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tiptoeturkey 21st Jul 2008 00:17

Merged: Tiger Tales
 
Tiger Airways announces 120 new jobs | Herald Sun

flyer_18-737 21st Jul 2008 03:19

New destinations coming online?

TR sending some planes down under mabye

Tester Call 121.5 21st Jul 2008 03:30

Maybe new base being added to network also.

flyer_18-737 21st Jul 2008 08:36

I dont know about the 2nd Hub going ahead, but 120 people is good for industry. Thats 60 for John Holland, at least 15 or so Pilots and around 45 cabin crew. Thats about 2 A320's worth

Tiger Airways signed a contract with Melbourne based John Holland Aviation Services to expand its current engineering support arrangements to also include major heavy maintenance ‘C’ Checks of Tiger Airways’ Australian based Airbus aircraft.

Shelley Roberts, Managing Director of Tiger Airways Australia, said “Tiger Airways could be doing
this major maintenance anywhere in the world, but John Holland Aviation Services has both the
facilities and top notch people here in Victoria to ensure a first class job, at a competitive price. This
means that Tiger Airways can continue to provide our passengers not only the lowest fares in the
country but also ensure that Tiger Airways maintains its position as Australia’s most reliable airline.”

Tiger Airways is leading the pack in Australian aviation for consistent reliability with not a single
cancellation and excellent punctuality in both April and May. In June bad weather caused the
cancellation of just 2 Tiger Airways flights, whilst our competitors cancelled thousands of flights in
the same three month period.

Shelley Roberts added “John Holland Aviation Services has already demonstrated its reliability and excellence in engineering services through the routine daily maintenance of our Melbourne based aircraft and they have shown that they have what it takes to work successfully with Australia’s only true low fare
airline.”

In addition, Tiger Airways is pleased to announce that it is commencing recruitment of over 60 additional pilot and cabin crew positions to operate additional brand new aircraft arriving later this summer. These additional jobs at Tiger Airways come at a time when other airlines are slashing jobs and when Melbourne Airport has achieved record increases in passenger numbers driven largely by the entry of Tiger Airways into the Australian market.

Shelley Roberts said, “The Victorian Government has shown tremendous vision in attracting Australia’s only true low fare airline to Melbourne. Not only does the community reap the benefits of more highly skilled aviation jobs but also these passenger numbers released by Melbourne airport show that the government’s strategy for tourism is also working. Other governments across Australia and the world could learn a lot from the Victorian government.”

DrPepz 21st Jul 2008 09:03

Tiger Airways Australia can maintain its planes efficiently in Australia. After all, it's a waste to fly an A320 MEL-DRW-SIN, have it serviced in SIN, then send it back to MEL via DRW.

Which begs the question - Why is QF unable to maintain its aircraft efficiently in Australia?

If SQ has a problem with any of its aircraft, they just send it back to SIAEC down the taxiway who would have records of the aircraft from day 1. Now when TT has a problem with any of its aircraft, they just send it down the taxiway to John Holland.

How QF uses a myriad of suppliers from Singapore to KL to Manila, Avalon and Hong Kong is just mind boggling? A checks in LAX, C checks in Avalon and D checks in SIN.

I'm not an aircraft engineer, but how does QF maintain quality control over its maintenance when they're done by so many different suppliers all over the place? It's just like sending a sick patient to many doctors who have no records of his medical history - No matter how good the specialist is, isn't it a recipe for disaster? Or is aircraft maintenance simply such a striaghtfoward thing that you just follow the cards, get the LAME to sign off on it and send the aircraft out?

porch monkey 21st Jul 2008 09:41

"Our competitors cancelled thousands" So the bull**** war starts. Thousands???? Not hard to stay on time when you anly have 3 or 4 a/c and only serve one of the major ports in the country huh. Come and tell us how you go when you serve all ports, including the congested ones and you have 50 or 100 a/c in the fleet. Talk about spin......:rolleyes:

tasdevil.f27 21st Jul 2008 09:43

No not that hard, anyone can use a giant staple gun and a roll of duct tape :oh:

I guess its cheaper for uncle Geoff to do repairs o/s on his aircraft and the money saved goes into his pay rises. :mad:

parabellum 21st Jul 2008 11:45

Was it ever proved, beyond all reasonable doubt, that SIAEC was responsible for the 'stapling' saga?

kiwi engineer12 21st Jul 2008 13:13

An additional 60 people at JHAS to support 2 extra planes? (I take it they are talking about 2 x 319's coming online at the end of the year)

The boys at JHAS wouldn't have a problem with their current levels of staff to handle the extra work at this stage surely....
2 more daily/weekly checks a day, and 2 extra 'A' checks a fortnight isn't all that much, and I'm sure they can rope in the contractors come 'C' check time if needed.

