point within 12-18 months where they need to recruit more pilots, even through internal EOI.

When are we changing the title of this thread to “Network Recruitment”?

Some Perth based Short Haul Pilots are back on stand down, whilst Network are asking their pilots to work on days off as they are short of crew. Bloody disgusting...and the Acting QF Chief Pilot “isn’t sure what to say”.

:rolleyes:

That was cringe worthy listening to him being backed into a corner. He like all know exactly what is going on but when challenged had no comment.

disgusting

Why the angst that Network is busy , thought that would be a good thing , more $$ for the group & some EOI to transfer
over from the rest of the group ?

Can someone explain why the 717 advertised externally for FOs in early January ? Was this because not enough group
people were interested ? Seems strange going to the outside market just because group guys might not have time on 717

Sounds like AIPA might have dropped the ball , if externals are being hired