VNB went MEL-DRW-SIN at the start of the month.

Lets hope it doesn't return!

Crawford what are you doing...:ugh:

Tiger Airways Australia appoints Crawford Rix as next CEO | The Australian

Sounds like.....:ugh:

From what I hear Tiger in Australia is bleeding money at the moment. 80% load factors at rock bottom fares just does not ad up

quote: Crawford what are you doing...:ugh:Sunstar320

From artical TheAustralian



Bmibaby, also the former hunting ground of Mr Davis, is a subsidiary of loss-making British carrier bmi and flies to European destinations from several regional UK airports.

Germany's Lufthansa took control of bmi last year and attempted to sell the carrier but withdrew it from the market when it was unable to achieve an acceptable price.
There has been speculation in the UK media, that Lufthansa would sell or close bmibaby, which announced in November it would cut its fleet from 17 to 12 planes and cut jobs to concentrate on routes where there were clear prospects of growth.
Tiger's statement said that Ms Roberts would take a "well-earned break" after completing her hand-over to Mr Rix.
"Shelley has established Tiger Airways Australia as major national airline and led it from infancy to profitability," Mr Davis said.

TIGER AIRWAYS told me the incident at the airport between staff and journos and Fed Cops was of no great consequence #fight:eek:

Those in the know will know about this worrying rumour that has just arisen.

Looking for some confirmation that its not true...

Care to elaborate, wheels down?

I read somewhere that Tiger only makes money over the Dec/Jan period in Australia, and with such a small fleet, is there enough critical mass for this operation to be sustainable beyond the short term ?

No idea what the so called "rumour" is about, but on going issues with the regulator can't help.

I wouldn't read into it too much, but expansion plans are debatable with the current management team.

They have put a managing director in charge who never previously had even been to this great country, so his understandings of the market were always slim, but hey, he was Tony's friend after all!

The British Management team are not even worth the rant. :hmm:

I just watched a news item on channel 10 news stating that Tiger will be pulling out from the ADL-SYD run from August 1, 2011. It said that it expects staff losses from ADL, and possibly out of the Aussie market completely by middle of next year!! Doesn't sound promising? I would imagine that the base will in the short term, will reduce to a single aircraft.

Just read this. Are they gone?

Tiger Airways Australia pilots being compulsorily retrained | Plane Talking

This outrageous. Should have been grounded until its all sorted out. Where's the press when you need them "part owned by SINGAPORE AIRLINES" blah "horror tiger almost crashed"

Hellllooooo??? Singapore....Virgin.... Friends now...... Tiger who???

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Just heard that all current tiger flights have been told to return to mel.

WTF Tiger?
 

Heard on late news that Tiger to cancel all Adelaide to Sydney flights!

Seems to me that they run the risk of brand damage beyond repair. Perhaps SIA will buy out the Australian operation and rename it Silk??? Would feed into the new SIA LCC next year.
SN

From the article -

......It is true that the straight in approach with the tail wind component
could have been an attempt to save fuel, but that would be inconsistent
with Tiger’s insistence that safety is its number one priority.

And that, I feel, is where the problem lies - its Safety department probably
says one thing, and its beancounters (or worse) probably says another.

IMHFO nasty low cost crummy outfits like this one are the bane of this
industry worldwide.

Grounded for a week.
 

From the Tiger Airways website.

Crawford and his pathetic British Management team's attempt to "fix" the place have now earnt them all a place on the firing line.. Bye Bye Crawford.......

Tiger Down ! (grounded)
 

Just heard on the radio news. ???

CASA said on the radio this morning.... "We don't believe Tiger's upper Management are of a high standard" Well said!

With both CASA and their own website reporting the grounding as fact I fear that this will be very difficult to recover from. I feel for their staff who will no dout get the short end of the stick on this.

Jetstar have done worse things than Tiger, why are they still flying? And lets not even start on the management.

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Tower closes at 1000 UTC by ERSA. Incident at 2305L?

Also if it became a night visual approach, descent below LSALT is permitted if when in circling area. ..so 6.94 NM is permitted, and web track appears shows aircraft within this. (It goes off the range)

Weather was crystal clear.

Damage is been done in the media though.

Tiger Grounded
 

6.94 NM zone! Do Tiger operate as Cat E?

Ero-plano:

The difference with JQ of course, is they have CASA's pecker well and truely in their pocket!

Aircraft category
 

Zone you seem to imply that they can arbitrarily raise their category to fit their situation. Category is based on Vref and would think a320 is "C" Vref 121-140 circling area 4.20nm .find it hard to believe they would be cat "E" Vref 166-210 circling area 6.94nm

The RWY18 ILS chart only shows Cat D (5.28nm) circling minima.