Are they adding a few more than 2 A/C to the fleet?

Good to see JHAS/Tiger doing well though.

flyer_18-737 21st Jul 2008 22:33

Hearing strong rumours about some Singapore A320's coming down. TR are losing too much over there with all those 4/5/6 hour sectors which mainly are every route it flies.

Im confused about the Deliveries from Toulouse though, but around 2010/11/12 is when there will be a huge influx of deliveries. Australia will become Tiger's main location for its business.

60 orders. If fuel remained at current levels, you would think majority would come to Australia(shorter runs), and be turned into A319 aircraft..

apacau 31st Jul 2008 12:13

Heard tonight (off another board) that all Tiger DRW flying ends in October. That's MEL-DRW and SIN-DRW...

F111 31st Jul 2008 13:21

From ninemsn

Tiger axes flights to Darwin22:50 AEST Thu Jul 31

Tiger Airways has axed its services to Darwin from Melbourne and Singapore, blaming high fuel and operating costs in Darwin for the decision.

Services to Darwin will be suspended from October 26, Tiger chief operating officer Steve Burns says.

The costs of flying to Darwin were the highest of all the airports the airline served, he said in a statement.

"This is an important point to stress: combined airport and fuel costs in Darwin cost more than any of the 27 airports that the airline serves across Australia and Asia. It is just incompatible for a true low-fare airline to operate to such a high cost destination," he said.

The airline might re-establish services to Darwin "if costs become more reasonable", he said.

Flights booked prior to October 26 will go ahead.

No Australian domestic flights have been booked to Darwin beyond that date.

Tiger will offer a full refund to international passengers booked after October 26, he said.

Mr.Buzzy 31st Jul 2008 22:03

Always a boom before the bust.....

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flyer_18-737 1st Aug 2008 00:25

Seeing as its a O/N service, I doubt we will see any replacement. These days it would be cheaper for them to just leave the A/C there O/N

tinpis 1st Aug 2008 06:24

Stay at home folks,the p!ss is cold and the weather warm...:ok:

Well timed announcement with NT election in full non-swing, not that it will make any difference

Prado 1st Aug 2008 08:18

I don't think DN will be the last Tiger port to get the a#se. One would suggest that all the positive spin Tiger have been putting out lately about how their weathering the high fuel costs is just that.

Interesting that J* announces today it is expanding its DN operations. One wonders what the cost differential is for Tiger vs J* at DN airport?

Cheers
Prado.

SIDSTAR 2nd Aug 2008 06:43

Well if the spin that the gov is putting in 3m over a few years into marketing, does it mean Jet* has the Tiger by the tail? Are they just far more savvy? Or do they line the right pockets?

flyer_18-737 2nd Aug 2008 07:57

Tiger certainly needs some $$$ for advertising. The last time I saw Tiger advertise was 6months ago in Page6(expensive or what!) of the Herald Sun

Lets hope the new MD changes a few things......

coaldemon 2nd Aug 2008 12:26

I understand that one of the more recognisable faces at Tiger was seen doing interviews elsewhere recently..........

apacau 2nd Aug 2008 23:10

Tiger drops Darwin, Jetstar boosts Darwin. Jetstar closes Adelaide base, Tiger... (is soon to announce its 2nd base)

EXEK1996 4th Aug 2008 12:23

I understand that ADL is to be the second base.

Info from ADL Airport Management

flyer_18-737 4th Aug 2008 19:21

are you SURE?

SO they just blabbed it out to you then?

Tester Call 121.5 5th Aug 2008 02:22

official. 2 x A319 early next year.
More a/c as required.
good things for all I say.

Tester Call 121.5 5th Aug 2008 03:08

Tiger sets up second home in Adelaide

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Tiger Airways Australia will set up a second Australian base in Adelaide.

The budget airline expects more direct flights from Adelaide to new destinations will result in more than 10 million additional passengers using the South Australian airport over the next eight years.

Tiger Managing Director Shelley Roberts said the addition of a second base for Tiger Airways would almost double the number of annual low fare seats being made available in Australia to more than three million per year.

Tiger Airways will initially base two of its A319s in Adelaide from early next year, with the expectation that additional aircraft will be based there over the next eight years depending on consumer demand.

"This investment by Tiger Airways of more than $105 million in aircraft assets in Adelaide means more jobs in South Australia with Tiger Airways recruiting pilots, cabin crew and support staff to be based locally in Adelaide," Ms Roberts said.

Premier Mike Rann welcomed the decision, saying the cumulative benefit to the state economy could be up to $100 million over 10 years.

"This will give interstate visitors more affordable opportunities to travel to South Australia for their holidays - injecting valuable tourism US dollars into the local economy," the premier said.

Teal 5th Aug 2008 06:29

From crikey...


Tiger Airways has no-one to blame but itself Martin Kelly, Editor of Travel Trends, writes:

Tiger Airways is full of it. News, I mean. Last week, Tiger announced it was stopping all Darwin flights from October 26. This came a couple of months after it withdrew from Newcastle. As usual, the carrier cited external rather than internal factors. Chief Operating Officer, Steve Burns, was reported in Travel Daily as saying that Darwin was its highest cost port. "It is just incompatible for a true low fare airline to operate to such a high cost destination," he said. So why did Tiger fly there in the first place? Sure, fuel prices have increased but no mention in the rhetoric of an increase in airport fees. Therefore the real reason would appear to be that Tiger has badly misjudged demand, not once but twice -- Newcastle and Darwin.

Mistakes such as these are a long way from the big statements made by CEO Tony Davis when Tiger first came to Australia, about how the Asian low-cost carrier would fight for the little guy, taking on the goliaths of Australian aviation: Qantas, Jetstar and Virgin Blue. The message from Davis was that Australians were getting ripped off and that Tiger would bring in lower fares.
This very basic PR strategy got some short-term coverage but was diluted by the fact that low-cost carriers were nothing new in this market, unlike Asia. Furthermore, it’s a ploy that’s been used before in Australia, and to much greater effect, by the likes of Brian Grey (Compass), Virgin Blue and Jetstar. As a PR message, it also left Tiger with few places to go. Tiger is cheap, what else? Oh, you’re getting picked on. Davis then started complaining about the raw deal Tiger was getting from Qantas, which for example refused to provide ground-handling for its rival at Alice Springs. Not much public sympathy there because the Qantas stand seemed to make sense – why help a competitor? Some in the industry also started wondering how well-prepared Tiger actually was for this market, where Qantas has been fighting low-cost incursions since the early 1990s.

Now serious questions have to be asked about Tiger’s network strategy, which revolves around flying to 10 mostly smaller destinations from Melbourne. Certainly, its decision not to service Sydney or Brisbane is looking flawed, while there must be some pretty nervous staff working in leisure ports such as Mackay, Rockhampton, Launceston and Alice Springs. The next six months may well determine whether the carrier has a long term future in this market. Whatever happens, Tiger needs to take responsibility for the outcome.

and this...

Tiger and Jetstar in battle of spin

Ben Sandilands writes:

Almost under the radar -- compared to the saturation coverage of Qantas -- a fierce little battle for incentives-to-fly is going on between Tiger and Jetstar. On Friday, Tiger announced it would quit Darwin only a few hours before Jetstar was heaping praise on the NT government, the airport and the local industry for its "support" in making the top end capital its new "hub" for northern Australia. Figures of around $3 million worth of "support" were mentioned by informed sources. It doesn’t matter what the amount was, as there is nothing improper or illegal in Australia in carriers leveraging all sorts of concessions or commitments to start or expand services.

Tiger did the same thing when it chose Rockhampton and Mackay as Queensland destinations, choices which may have been wrong given that it has stopped selling those flights from late October pending a review. Virgin Blue has used the same tactics in its expansion. It muscled in on the Qantaslink routes to Port Macquarie and Albury the same way, and today announced it would do the same thing in Mildura, using real jets instead of stuffy little turbo-prop buzz boxes like its competitors.

Tiger seems to have real problems in Australia. Since it launched last November it has been easily rolled out of any market Jetstar chooses, having been sent packing from Newcastle and now Darwin the moment the Qantas subsidiary became serious about extra flights and similar fares.But Tiger spokesperson Matt Hobbs claims this will all change soon, when it announces new but unspecified plans for the Singapore-owned venture.

In the meantime, both Tiger and Jetstar are misusing the term "hub" and "base" for what are only exercises in parking jets overnight for better scheduling, and paying for the cheapest accommodation they can get for the crews. The Darwin Jetstar "hub" involves three jets from the middle of next year. Tiger's new Adelaide base, where incentives may have been easy to pick up after Jetstar said it was closing its own, is where two Tiger jets will park. "Hub" in the real world means Changi, or Chicago’s O’Hare airport, with banks of hundreds of flights arriving, connecting and departing within a few hours.
Tiger even claims to have invested $105 million in aircraft assets in Adelaide. Really? No-one ever pays that much for a few small Airbuses, and they do fly all over the country.

Will the general media swallow the hype? Probably.