Walaper,

Thats how I read it! You can operate to a higher cat if you comply with the limits of that category.

Bye bye Tony Davis - your head should be on the chopping block for employing your 'mate' and allowing him to employ his 'mates' and totally fu*k the Australian operation. Shelley, you did a better job than these clowns.

Damage was done in the media a long time ago. Tiger were too tight-assed to spend money fixing their pathetic public image. Now you will pay the price.

No such thing as a cheap ticket, everything has a cost.

Sums up Australian aviation don't you think?

Blue Foot

Ref different categories, AIP ENR 1.5, 1.14 b

Sad for the good safe people at Tiger (including a few mates) but a long overdue kick up the backside for Delusional Davis & those other graduates from the Joyce school of aviation regulatory arrogance.

Let's hope that this is the start of CASA doing what it should and not just picking a soft target to be seen.

There is already a 'victim' persona being attributed to Tiger in some media this morning but the reality is they have overtly ignored the rules of the Regulator's game. (The really sad thing is that the left seat in the latest incident will be the fall guy for dysfunctional management that want multiple choice regs.)

It's not an anti-LCC rant either, as I'm reliably informed that both JQ & QF equally have serious and deliberate safety breaches currently under investigation including one involving the big bird and a few internal management emails trying to cover it up. I trust that the Senate Inquiry invigorated Regulators (plural) don't shy away from what they know they should and must do including taking on QF & co.

AT :E

Well said Airtags.

Let us not forget that the crews at Tiger have families, mortgages, bills to pay, and all the other stresses of daily life. They do not need to be worrying about their future as well.

No-one would wish to see good people on the street.

Nor does anyone want to see the holiday and travel plans of thousands of people disrupted. Our industry suffers overall if there is any bad news.

The problems would appear to lie with management, and it is regrettable that this is the only way CASA can get their attention.

Did crew fatigue play a role in the 'incident' ?. What was the crews experience level, especially the F/O.

It will be interesting to see the backlash from the remaining 'punters' who do not know how hopeless Tiger are. Even Skytrax say Tiger is not a quality approved airline. I suspect this will be the finish of Tiger in Aust with their Ryanair mentality. I assume passengers from the cancelled services will have to join the queue and wait for up to 12 months for a refund.

With the grounding on the first day of the Victorian School Holidays there are going to be some disappointed passengers who have had their travel plans destroyed. Will Tiger pay the cancellation and noshow fees for rental cars, accommodation etc etc.

Glad CASA read PPRune. :D Now please dont tell me DJ or QF need to be kind hearted and honor Tiger's fares for the stranded thousands of Tiger pax

Cat C,D,E
 

This trick here is to seperate Instrument Approach to Land criteria (Only one Cat applies), and Visual Approach Criteria. It is easy to confuse.

3.16 VISUAL APPROACHES
3.16.1 Subject to the requirements of visual circling,
missed approach and visual segments paragraphs
above, the pilot need not commence or may
discontinue the approved instrument approach procedure
to that aerodrome when:
a. By Day—Within 30 NM of that aerodrome at an
altitude not below the LSALT/MSA for the route
segment, the appropriate step of the DME or
GPS Arrival Procedure, or the MDA for the procedure
being flown, the aircraft is established:
1. clear of cloud;
2. in sight of ground or water;
3. with a flight visibility not less than 5000m or,
in the case of a helicopter, is able to proceed
under helicopter VMC, or the aerodrome
is in sight; and
4. subsequently can maintain (1), (2) and (3)
at an altitude not less than the minimum
prescribed for VFR flight (CAR 157), to
within the circling area or, in the case of
a helicopter, can subsequently maintain
helicopter VMC to the HLS.
b. By Night— At an altitude not below the LSALT/
MSA for the route segment, the appropriate step
of the DME or GPS Arrival procedure, or the
MDA for the procedure being flown, the aircraft
is established:
1. clear of cloud;
2. in sight of ground or water;
3. with a flight visibility not less than 5000m;
and
4. within the circling area or VAA-H, as applicable;
or
5. within 5 NM (7 NM for a runway equipped
with an ILS) of that aerodrome aligned with
the runway centerline and established not
below “on slope” on the T-VASIS or PAPI;
or
6. within 10 NM (14 NM for runways 16L
and 34L at Sydney Intl) of that aerodrome,
established not below the ILS glide path
with less than full scale azimuth deflection.
NOTE: Reference to circling area in this section
includes the circling area for the category of aircraft
or a higher category where the limitations of the
higher category are complied with.

Avalon only goes to CAT D on the VOR 36 as well.