EXEK1996 5th Aug 2008 11:10

TO flyer 18-737
 
No they did not blab it out to me...she whispered romantically in my ear....yes I am sure.....

Metro man 7th Aug 2008 11:01

Audited profit figures out

Tiger Airways profit takes flight - Breaking News - Business - Breaking News

Tiger Airways profit takes flight


Budget carrier Tiger Airways said it had booked a net profit of $S37.8 million ($A30.1 million) in the financial year to March, despite higher oil prices and stiff competition.

The carrier said the earnings from its Singapore operations reversed a loss of $S14.3 million ($A11.3 million) in the previous fiscal year and met a pledge to be profitable within its third year of operation.

Tiger, 49 per cent owned by Singapore Airlines, said revenues rose 56 per cent to $S271 million ($A215 million). It said it had a cash balance of $S19.6 million ($A15.6 million).

The firm said operations from Singapore contributed the profits as its new Australian domestic service was still expanding.

"Even with the challenging market conditions and current oil prices we remain confident about the long-term success of both our Asian and Australian based airlines," said Tiger chief executive Tony Davis.

"We continue to see strong demand for our low fares and we are committed to continued growth as we expand our operations in both Australia and Singapore."

Tiger Airways did not give net profit figures for the fiscal first quarter to June, but said there was a 57.8 per cent increase in revenue, a 64.9 per cent rise in seat capacity and that passenger numbers climbed 73.7 per cent.

Davis said the airline was able to cope with higher fuel costs by hedging against price rises and maintaining disciplined cost control.

"Clearly oil has been a challenge for all airlines. But ... we're not seeing the impact that some other airlines are seeing in Europe and North America of reducing demand," Davis told reporters.

He said the firm was making sure it could cope with higher oil prices, but stood ready to take advantage of a correction in crude costs.

Oil prices were trading below $US120 a barrel after falling from all-time peaks above $US147 last month.

Tiger Airways connects Singapore with destinations in South-East Asia, China, Australia and India.

© 2008 AFP

flyer_18-737 9th Aug 2008 08:02

Mabye ADL crew would operate the MEL sectors leaving more room for MEL to expand.

Routes like ASP, MCY need more sectors..they are just overflowing

flyer_18-737 14th Aug 2008 00:32

Tiger pouncing on ADL
 
Seeing as there will be a fair bit of ADL announcements from TT soon, might as well put them all in one place

They have announced MEL-ADL now going 6 Daily from 15th December

A319's start services on 1st Feb while a new A320 comes to MEL mid December....

Aussie 14th Aug 2008 14:09

Any truth to the rumour that they are opening an Adel Base for Flight crew?

maryparlalis 15th Aug 2008 01:49

Aussie
 
Not a rumour .Will have an operational base by mid Jan 2009.

flyer_18-737 15th Aug 2008 02:50

Adelaide Hub flights are TT800 flight numbers while Melbourne Hub is TT500 flight numbers

TT800 numbers are operated by A319 aircraft...

Aussie Insider 15th Aug 2008 13:22

A little birdy also told me that they are taking over the old terminal.

flyer_18-737 16th Aug 2008 00:55

Im trying to find the old terminal on Google earth. Where abouts is the old terminal?

Aussie Insider 16th Aug 2008 02:16

It's the one on the western side of Richard Williams DriveCant miss it. It is the bit between the Qlink 717's are and where that NJS BAE is taxiing out. on google earth that is!

flyer_18-737 16th Aug 2008 02:53

I see it. Looks like a big terminal for Tiger, and theres plenty of room. What the terminal like itself, Do you guys have links to photos?, is it shabby?

apacau 16th Aug 2008 03:25


A little birdy also told me that they are taking over the old terminal
Another little birdy (who works for AAL) tells me you're wrong and suggests that the old terminal may be demolished...

But things may of course change...

Keg 16th Aug 2008 04:58


What the terminal like itself... is it shabby?
Yes. It was shabby two years before they moved out of it into the new terminal and they did nil work on it in those last two years. It's a dump.

Should be perfect for Tiger! :E

Aussie Insider 16th Aug 2008 08:04

Yes apacau a little birdy also told me that!Although a demolition is highly unlikely

sthaussiepilot 16th Aug 2008 09:25

Actually from what I herd from certian Adelaide Airport Lease managment people is that...

Alliance, Tiger, Air South, Jetcraft will all move into the old terminal, as the current General Aviation Terminal (across from the main terminal) is being demolished and turned into a hotel, soon-ish....

So old terminal will be come general aviation, Alliance and Tiger....

Should be good when they get all the rats, cobwebs, and dust everywhere...

Try and get a tour inside, you'll actually feel sicker after being in there, its quite bad they have let it get that that...


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